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Fire Emblem: Edelgard

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Seteth: "They are after Rhea... Professor, our situation is dire. If we do nothing, Fódlan will be destroyed by a rampaging Immaculate One and these "children" of hers. There is only one way to stop this. We... we must... Damn it! We have no choice but to kill the Immaculate One... to kill Rhea!"

ya but seteth was refering to SS immaculate one who is stronger then CF
 
Not that much weaker. And again, it was the VW IO that did the feat, not the SS version. Stop getting them all mixed up.

Also, no offence, but this is starting to get really knit picky. The power scaling really should be common sense; if a weaker version of IO can do the durability feat, and a character can fight toe to toe with a stronger form, they scale.
 
We've already seen the cutscene multiple times; Rhea still tanks multiple Javelins and lives to see another day. Plus, once again, that was a severly weakened Rhea in Verdant Wind, which the Crimson Flower version is her ready to fight.

I am well aware of the Silver Snow and Crimson Flower differences, but Edelgard still scales from her, case closed.
 
We're saying that she can tank hits from the Immaculate One and damage her with attacks, ergo she scales. That's how scaling works.
 
Her attacks are on a comparible level to the Javelin's of Light and is just as capable of killing the Immaculate One as the Javelins are.
 
And Immaculate One resists Anti-Dragon weapons. And besides, that's often considered game mechanics. Dragon slaying weapons aren't like Kryptonite, they're simply meant to kill dragons via being really strong. It's just a super strong axe meant to slay super strong Dragons. Even Javelins of Light are in the same boat.
 
The immaculate one while weakened tanked Javelins, and suffered more damage from Edelgard and Byleth, two of the 4 strongest other characters in the verse. Thus they scale

Their isn't a massive outlier or inconsistency that warrants why this is wrong

This is going in circles
 
again vw rhea died when hit. and SS wasnt weakened when she was hit because she recovered before the SS final battle.
 
Rhea was just as weakened when hit as she was in VW as she suffered under the exact same circumstances. If anything, Rhea going berserk in SS or not surviving in VW is an inconsistency.
 
And by your own standards, the fact that Rhea's hit as the IO in SS means she isn't weaker than CF IO.
 
Not at all. In fact we've stated that IO Rhea is stronger in CF (minus true form IO in SS) due to not being weakened from being held captive and likely having her blood messed with for 5 years.
 
also her being stated to be able to fell a demonic beast by herself shouldnt even be right. ferdinand said he heard it and he could be exageratting the story himself to one up her
 
Again, in Verdant Wind, she survives the first couple hits from the Javelins of Light. It's only the 4th one that brings her to the point of death. And that's not counting the fact that Rhea was already severely weakened due to illness; which she never had in either Silver Snow nor Crimson Flower. Yes, she is strongest in Silver Snow, but not overwhelmingly stronger than she was in Crimson Flower. But in both routes, the Immaculate One is a lot stronger than the Verdant Wind counter part which is the version with the feat.

And I agree with Schnee One that this is a circular argument, so we better wrap this up quick.
 
but he heard it. and storys change also


The Sword of the Creator supposedly once cleaved a mountain, and we know that it cut a hole out of whatever that black void was, possibly another dimension. Those feats makes the fact that Byleth damaged IO to be fairly believable, but that really doesn't tell us anything about how much Edelgard actually contributed to that fight.
 
Also, are we really going off topic to complain about Base Edelgard pre-timeskip now? Actually, Ferdinand was definitely not bluffing about how strong Edelgard is, Hubert himself also confirms that the rumors about Edelgard's strength is true. Not to mention, she is still the Flame Emperor, who is widely regarded as TWSitD's greatest creation. Implying that she is perhaps possibly above the Death Knight.

Death Knight is also evenly matched with Byleth in canon.
 
but with aymr We don't even know how strong the Sword of the Creator actually is. And Aymr being powered by one Crest Stone doesn't mean it's half the power of the Sword being powered by two crest stones. We don't know if the power of crest powered weapons is directly proportional to number of crests powering them. We don't know if it works that way. And Byleth doesn't use the Sword with two crest stones, he only uses it with one crest stone.
 
No one even brought up the number of crest stones. Like you keep going all over the damn place trying to cherrypick some irrelevant detail when ...
 
just bare with me here. please


Aymr has no feats that suggest is has even half the power of the Sword of the Creator, and needing two crest stones doesn't give us any idea of how strong it is at all because the stones themselves are inconsistent in terms of power.


he Sword of the Creator supposedly once cleaved a mountain, and we know that it cut a hole out of whatever that black void was, possibly another dimension. Those feats makes the fact that Byleth damaged IO to be fairly believable, but that really doesn't tell us anything about how much Edelgard actually contributed to that fight. she could have not even been needed
 
It doesn't matter if Aymr has its own feats, it scales to other Heroes relics via lore, and the other Heroes relics aren't that much weaker than the Sword of the Creator. Cleaving a mountain in half was also an extremely casual low end feat. And the crest stone arguments are. Also, in Crimson Flower, Edelgard was potrayed as being just as strong as Byleth in that route, and she also single handedly defeated Dimitri. She also bested Seiros who bested Nemesis before.
 
What does Edelgard being TwsitD's greatest creation have to do with the Death Knight exactly? The Death Knight wasn't made by them. And "greatest creation" doesn't mean she their strongest, they could simply be referring to the fact that they managed to recreate the Crest of Flames in her, or the fact that she's their most useful puppet.


