Fire Ninja vs Dino Knight (Kai vs Ryusoul Red)

[Minaaaa]

this is a literal spite post lmao.

 

[Robo432343]

nice argument

 

[Minaaaa]

but anyways, he dura neg still works. 5D ap =/= 5D dimensionality. Kai is 3D, it hits him. Saying tier 1 characters with no HDE would block any and all attacks, even ones that ignore durability (like soul, mind, fear, etc), would be a literal NLF lol. Even then, dura neg isnt his only wincon. Gravity + ice, Invisibility + ice, invisibility + sleep, burning him to death, etc

 

[Robo432343]

but anyways, he dura neg still works. 5D ap =/= 5D dimensionality. Kai is 3D, it hits him.

it won't work anymore because of my thread

if you disagree then go make a CRT

it does not matter if Kai is 3-D, he has 5-D dura
you are literally going against the site standards now

 

[Minaaaa]

Saying dura neg wont work because of higher durability when the whole point is to ignore durability its literal cope. tier 2 characters can be mind haxxed by tier 3s or lower if they have no resistance to it. I see no reason this wont apply to tier 1s, even when we have tier 1s losing to tier 2s because of dura negging hax.

 

[AigerTheKing]

but anyways, he dura neg still works. 5D ap =/= 5D dimensionality. Kai is 3D, it hits him. Saying tier 1 characters with no HDE would block any and all attacks, even ones that ignore durability (like soul, mind, fear, etc), would be a literal NLF lol. Even then, dura neg isnt his only wincon. Gravity + ice, Invisibility + ice, invisibility + sleep, burning him to death, etc

His only geniune wincoin is the black hole, everything else gets burned out of his way lol

 

[Minaaaa]

cant burn through absolute zero, gravity, invisibility, sleep, fire, getting blinded

 

[AigerTheKing]

cant burn through absolute zero, gravity, invisibility, sleep, fire, getting blinded

Absolute Zero's power null isn't going to work on higher AP, invisibility has no defense to the entire area getting bombed, Kai litterally resist Negation against Fire Resistance (and there's nothing stopping him from grabbing and reflecting the attack itself). Litterally most of Red's clips sent shows him starting physical in a fight, I don't see why he wouldn't do that, and SBA grants a character his standard equipements,

Equipment: Standard equipment.

Which include the Sword of Fire, so ye he can start by shooting Fire, that's in-character for him to do with the sword

 

[Minaaaa]

Absolute Zero's power null isn't going to work on higher AP, invisibility has no defense to the entire area getting bombed, Kai litterally resist Negation against Fire Resistance (and there's nothing stopping him from grabbing and reflecting the attack itself). Litterally most of Red's clips sent shows him starting physical in a fight, I don't see why he wouldn't do that, and SBA grants a character his standard equipements,

higher ap doesnt negate power null and doesnt stop him from getting frozen. invisibility would make kai not even know where hes at so he'd be shooting randomly. Kai only has resistance to 1000 degrees, ryusoul's is 2000 degrees and he'd get burned and turned to ash trying to grab it. Again, kai's flying so he wouldnt try this and would switch to using ryusouls. Nothing's stopping him from temporarily blinding and distracting him with a flash of light and freezing him

 

[AigerTheKing]

higher ap doesnt negate power null and doesnt stop him from getting frozen.

For the 3rd time, Kai resist power null and litterally negated it by raming throught the Vengestone Warriors while being covered in Elemental Power

Power Nullification (Unaffected by the Crystal Warriors, who are powered by Vengestone, a material that can negate and nullify Elemental Powers)

invisibility would make kai not even know where hes at so he'd be shooting randomly. Kai only has resistance to 1000 degrees, ryusoul's is 2000 degrees and he'd get burned and turned to ash trying to grab it.

Kai is just overpowering Ryu's fire blast like with Boreal. And again, he has access to the Sword of Fire

Again, kai's flying so he wouldnt try this and would switch to using ryusouls.

What does Kai flying change? it actually limits 99% of his wincoins lol

Nothing's stopping him from temporarily blinding and distracting him with a flash of light and freezing him

Why wouldn't Kai reply with a blast of his own as soon as the fight starts?

 

[Minaaaa]

For the 3rd time, Kai resist power null and litterally negated it by raming throught the Vengestone Warriors while being covered in Elemental Power

again, this doesnt stop him from getting frozen on an atomic level, he just wouldnt get affected by having his powers getting nulled by the ice

• Absolute Zero & Flight (HieHieSoul freezes enemies and allows them to fly. Pteradon's ice reaches absolute zero temperatures)

Kai is just overpowering Ryu's fire blast like with Boreal. And again, he has access to the Sword of Fire

Again, its hotter than what kai can take, he cant overpower it anyways since it would cover his fist in fire

What does Kai flying change? it actually limits 99% of his wincoins lol

easier time to dodge.

