Equal Stats Tournament: Match 4 (Saiki K VS Director Phobos)

[Knifeman29]

Tourney Thread

Spoiler: Story

Someone else make a story I got nunin. I Never watched Saiki K

Saiki K vs Director Phobos

Fight Takes Place In Hanamura

Esper VS God Emperor

Saiki K:

Director Phobos:

 

[Edutyn]

MindHax should help, also Saiki can evade attacks with teleportation. Or use pretification.
I don't know how Director Phobos fights, so I would like to wait for those with more knowledge to debate.

 

[ShionAH]

Probably Saiki.

 

[Comiphorous]

Phobos is cocky, pretty cocky but he has the skill to back it up. by the profile, it looks like Phobos hella outskills rn

MindHax should help, also Saiki can evade attacks with teleportation. Or use pretification.
I don't know how Director Phobos fights, so I would like to wait for those with more knowledge to debate.

Phobos can easily fight and overpower people who can instinctively dodge his attack, so he can likely easily overwhelm Saiki even if they try dodging his attacks.

Phobos does resist matter manipulation so pretty sure pretrification is useless here.

 

[ShionAH]

Phobos is cocky, pretty cocky but he has the skill to back it up. by the profile, it looks like Phobos hella outskills rn

Phobos can easily fight and overpower people who can instinctively dodge his attack, so he can likely easily overwhelm Saiki even if they try dodging his attacks.

Phobos does resist matter manipulation so pretty sure pretrification is useless here.

Saiki has passive telephathy so he will know what Phobos will do. What can Phobos really do about Mind control, telekinesis and a lot more? Teleportation and Memory manipulation?

 

[Comiphorous]

Saiki has passive telephathy so he will know what Phobos will do. What can Phobos really do about Mind control, telekinesis and a lot more? Teleportation and Memory manipulation?

Passive telepathy? it doesn't say that on his page, nor does it imply it's passive.

before jumping to what he can do it actually counter Saiki's 2 billion hax, what does he actually start with? because it's hard to believe he'll start with using all his hax at once.

 

[ShionAH]

Passive telepathy? it doesn't say that on his page, nor does it imply it's passive.

Why would I lie to you lol?

For example here after he lost his powers they came back and he was able to hear his friends that are literally kilometers away without even needing to activate it, he also says it is passive in the series

before jumping to what he can do it actually counter Saiki's 2 billion hax, what does he actually start with? because it's hard to believe he'll start with using all his hax at once.

Saiki will see his mind passively and learn what he is planning and etc. Then he will carefully choose the best ability that suits this situation

 

[Comiphorous]

Why would I lie to you lol?

For example here after he lost his powers they came back and he was able to hear his friends that are literally kilometers away without even needing to activate it, he also says it is passive in the series

Certified VSBattles page moment.

Saiki will see his mind passively and learn what he is planning and etc. Then he will carefully choose the best ability that suits this situation

Phobos' first move is shooting, and closing the distance for CQC. If Saiki decides to go with petrification, mind manipulation or Fear Manipulation it's not gonna work on him (in fear manipulation's case, it'd make him stronger than Saiki)

Some of his hax seem pretty useless in this situation, like his memory manipulation and precognition. so his actual options to instantly incapacitate Phobos before he goes and tries to CQC Saiki are limited.

 

[ShionAH]

Phobos' first move is shooting, and closing the distance for CQC. If Saiki decides to go with petrification, mind manipulation or Fear Manipulation it's not gonna work on him (in fear manipulation's case, it'd make him stronger than Saiki)

Some of his hax seem pretty useless in this situation, like his memory manipulation and precognition. so his actual options to instantly incapacitate Phobos before he goes and tries to CQC Saiki are limited.

Some help for you.

Petrification works with him simply staring without his glasses, Mind hax is thought based
He also has his RW that might help him

• Can change others sense of humor, can make them mentally like a child
• The power to evaporate just enough water from a living creatures body to put them at the brink of death
• He cursed a guy who wanted to rob him

List of the things he can use

 

[Comiphorous]

Petrification works with him simply staring without his glasses

How it's used doesn't change the fact that on the petrification page it clearly states if you resist matter manipulation you can resist petrification.

