Esdeath vs Lucario

[The_real_cal_howard]

Considering how "vs Suicune" came out pretty bunk, I'll do this instead. Speed equalized. Base Lucario. Low end Esdeath. They both realize the other's heartless killing style, and decide to engage in mortal combat. Assume this is the Lucario from the movie. Banned move is banned.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well Esdeath's Time Stop likely won't work here....I dunno enough about Esdeath so I'll wait for more opinions.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Much of Esdeath's arsenal is based on ice attacks so I will vote for Lucario because of his resistance to ice-based attacks, in addition Lucario seems more versatile.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Another Esdeath thread.....(Sighs).....

Anyway, ice resistance alone seals the deal, combine it with his variety and this is yet another match Esdeath can't win.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

I'm pretty sure Lucario's typing alone grants him Ice Resistance, so gg, no time stop. Esdeath has the worst kind of time-stop, ever. Some simple cold resistance can render it pretty much useless. Shitty time-stop is shitty.

Lucario's typing also gives him significant resistance to Ice already. A melee battle can be quickly decided with Aura sensing, Force Palm, Metal Claw, Power-up Punch and Counter. If it's a long-range fight, Aura Sphere + Flash Cannon can seal the deal.

But what do you mean by banned moves? Moves that can only be learned by TM/ HM/ Tutoring?

Matches with Esdeath are becoming more and more predictable and easy, given how bad her time-stop is o3o

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

By banned move, I meant Ice Storm Commander in Chief

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

No Esdeath match has ever used it, considering how bad it is o3o. Esdeath's gonna be the new Saitama at this rate

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Lol. Poor Esdeath. Such a powerful force in her verse, yet gets consistently defeated...

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Anybody with decent ice resistance or strong fire can defeat her, and since people won't stop putting her against said opponents she has no way to win, yet when you put said opponents against the likes of Akame or Tatsumi the results tend to be much better with more results in Akame's favor.

Ice resistant characters>Esdeath>Akame>=Tatsumi>Ice resistant opponents.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Mostly because her time-stop is ice-based rather than time-based unlike most cases, so you don't even need Time manipulation resistance to bypass time-stop. Maybe future vs threads should limit her time stop so we can have more decent fights

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Then she loses even more.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

not really. You can clearly see that she's the most commonly used Ice user for vs threads in this wiki, solely because Time Stop. Putting her against foes without cold resistance tends to become stomp in her favor because Time Stop. Take it away and she's your average Ice user who throws ice at the opponent, and won't even be used that much

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Rias vs Esdeath is one idea.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

yeah, but let's not derail this. I count 3 votes for Lucario already.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Dat Power of Destruction hax though.

Oops, never mind.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Looking back at Ice Storm Commander in Chief, does that move really make a difference? It requires prep time and only alters the environment in a way that grants Esdeath the advantage of replenishing her power constantly. If she never fired that move straight at someone for destructive power IN CANON, why would we assume that she would in a hypothetical crossover fight? Does it really need to be banned?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

• Shrugs

 

[Gargoyle_1]

It requires prep time which is banned, as simple as that really.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

... I was not expecting that reason. But hey, why not allow it? Esdeath is far from invincible within the storm. Maybe that can allow her to last longer against Lucario.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

She gets prep time and Lucario doesn't?

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Do Pokémon even use prep?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, exceptionally smart ones like Lucario, Anime Pikachu, and Mewtwo do.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Yes, that's literally all they do during tournaments, study their opponents before the fight.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

So basically, if both have prep, Esdeath still loses o3o

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump (assuming not a stomp)