EldemadeDityjon
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I have two things to address this
Agree: @Dereck03 (Admin), @DarkDragonMedeus (Admin), @Elizhaa (Admin)
Neutral:
Disagree:
- Common Abilities for Shadow Garden Members
- New scaling chain and Updating the current AP & Durability. I'm going with Freiren Characters approach where Physical sts is Seperated with magic.
Cid / Shadow
I'm placing 9-A for Alpha and Elisabeth because I think they are at peak when comes to superhuman tier even without magic looking at their feats with magic is compared to 7-C and above. But I'm fine with just scaling to 9-C if everyone wants them to be on 9-C.
Alpha
Elisabeth
Others
No. 711 is the weakest of the Shadow Garden members and she is still superior to Akane who can do this. Hence all Shadow Garden members should be upgraded from that.
Pre Awakened Rose and Alexia should be 10-A physically, 9-A with Magic. Reason is simple they don't have any feats for their physical capabilities.
Also Alexia post training key shouldn't scale to Rose. Rose Overpowered her and defeated Alexia with less difficulty. That scaling should be removed instead just list it as stronger than before and scale her to her previous self.
- He stands above all in the verse and currently no one has harmed him when he is in top condition except Alpha. No one scales to him except downscaling Alpha and Elisabeth during Red Moon.
Magic Energy used on Body > Energy Exerted outside when comes to Cid so his Cloud Clearing feat should directly scale to his durability.We can use magic in this world to strengthen our bodies and weapons, but there are energy losses when it’s transferred from one form to another. For example, if I run one hundred currents of magic through an average steel sword, only 10 percent of them will be of use in combat. A whopping 90 percent is lost. Even a mithril sword, which is known to be compatible with magic. It’s considered high-end if it performs at 50 percent capacity.
That’s when slimes caught my eye. A slime is a magical being that uses energy to change form and wobble from place to place. According to my research, I’ve found they have a conductivity of an astonishing 99 percent. On top of that, they’re in a liquid state, which means they can change their shape at will.
I'm placing 9-A for Alpha and Elisabeth because I think they are at peak when comes to superhuman tier even without magic looking at their feats with magic is compared to 7-C and above. But I'm fine with just scaling to 9-C if everyone wants them to be on 9-C.
Alpha
- Stands on top of Shadow Garden only second to Shadow. In support to this claim. Deltas animalistic instincts only obeys orders from superior beings who are stronger than her which has only happened in the series so far against Alpha and Shadow. She was able damage Shadow.
John Smith whirls around and tries to dodge with the smallest movements possible.
Just like always.
“—?!”
A thin wound carves its way across John Smith’s cheek.
Without any warning, the dark crimson blade extends.
Alpha vanishes, and the red mist blankets their surroundings once more.
Another slice flies out of the mist.
It tears John Smith’s suit, lightly splattering his shirt with blood.
By the time he’s ready to strike back with his wires, Alpha’s body has already transformed back into fog.
An instant later, she attacks him again from behind.
The speed at which she emerges from the mist and the speed she turns back into it are both incredible.
Her one-sided attacks seem to defy the concept of space, and her unfair defense bends the laws of physics.
She vanishes, then appears.
Appears, then vanishes.
The slashes bear down on John Smith without pause, and his suit is ripped to shreds. By manipulating his wires and relying on three-dimensional movement, he’s able to avoid suffering any lethal wounds.
However, the fact that he uses wires to keep his distance matches up terribly against Alpha’s ability to override the concept of space altogether.
“—Ngh!”
His suit suffers another tear.
It seems the red mist doubles as a sensory organ of some sort, as Alpha’s able to completely sense the wires’ movements.
It looks as though John Smith has no cards left to play.
Alpha’s voice comes out from somewhere in the mist. “I’m not just a burden anymore. I’m strong enough to support you, to understand you… So please, I’m begging you…”
“Mistform, huh…? It’s an interesting technique, but it’s lacking in mass.”
As the words leave his mouth, his ebony sword materializes in his hand.
Devastating quantities of magic gather around it.
“If I blow it all away, you’ll be helpless.”
He swings his sword in a wide arc.
The released magic and wind-force combine into a massive tornado.
“This can’t be—”
The mist disappears, and Alpha reemerges.
“Good choice. If you’d stayed as mist, it could have ended poorly for you.”
Alpha looks up and sees that all the mist above them has been completely blown away.
She also sees a merciless strike bearing down on her.
“You’ve become strong.”
The ebony blade crashes into her.
- She is superior to Beta. Who is albeit weaker should be comparable to Delta. Additionally Anime added a statement for Elisabeth magic being above Alpha. Cid even commented on he needs to get little bit serious against her. So I believe its safe to say she is comparable to Alpha.
