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Sounds like game mechanics.Kinda like using bolganone on Grimas back.
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Fire Emblem Speed Upgrades (Other than the GBA titles)
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Isn't the point of Grima that the only part of him the party could harm was the other Robin that became Grima
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Yeah,the final boss was a weakpoint.Not really sure how this is relevant,though.We aren't talking about downgrading Robin.
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Well, indoor long ranged magic is just to add a small bit of difficulty (and purely game mechanics, I doubt these castles actually have rooms that are unable to be entered just to have a mage spam bolting until he dies of old age)
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So....GBA Bolting is....Hypersonic? MHS? Relativistic? ftl? MFTL? or MFTL+?
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It depends on if it's actual cloud to ground lightning, which has never been shown
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Maybe you can get a clip of Bolting being dodged and request for it to be calced
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Now I am wondering, how would the rules for game mechanics apply to something like this? For example, if a character is shown to dodge a beam of light/Aureola shown in-game, would there be anything that could contradict that said feat?
Alternatively, if a character can dodge aureola, it would make sense for said characters to dodge things that are moving at slower speeds than it.
Alternatively, if a character can dodge aureola, it would make sense for said characters to dodge things that are moving at slower speeds than it.
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Well, Magic is dependant on the intelligence and mental capacity of each unit.
And every weapon user can move/fight at at speed as well.
So, by those rules, it is justified that as a unit gains experience, their attacks become faster.
But lore weapons are an exception to this rule, since their feats are determined by lore.
And every weapon user can move/fight at at speed as well.
So, by those rules, it is justified that as a unit gains experience, their attacks become faster.
But lore weapons are an exception to this rule, since their feats are determined by lore.
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@Lina
Well, first of all, it's magical light. Second, the game runs on an RNG system whether or not the troops dodge or not, which may be impacted by the user of said tome, so it may or may not be canon that troops would be able to dodge it (it has a base 90% hit rate before being modified by the user's skill, speed, and constitution stats). For example, a particularly bad wielder might miss against a random target, while a relatively good bowman can hit the same target with a much slower projectile. If no one has actually reacted to it, I don't think it should be counted.
It's depicted like this in the manga , coming out of clouds that appeared out of nowhere, so I'm not 100% sure if we should count it as actual light.
Well, first of all, it's magical light. Second, the game runs on an RNG system whether or not the troops dodge or not, which may be impacted by the user of said tome, so it may or may not be canon that troops would be able to dodge it (it has a base 90% hit rate before being modified by the user's skill, speed, and constitution stats). For example, a particularly bad wielder might miss against a random target, while a relatively good bowman can hit the same target with a much slower projectile. If no one has actually reacted to it, I don't think it should be counted.
It's depicted like this in the manga , coming out of clouds that appeared out of nowhere, so I'm not 100% sure if we should count it as actual light.
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Shouldnt we just upgrade everyone to hypersonic+ and be done eith it?
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Hypersonic+? This would only put them at Hypersonic
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@Miles
My main issue is the fact that it hasn't been canonically used against anything except massive dragons the size of buildings, who certainly don't dodge all that well.
I'd be willing to accept calcs for Bolting (which is uncommon but it has been used against the heroes before) and Meteor (which has also been used against the heroes), I feel that scaling from Aureola (which has never been used against the heroes) is faulty.
My main issue is the fact that it hasn't been canonically used against anything except massive dragons the size of buildings, who certainly don't dodge all that well.
I'd be willing to accept calcs for Bolting (which is uncommon but it has been used against the heroes before) and Meteor (which has also been used against the heroes), I feel that scaling from Aureola (which has never been used against the heroes) is faulty.
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We can use the calcs for bolting, and the meteor dodges. The bolting would use actual lightning speed for reference, correct?
@Reppuzan: Is the manga canon to the game? I thought the games have priority over the manga in terms of canonicity?
@Reppuzan: Is the manga canon to the game? I thought the games have priority over the manga in terms of canonicity?
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We're only using the manga for where the meteor comes from as it's never shown ingame
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@Lina
The games are obviously the main canon, but it's still likely to be a better illustration of what the tome is capable of since it's never directly used on screen. Furthermore, all of the manga tend to follow the main plot fairly closely.