Cleaving a mountain in half is not a casual low end feat. It's an unconfirmed rumor. The best feat of the SotC is from a rumor.

Edelgard doesn't fight Dimitri or Seiros 1v1.
 
Death Knight is in service to the Adrestian Empire, and it is Edelgard and not Death Knight who is looked up to as Those who Slither's most dominant MVP. Crest of Flames is also literally the strongest crest in canon.

It actually has been a proven fact after Claude did some more research on it, and they already scale from better feats such as the Javelins of Light.

She does depending on the player, but it's shown in the cutscene that she is the one who slaughters Dimitri in her own route. Edelgard is also the one who obtains her sword and shield upon victory.
 
The Death Knight works for the Flame Emperor. He has nothing to do with TWS. He gets loaned out to them for a few missions but he still isn't theirs.
 
You're going to need to cite your source on that one. for claude conferming the sword of the creator split a mountain in half

The cutscene shows Edelgard land the finishing blow against Dimitri?

that dosent mean it was a 1 0n 1

so again we dont even know if edelgard was even neededin that fight against IO
 
Can you stop quadruple posting? That is considered spam around her, simply the most recent post if no one responded, don't constantly bombard the thread. Anyway, it's already explained that what happens often varies on the player. But with emphases that it's typically the main protagonists that fought all the hard fights as well as Edelgard being Dimitri's primary rival.
 
so how does this prove edelgard was even a help to byleth in CF?


If you see three people moving a couch that doesn't mean that all three where needed to move it, it's very possible that only two were needed and the third is just making the job a bit easier.
And it's the same case here, we see them finish IO off together but that doesn't mean Byleth couldn't do it solo, for all we know Edelgard was just making that couch a bit easier to carry.
 
First of all, Byleth was not as strong in CF as he is in Silver Snow, and this can be shown by the fact that he lost his god form upon Immaculate One's defeat as he's more separated from the Goddess in that route. Edelgard was still keeping up with Byleth just as much and trading blows. If "Byleth didn't need Edelgard's help" the same thing could have been said that Edelgard could have won on her own. Edelgard was helping Byleth more than Claude was helping him against Nemesis for instance.
 
but the sword of creator is stronger then aymr so the same cant be said

and edelgard had the sword of seiros in SS not aymr and the sword of seiros can be considered stronger then aymr
 
Actually, Sword of Seiros has no proof of being stronger than the Heroe's relics, only that it has the strongest wielder. In fact, as a sword even that's below Sword of the Creator.
 
Im sorry for losing my temper earlier. But I would very well like to clear all this up and put an end to all this.

So just to clarify, when Rhea was hit with the Javelins of Light, she was already in a very weak state. Only afterwards in Silver Snow, did she go Beserk. She was not in her true beserk form, nor was she at full health when she tanked them. Despite this, she could still tank point blank Javelins of Light. This means that a full power immaculate one from Crimson Flower (That isn't beserk) should be far more powerful than the one that tanked the javelins of light. You could also argue that the Beserk Immaculate one is actually more of a glass canon due to being near death prior to the transformation.

The crest stones should be at least half the strength of the lowball estimate of the Javelins of Light. One of the things that support this is the fact that resseructed Nemesis with the Dark Creator Sword (Which was powered by 2 ordinary crest stones) was able to fight toe to toe with Sothis-Fused Byleth, who had the Sublime Sword of the Creator. (Which was powered by the Crest stone of flames).

Now, we are not saying that Edelgard, or any of the other lords are more powerful than Byleth, since thats clearly not the case. However, they are still comparable in strength. Yes, Aymr is weaker than the Sublime Sword of the Creator. Despite this, we can clearly see Byleth and Edelgard fighting on multiple occasions. (Once at the monastery right after the timeskip in silver snow, arguably at gronder field, and at the imperial palace.) Even with a weaker weapon, Edelgard has shown to be somewhat comparable to Byleth.

Pre-Timeskip Edelgard fighting a Demonic Beast all on her one is pretty uncontroversial, as she does have Dual Crests, one of which is the strongest crest in the game. Not only that, she should be on par, if not superior to the likes of Claude and Dimitri who can effortlessly one shot several Imperial Soldiers. Of course, I'm not saying these soldiers are as powerful as a crest stone, but still strengthens my argument that its not controversial, nor an outlier for Edelgard to be able to do that.

I mean we can even see this in the opening cutscene of the game, where Seiros is able to fight and kill Nemesis. For context, Seiros had the Sword of Seiros, and Nemesis had the Sublime Sword of the Creator. Sacred weapons are implied to be weaker than the Heroes Relics, but are still comparable in strength, as implied by Linhardt here. The weapon you are using does matter, but not as much as the person behind it. I mean we can see Kirby, who with a literal baseball bat send a meteor flying thousands of light years away in seconds.

Edelgard definitely pulled her weight in the fight against the Immaculate one, as we can clearly see in the final cutscene of Silver Snow, in which the two are fighting against the Immaculate one. They are the ones that land the final blow as well.

As for cutting the mountain in half, its stated by Claude here and here. On the second link, Claude implies that even a regular relic could do the same. Claude is a reliable source for this, as he does a lot of digging around wanting to find the truth about things. We can see this when he managed to snatch a picture of the immaculate one before Seteth confiscated it.

I hope this clears up any remaining questions you have
 
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