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I was going to move on to other series that need to be worked on, but while doing edits, this seemed necessary, should be the last CRT until the next volumes comes out in 2 or 3 years
Magic and Magicika are conceptual, with magic being a result of mages appealing to the Elements which encompasses and makes up everything in the world, while existing outside it in the Astral Plane, which has been accepted as being 1-A. Magic is limited to 1 system/law which is the The Elements, Magicka isn't. Now this doesn't mean every single magic/magicka spell is 1-A, getting power from a 1-A source doesn't mean something is itself 1-A.
While re-looking at things; it's stated that Apparitions aren't affected by regular magicka (Volume 6, Chapter 3), and magicka obviously can interact with magicka, which is conceptual, so this suggests Apparitions are harder to affect than normal concepts. Apparitions are stated to be conceptual existences (Volume 6, Prologue), and also a law of the world (Volume 1, Chapter 4) which accelerates the end of the world (Volume 1, Chapter 4).
In the "Worlds Reject Anything Without a Bond to Themselves" section of the cosmology page, it's stated how the larger concept known as the world rejects abnormalities within itself, which this is also how the Elements were described, as a wide concept which envelops the world while existing outside of it. So when it says Apparitions are a law of the "world", I believe the world being defined here is the wide concept which exists in the Astral Plane.
Rank Disparity Extinction is another law of the world/mystical law, it applies across multiple worlds, and is capable of nullifying dark magic, which draws out the resentment mixed in the wider concept of the Elements. Apparitions have also shown up across multiple worlds, and it's stated only a swordmaster or magician can deal with them (Volume 6, Chapter 3), despite the fact mages exist like Liliana who can use dark magic. In fact Suimei even asks Liliana to fall back because her magic would be ineffective against the Apparitions (Volume 6, Chapter 3).
Liliana has a layer of 1-A hax which includes concept manipulation, with dark magic because her dark magic works on magicians like Suimei who have resistances to dark magic, and yet even that layered conceptual magic would be ineffective against Apparitions. Unless I am misinterpreting something, this would make Apparitions as conceptual beings like 2 layers? Even if we just say for example they had like 1 layer of resistance to concept manipulation everyone who can destroy them would still have 2 layers 1-A concept manipulation. Someone can correct me if I am wrong about these layers.
Hatsumi has concept manipulation because her sword style is stated to be effective against Apparitions, however she hasn't learned everything there is to know about her sword style, she is still learning new techniques in volume 9/10. And its directed stated that Hatsumi can't kill the Apparitions back in volume 6
The only people who would scale to the destruction of Apparitions are Suimei and Hydemary, but it's not like every single magicka they use would be layers of concept manipulation, the last scan I posted just says Suimei used "brilliant magicka" to kill a few of them, so vague what he used but it wasn't normal stuff, and he completely wiped all the Apparitions around using Enth Astarle (Volume 6, Chapter 3), and in Volume 1 he used Azure Engraved Beheading, so this would only apply to the more powerful stuff magicians can do.
Also Rajas, and Eanru have survived these attacks from Suimei, so their resistances will scale.
Suimei was worried about RDE when facing higher ranking magicians than himself, he downplays himself a lot, so there aren't actually a lot of people above him. As far as I know a spell like Enth Astrale or Blessed Blade has never been nullified by RDE, and the main cast is fine around Lefille who has 1 layer of RDE.
RDE is dependent on the grade of a magic/person, so Suimei and Hydemary's grand class magicka being more powerful, would certainly have a higher RDE than say Liliana's dark magic, and thus would nullify it, so Suimei and Hydemary using grand class magcika would have 1 layer of 1-A power null.
I have a whole section in the cosmology page about RDE, and what I basically concluded was that in verse RDE is mostly not a passive thing. It only happens when high ranking magic is used like Suimei Enth Astarle, but there are exceptions such as Lefille who has automatic RDE due to her power/existence being a higher grade than others. Magicians using their mana furnace also fall under that same logic because they become "higher order existences" when using it, thus the grade of magic they use is higher.
Everyone who uses magic in verse, has mystical laws as apart of their being (Volume 9, Chapter 1), obviously this includes RDE, so the law of RDE is that a higher ranking magic will always cause a lower ranking magic to go extinct, be nullified, how exactly does this work in a vs match? Both sides aren't operating under the laws, RDE as I have already gone over is something which operates across multiple worlds and shuts down 1-A stuff, so would lets say Goku have all his ki automatically shut down when faced with Base Suimei? Or do we go by Mahou's logic, where it's not an instant thing, despite the fact that Goku doesn't have these mystical 1-A laws as apart of his very being, and thus should be consider a lower grade, and automatically nullified...
Not sure, looking for opinions there.
In the body section, I explained how the body is made of the physical body, the astral body, which contains the soul and consciousness, and the ethereal body which is the fundamental aspect of a person.
Suimei was able to fully reconstruct himself after his physical body was destroyed, using his ethereal and astral body (Volume 10, Epilogue), so memories have to be in one of those. If the Ethereal body is the blueprint for the physical body, memories I believe have to be in the astral body.
So what does this change? People who can damage the astral body should have memory manipulation, and people who can resist that, should have resistance to memory manipulation.
Emotions I suppose would also be in the astral body, its interesting how dark magic uses the emotions in the Elements to directly do damage to the astral body, but everyone who can use or resist dark magic has empathetic manipulation or resistance to it, but demons who are just stated to do damage to the astral body, should also get empathetic manipulation.