The problem with Bolting is the fact that while it looks like cloud to ground Lightning, we never actually see where it's coming from and it can be cast indoors.
Meteor has a similar issue, but it may be alright.
The games are obviously the main canon, but it's still likely to be a better illustration of what the tome is capable of since it's never directly used on screen. Furthermore, all of the manga tend to follow the main plot fairly closely.
The problem with Bolting is the fact that while it looks like cloud to ground Lightning, we never actually see where it's coming from and it can be cast indoors.
Meteor has a similar issue, but it may be alright.
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@JustSomeWeirdo
That's an issue, since the distance meteor appears from is never specified and thus cannot be calced to help determine an answer.
In addition, the games don't offer a specific movement distance due to the way the sprites are animated (in the Swordsmaster's case, they just tip their head to the side).
That's an issue, since the distance meteor appears from is never specified and thus cannot be calced to help determine an answer.
In addition, the games don't offer a specific movement distance due to the way the sprites are animated (in the Swordsmaster's case, they just tip their head to the side).
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Well, how about we just use the fact that they dodge and call the dodging animations not what really happens
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But, we use the animation to show the time of the dodge instead, which is consistent as they're all right before impact
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Regarding the lighting, since the lightning itself comes from a cloud that is formed instead of it being fired straight away, there would be sufficient proof that the lightning itself is cloud-to-ground?
Perhaps the cloud being formed indoors could be just game mechanics, because the magic could be done outside as well?
Perhaps the cloud being formed indoors could be just game mechanics, because the magic could be done outside as well?
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Perhaps the indoor long ranged magic could go with what I said before, about how magic canonically doesn't attack regular defense, but magic resistance instead, perhaps buildings have no resistance, and magic can just pass through it (like how Knights have little to no resistance ingame, and the magic thing has been stated in game before)
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@Lina
Well, the picture I showed you before was of Aureola, the beam of light, not the lightning from Bolting.
That's true I suppose. Not sure who we would pixel scale from, given that they all of different dodging animations. Roy might be a safe bet though (he's in the picture from before).
Well, the picture I showed you before was of Aureola, the beam of light, not the lightning from Bolting.
That's true I suppose. Not sure who we would pixel scale from, given that they all of different dodging animations. Roy might be a safe bet though (he's in the picture from before).
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I guess Bolting will scale to people who don't scale to dodging Meteor (or whatever one is faster)
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So, if I understand correctly, everyone agrees so far?
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So...Please do make a summary for me.
Which upgrades are we considering here?
Which upgrades are we considering here?
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Meteor setting everything but GBA to Hypersonic until Bolting I'd calced
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So, pretty much hypersonic for everyone?
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Except for GBA characters since they don't exist in the same universes
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And Tellius as well, right?
Its okay, lets continue and calc that bolting later!
I agree with the upgrades for the Akaneian folks.
Its okay, lets continue and calc that bolting later!
I agree with the upgrades for the Akaneian folks.
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Tellius does get this upgrade
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There was meteor on Tellius as well?
Man, i have to play those games again someday.
Man, i have to play those games again someday.
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No, things aren't closed up yet.
We still need to provide a valid showing for Lina to pixel-scale so we can get a proper reading on the characters' speeds. The main issue is that Roy's height has never been officially stated. We could use the average height of a fifteen year old though (5'7 or 170.18 cm).
Unfortunately, Roy also dodges simply by ducking to the side, so it wouldn't be that useful either.
We still need to provide a valid showing for Lina to pixel-scale so we can get a proper reading on the characters' speeds. The main issue is that Roy's height has never been officially stated. We could use the average height of a fifteen year old though (5'7 or 170.18 cm).
Unfortunately, Roy also dodges simply by ducking to the side, so it wouldn't be that useful either.
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Well, Roy scales to his father, who dodges way more dramatically, with a horse.
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And, doesnt he have an alternatr animation as great Lord?
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W-well, Eliwood is comparable to Hector and Lyn, right?
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Why not just use the animation to time the dodge
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IIRC, Lyn is given an age
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Yeah,15 in the original Japanese 18 in English localization.
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