Others
Then, Akane and 711 took up practice swords and headed to the center of the training grounds.
Beta and Lambda watched as the two’s battle began from the edge of the training grounds.
“Who do you think will win?”
The brown elf Lambda, in charge of training the new recruits at Shadow Garden, said that.
“Well, I don’t know 711 very well…”
Beta narrowed her blue eyes and smiled ambiguously.
“711 has been here half a month. She’s still the weakest but her talent is top class.”
“It’s rare to hear you praise someone like that.”
“She’s a prodigy. But she is a bit rebellious…”
“She’s still a child. With your guidance, it shouldn’t be a problem.”
“Of course.”
“Lambda, who do you think will win?”
“I also don’t know much about that black-haired girl but…her magic power seems unusual. Is she the girl from another world rumored to have been brought back by Lady Beta?”
“A double knockdown…unexpected.”
“My prediction was off.”
Looking down at the two collapsed in the center of the training grounds, Beta and Lambda spoke.
“As you said, 711 is talented. Deductions for losing her initial calm, but still.”
“That was my insufficient guidance. I will retrain her immediately.”
“On her own, Number 711 was superior. But Akane Nishimura’s magic quality that brought it to a draw is abnormal. It’s not just the quantity of magic but something seems mutated…”
“Could it be magic from a different world than ours? Or is she somehow special…?”
“I don’t know. In any case, we’ll have to ask her more once she calms down. And investigating that will be—wait!!”
Beta cut off her words and grabbed Eta by the scruff of her neck.
So they all should get upgraded to 7-C with this. But their base stats should be 9-A like Alpha and Elisabeth without Magic. May be 9-C whichever it is fine by me.Seven Shadows > Numbers > Akane
Pre Awakened Rose and Alexia should be 10-A physically, 9-A with Magic. Reason is simple they don't have any feats for their physical capabilities.
Also Alexia post training key shouldn't scale to Rose. Rose Overpowered her and defeated Alexia with less difficulty. That scaling should be removed instead just list it as stronger than before and scale her to her previous self.
Cid/Shadow
Elisabeth
Seven Shadows
Alpha
Rose
Unknown physically, High 7-A with Magic, 6-C with I'm Atomic
Unknown physically (Clashed with clone of Hero Olivia), Large Mountain level with magic (Can perform this. Clashed with and eventually killed Ragnarok which was comparable to him at that time. He also fought Alpha and Elisabeth and defeated them), Island level with I AM ATOMIC (His strongest attack, it is above his magic which can cause this much damage)
Elisabeth
At least 9-A physically, 7-C with Magic, up to High 7-A, likely higher under Red Moon
At least Small Building level physically, Small Town+ level with Magic (When Elisabeth wakes up, she's incredibly powerful, even more so than people thought. Mary says she's not even at full strength yet. She looks scary, covered in blood like a dress, and her presence alone scares experienced fighters like Beta, 664, 665, 666, Mary, Yukime and Juggernaut. They can't match her power, and even the rulers of the Lawless City, Yukime and Juggernaut, know she's a big deal), up to Large Mountain level, likely higher under Red Moon (Elisabeth's immense power as the most formidable Vampire Progenitor is evident through her ability to obliterate several countries in just three days. Her strength is further highlighted by her ability to land a hit on Shadow, even though he was encumbered by loot, prompting him to take her little seriously)
Seven Shadows
Alpha
At least 9-A physically, 7-C up to High 7-A with Magic
Other Seven ShadowsAt least Small Building level physically, Town level with Magic (Alpha is the strongest among the Seven Shadows and is superior to Delta. She is also superior to No. 711, who is the weakest member of the Shadow Garden. Despite witnessing Akane's full-powered blast, which can achieve this feat, Beta still claims No. 711 is superior to Akane. The clash between No. 711 and Akane ended in a draw) up to High 7-A (At full power was able to put several wounds on Shadow)
9-C/9-A physically, 7-C with Magic
Street level/Small Building level Physically, Town level with Magic (No. 711 is the weakest member of the Shadow Garden. Despite witnessing Akane's full-powered blast, which can perform this feat, Beta still claims No. 711 is superior to Akane. The clash between No. 711 and Akane ended in a draw. Hence, the Seven Shadows [Insert Name] should be superior to that feat)
Rose
9-C/9-A physically, 7-C with Magic
Street level/Small Building level Physically, Town level with Magic (No. 711 is the weakest member of the Shadow Garden. Despite witnessing Akane's full-powered blast, which can perform this feat, Beta still claims No. 711 is superior to Akane. The clash between No. 711 and Akane ended in a draw. Hence, the Rose whose number is 666 should be superior to that feat)
Agree: @Dereck03 (Admin), @DarkDragonMedeus (Admin), @Elizhaa (Admin)
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