Killing Apparitions Should Give 1-A Concept Hax
Magic and Magicika are conceptual, with magic being a result of mages appealing to the Elements which encompasses and makes up everything in the world, while existing outside it in the Astral Plane, which has been accepted as being 1-A. Magic is limited to 1 system/law which is the The Elements, Magicka isn't. Now this doesn't mean every single magic/magicka spell is 1-A, getting power from a 1-A source doesn't mean something is itself 1-A.
While re-looking at things; it's stated that Apparitions aren't affected by regular magicka (Volume 6, Chapter 3), and magicka obviously can interact with magicka, which is conceptual, so this suggests Apparitions are harder to affect than normal concepts. Apparitions are stated to be conceptual existences (Volume 6, Prologue), and also a law of the world (Volume 1, Chapter 4) which accelerates the end of the world (Volume 1, Chapter 4).
In the "Worlds Reject Anything Without a Bond to Themselves" section of the cosmology page, it's stated how the larger concept known as the world rejects abnormalities within itself, which this is also how the Elements were described, as a wide concept which envelops the world while existing outside of it. So when it says Apparitions are a law of the "world", I believe the world being defined here is the wide concept which exists in the Astral Plane.
Rank Disparity Extinction is another law of the world/mystical law, it applies across multiple worlds, and is capable of nullifying dark magic, which draws out the resentment mixed in the wider concept of the Elements. Apparitions have also shown up across multiple worlds, and it's stated only a swordmaster or magician can deal with them (Volume 6, Chapter 3), despite the fact mages exist like Liliana who can use dark magic. In fact Suimei even asks Liliana to fall back because her magic would be ineffective against the Apparitions (Volume 6, Chapter 3).
Liliana has a layer of 1-A hax which includes concept manipulation, with dark magic because her dark magic works on magicians like Suimei who have resistances to dark magic, and yet even that layered conceptual magic would be ineffective against Apparitions. Unless I am misinterpreting something, this would make Apparitions as conceptual beings like 2 layers? Even if we just say for example they had like 1 layer of resistance to concept manipulation everyone who can destroy them would still have 2 layers 1-A concept manipulation. Someone can correct me if I am wrong about these layers.
Remove Concept Manipulation From Hatsumi
Hatsumi has concept manipulation because her sword style is stated to be effective against Apparitions, however she hasn't learned everything there is to know about her sword style, she is still learning new techniques in volume 9/10. And its directed stated that Hatsumi can't kill the Apparitions back in volume 6
Clarifying on Suimei and Hydemary's Concept Manipulation
The only people who would scale to the destruction of Apparitions are Suimei and Hydemary, but it's not like every single magicka they use would be layers of concept manipulation, the last scan I posted just says Suimei used "brilliant magicka" to kill a few of them, so vague what he used but it wasn't normal stuff, and he completely wiped all the Apparitions around using Enth Astarle (Volume 6, Chapter 3), and in Volume 1 he used Azure Engraved Beheading, so this would only apply to the more powerful stuff magicians can do.
Also Rajas, and Eanru have survived these attacks from Suimei, so their resistances will scale.
How Does This Change the Layers for RDE
Suimei was worried about RDE when facing higher ranking magicians than himself, he downplays himself a lot, so there aren't actually a lot of people above him. As far as I know a spell like Enth Astrale or Blessed Blade has never been nullified by RDE, and the main cast is fine around Lefille who has 1 layer of RDE.
RDE is dependent on the grade of a magic/person, so Suimei and Hydemary's grand class magicka being more powerful, would certainly have a higher RDE than say Liliana's dark magic, and thus would nullify it, so Suimei and Hydemary using grand class magcika would have 1 layer of 1-A power null.
What to Do About RDE in VS Matches
I have a whole section in the cosmology page about RDE, and what I basically concluded was that in verse RDE is mostly not a passive thing. It only happens when high ranking magic is used like Suimei Enth Astarle, but there are exceptions such as Lefille who has automatic RDE due to her power/existence being a higher grade than others. Magicians using their mana furnace also fall under that same logic because they become "higher order existences" when using it, thus the grade of magic they use is higher.
Everyone who uses magic in verse, has mystical laws as apart of their being (Volume 9, Chapter 1), obviously this includes RDE, so the law of RDE is that a higher ranking magic will always cause a lower ranking magic to go extinct, be nullified, how exactly does this work in a vs match? Both sides aren't operating under the laws, RDE as I have already gone over is something which operates across multiple worlds and shuts down 1-A stuff, so would lets say Goku have all his ki automatically shut down when faced with Base Suimei? Or do we go by Mahou's logic, where it's not an instant thing, despite the fact that Goku doesn't have these mystical 1-A laws as apart of his very being, and thus should be consider a lower grade, and automatically nullified...
Not sure, looking for opinions there.
Memories Are Apart of the Astral Body
In the body section, I explained how the body is made of the physical body, the astral body, which contains the soul and consciousness, and the ethereal body which is the fundamental aspect of a person.
Suimei was able to fully reconstruct himself after his physical body was destroyed, using his ethereal and astral body (Volume 10, Epilogue), so memories have to be in one of those. If the Ethereal body is the blueprint for the physical body, memories I believe have to be in the astral body.
So what does this change? People who can damage the astral body should have memory manipulation, and people who can resist that, should have resistance to memory manipulation.
Emotions I suppose would also be in the astral body, its interesting how dark magic uses the emotions in the Elements to directly do damage to the astral body, but everyone who can use or resist dark magic has empathetic manipulation or resistance to it, but demons who are just stated to do damage to the astral body, should also get empathetic manipulation.
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