Why wouldn't Kai reply with a blast of his own as soon as the fight starts?

cuz he'd be shooting randomly if he gets blinded or if red goes invisible?

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Kai fra

 

[Minaaaa]

just remembered, i completly forgot about his time hax. How does kai deal with his attacks getting reversed

 

[Sdjlakjh]

just remembered, i completly forgot about his time hax. How does kai deal with his attacks getting reversed

Uh just attack again?

 

[Minaaaa]

He uses two abilities at the same time, he wouldnt have time to before another ability activates on him

 

[Shadowslash125]

Wait why is this a fight between a 2-C and a Low 1-C???
Isn't it like a stomp at this point?
Sorry but I'm taking my vote back and calling it stomps.

 

[Minaaaa]

wouldnt it only be a stomp if red has nothing to counter him

 

[Shadowslash125]

At that level of AP dura diff, Kai only needs to breathe in Red's direction before the latter crumbles into dust. Sure it's possible to go through with it, but it's very very unlikely.
Any way he can possibly damage Kai with such a difference? I did see dura neg being tossed around but it's split between it working and it not working. Otherwise yea he's not going to make it.

 

[Minaaaa]

Using PukaPukaSoul to inflate him, using NemuSoul to put him to sleep, Absolute Zero ice + black holes and his ability to fuse two ryusouls together

 

[Shadowslash125]

Hmmm
Might I suggest prior knowledge on the AP Dura difference for Ryusoul red only?
Maybe that would at least have him be more careful and stuff if you're keen on having this matchup.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Kai fra

Switching to Kai as well, 90% of Ryusoul's wincoins are counterable by range alone, and I really don't see how Kai can't touch him. The force produced by Kai's Fire blasts are enough to overpower his Absolute Zero (he lit needs a mech to use it), and Ryu often starts in H2H, further leading him to his death. I don't see how is dura neg isn't getting dodged, and what stops him for entering Spinjitzu and dodge everything

 

[Minaaaa]

1. They start 10m apart + their abilities regularly hit monsters who are tens of meters tall so he isnt getting outranged
2. kai cant overpower it since it freezes him on an atomic level
3. h2h wouldnt matter since kai's flying. He'd immediatly counter with a ryusoul, red has far more combat experience and skill
4. dura neg is both ranged and h2h and would hit through the spinjitzu

How does kai counter his fusing ability? how does he counter getting held down with gravity and frozen, going invisible and getting dura negged or his other combinations he can utilize?

 

[AigerTheKing]

kai cant overpower it since it freezes him on an atomic level

That's not how AP works, wtf?

1. h2h wouldnt matter since kai's flying. He'd immediatly counter with a ryusoul, red has far more combat experience and skill
2. dura neg is both ranged and h2h and would hit through the spinjitzu

Never understood the "Kai is flying" point. He has the sword of Fire per SBA, so he's going to shoot with it anyways

How does kai counter his fusing ability? how does he counter getting held down with gravity and frozen, going invisible and getting dura negged or his other combinations he can utilize?

I already replied to all of this. My vote stands

 

[Minaaaa]

That's not how AP works, wtf?

its a dura neg ability
Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks.

Never understood the "Kai is flying" point. He has the sword of Fire per SBA, so he's going to shoot with it anyways

ok?? hes still flying + still has abilities to counter it

 

[AigerTheKing]

its a dura neg ability
Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks.

Keywords: IGNORING CONVENTIONAL DEFENSES
It ignores dura, not AP

ok?? hes still flying + still has abilities to counter it

Changes nothing to my arguments

 

[Minaaaa]

Keywords: IGNORING CONVENTIONAL DEFENSES
It ignores dura, not AP

kai cant ap out of it cuz he'd shatter himself trying

 

[AigerTheKing]

kai cant ap out of it cuz he'd shatter himself trying

The blast isn't even reaching him because he's going to launch a fire attack at the same time

 

[AigerTheKing]

kai cant ap out of it cuz he'd shatter himself trying

Im talking about Kai doing this as Lloyd pointed out:

Kai does this and counters all of these factors

 

[Minaaaa]

Im talking about Kai doing this as Lloyd pointed out:

Oh mb. but he could do this. The ryusouls/mechs wouldnt need to come out

 

[AigerTheKing]

Oh mb. but he could do this. The ryusouls/mechs wouldnt need to come out

His attack speed is gonna be a massive issue for him