Mind hax is thought based He also has his RW that might help him

doesn't really matter considering he resists mind manipulation based madness

• Can change others sense of humor, can make them mentally like a child
• The power to evaporate just enough water from a living creatures body to put them at the brink of death
• He cursed a guy who wanted to rob him

Two of the three of those are batshit useless, considering the sense of humor thing is covered by his fabled mind manipulation based madness resistance and the curse took 3 months to make a robber start bleeding.

 

[ShionAH]

How it's used doesn't change the fact that on the petrification page it clearly states if you resist matter manipulation you can resist petrification.

I was just saying-

doesn't really matter considering he resists mind manipulation based madness

Saikis mind manipulations potency is 8 billion so it is probably enough to say it overtakes a resistance to madness

and the curse took 3 months to make a robber start bleeding.

He cna probably make it faster though anyways what about the dura neg? or the Rw?

 

[Comiphorous]

Saikis mind manipulations potency is 8 billion so it is probably enough to say it overtakes a resistance to madness

8 billion...? 8 billion what?

He cna probably make it faster though anyways what about the dura neg? or the Rw?

if he hasn't showcased ever being able to do that, he won't.

he's in his first key though...? (atleast, thats where the link to his page brings me to believe) he doesn't have dura neg in this key. OP should specify the keys.

 

[ShionAH]

8 billion...? 8 billion what?

People potency

if he hasn't showcased ever being able to do that, he won't.

True Ig

he's in his first key though...? (atleast, thats where the link to his page brings me to believe) he doesn't have dura neg in this key. OP should specify the keys.

Thats not how it works. Not specified means he is in his strongest key (No limiters) plus he has shown to take his limiters off when needed so.

 

[Comiphorous]

People potency

that doesn't really mean anything... you need to show you can bypass layers of resistance to do effect someone with a resistance. beign able to effect 9 billion people doesn't mean you can effect someone who resists the ability.

Thats not how it works. Not specified means he is in his strongest key (No limiters) plus he has shown to take his limiters off when needed so.

so, then what stops phobos from dura negging Saiki on the spot? he's made of S-3LF energy, has type 9 immortality, and can bully Saiki with hax he doesn't resist.

reading phobos' mind doesn't help him with AOE, tracking and danmaku attacks.

 

[ShionAH]

that doesn't really mean anything... you need to show you can bypass layers of resistance to do effect someone with a resistance. beign able to effect 9 billion people doesn't mean you can effect someone who resists the ability.

Resisting madness manipulation also does not mean you resist mind manipulation iirc.

so, then what stops phobos from dura negging Saiki on the spot? he's made of S-3LF energy, has type 9 immortality, and can bully Saiki with hax he doesn't resist.

reading phobos' mind doesn't help him with AOE, tracking and danmaku attacks.

Teleportation and Invisibility can help. Rw can help.

 

[Edutyn]

In this key, Saiki does not have to wait between teleports and his telepathic range is planet-wide.

 

[Comiphorous]

Resisting madness manipulation also does not mean you resist mind manipulation iirc.

If your resisting madness manipulation caused by mind manipulation then yes it does.

Teleportation and Invisibility can help. Rw can help.

Has saiki ever dealt with danmaku and homing attacks? if not i can't say that's gonna keep him in the fight forever.

he still has his type 9 that exists. even if saiki kills phobos' projection, he'll just reappear from the other place to try and kill him again.

 

[Edutyn]

Another effect of Saiki's RW is that his mind works faster in important situations, and Saiki has duplication so he can create clones to help him.

In addition, Saiki can turn back the time of the same object up to 7 years in the same object three times in one day, he also has Time Travel.

 

[ShionAH]

If your resisting madness manipulation caused by mind manipulation then yes it does.

You need extra context about how they resisted it because of mind stuff

Has saiki ever dealt with danmaku and homing attacks? if not i can't say that's gonna keep him in the fight forever.

Yes. His daily training is breaking a rock into like a bilion pieces and then trying to catch them all without getting hit

he still has his type 9 that exists. even if saiki kills phobos' projection, he'll just reappear from the other place to try and kill him again.

Saiki incaps mostly anyway

 

[BoastJr]

yeah voting saiki for reasons above

 

[Comiphorous]

Another effect of Saiki's RW is that his mind works faster in important situations, and Saiki has duplication so he can create clones to help him.

In addition, Saiki can turn back the time of the same object up to 7 years in the same object three times in one day, he also has Time Travel.

none of that helps with type 9. he's been dead for a lot longer than 7 years iirc.

You need extra context about how they resisted it because of mind stuff

Yes. His daily training is breaking a rock into like a bilion pieces and then trying to catch them all without getting hit

Saiki incaps mostly anyway

Phobos just walked off, and was not effected by radiation making people go insane.

that and dodging danmaku is a lot different. i suppose it helps in some way though.

He's going to incap someone who can reform his own body with a single thought? i'd like to see how he's able to do that. he isn't going to be able to physically attack phobos considering his passive forcefields.

 

[ShionAH]

Phobos just walked off, and was not effected by radiation making people go insane.

So thats only resistance to madness.

that and dodging danmaku is a lot different.

Not really. Its tons of projectiles all at once falling on you

He's going to incap someone who can reform his own body with a single thought? i'd like to see how he's able to do that.

By mind haxing him.

 

[Comiphorous]

So thats only resistance to madness.

type 2 madness manipulation, which is mind manipulation.

By mind haxing him.

If only he didn't resist type 2 madness manipulation which is mind manipulation.

edit: hold up lemme check if it goes both ways, as it does let people with mind manipulation resistance to resist that.

 

[ShionAH]

type 2 madness manipulation, which is mind manipulation.

If only he didn't resist type 2 madness manipulation which is mind manipulation.

Resisting Madness Manipulation /=/ Resisting Mind Manipulation

Resisting time stop wouldnt give resistance to time manipulation for example. Resisting mind manipulation would give resistance to madness but the otherway around is not possible, resisting petrification does not mean you resist transmutation but resisting the bigger hax (transmutation) does give resistance to the smaller hax (petrification)

Mind Hax > Madness Hax

 

[ShionAH]

Resisting fear manipulation does not mean you resist empathic manipulation for example.

 

[Edutyn]

Saiki dealt with an alternate version of himself who was spamming teleportation.

 

[ShionAH]

Saiki dealt with an alternate version of himself who was spamming teleportation.

Btw the 2 matches saiki was in can actually be added iirc so dont forget them

 

[Edutyn]

Btw the 2 matches saiki was in can actually be added iirc so dont forget them

The match against Mahito and which other one?

 

[ShionAH]

The match against Mahito and which other one?

This one lol

 

[Comiphorous]

Resisting time stop wouldnt give resistance to time manipulation for example.

depending on the context, resisting time stop can actually give you a resistance to time manipulation too.

Resisting Madness Manipulation /=/ Resisting Mind Manipulation

literally on the madness manipulation page.

2: Mind Manipulation: Users of this type rely upon directly interacting with the minds of their victims, utilizing various forms of mental attacks to drive them insane.

madness manipulation type 2 is literally mind manipulation.

 

[ShionAH]

depending on the context, resisting time stop can actually give you a resistance to time manipulation too.

Yes.

literally on the madness manipulation page.


:| madness manipulation type 2 is literally mind manipulation.

Madness manipulation is a subset for mind manipulation. Resisting it makes it so you cannot be turned mad but it does not mean you cannot be mind controlled. Its very simple

 

[Edutyn]

This one lol

I don't know if it is possible to add stats equal matches in the profiles.

 

[Comiphorous]

Madness manipulation is a subset for mind manipulation. Resisting it makes it so you cannot be turned mad but it does not mean you cannot be mind controlled. Its very simple

honestly, considering the fact everyone who can trade blows with protagonists have feats of supernatural willpower he should resist it anyway, but i'll add that some day.

 

[ShionAH]

I don't know if it is possible to add stats equal matches in the profiles.

Didnt even realize that

honestly, considering the fact everyone who can trade blows with protagonists have feats of supernatural willpower he should resist it anyway, but i'll add that some day.

First check my william crt