Eleonore and Machina (Dies Irae) VS Karna and Arjuna (Fate/Grand Order)

[EvilMegaCookie]

https://gareblogs.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/di11.jpg

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Eleonore_von_Wittenburg

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Machina

VS

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Archer_(Arjuna)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lancer_of_Red_(Karna)


The location is Paris, albeit abandoned and long since taken back by nature (the entire country, really), with the Eiffel Tower still standing tall.

The combatants starting position is on the furthest end of the town, with Machina and Samiel starting on the west side while the Fate/Grand Order side is to the east.

They have their standard equipment (besides Machina and Samiel being at 5/8 Swastika) and will have no knowledge of the other except that they are in the same place, but are determined to fight to the death, death being the victory condition. Both sides are in-character. The battle begins immediately.

Round 1: Eleonore and Machina will not use their Briah and Karna as well as Arjuna have their Noble Phantasms but won't activate them. The Servants also have unlimited mana, while Machina and Samiel benefit from Einherjar boost but still capable of having their souls being destroyed if the holy relic is. Samiel needs to fully manifest her holy relic in order to use it.

Round 2: Briah as well as Noble Phantasms, are now allowed to be activated.

Speed is equalized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVZI5ECzmYw

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

If Karna has Kavacha and Kundala passive still active they win round 1, if not it can go either way since Karna and Arjuna have range and AoE but Soul Armor really lowers the effectiveness of said adavantage while they can still attack the two Demigod Servants' souls.

Round 2 depends on if Karna and Arjuna release Vasavi Shakti and Pashupata before Machina punches their heads out of existence and Eleonore spamming her shots though Brahmastra can help against it since it is very similar. If Karna can tank with Kavacha and Kundala hold them off for Arjuna's NP or land his own they will most likely win otherwise the Commanders take this round.

 

[EvilMegaCookie]

Honestly, now that I have gotten feedback from others, it seems that this was a poor match-up, due to the sheer stat difference. Speed could be fixed via equalization, but the AP/Durability difference is too large.

So either I make it against every Servant in F/GO barring Solomon or I restrict them to 5/8 Swastika where they aren't as powerful.

Edit: Even then it might be too much as I seem to remember Machina one-shotting Tubal Cain.

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

Honestly, now that I have gotten feedback from others, it seems that this was a poor match-up, due to the sheer stat difference. Speed could be fixed via equalization, but the AP/Durability difference is too large.
So either I make it against every Servant in F/GO barring Solomon or I restrict them to 5/8 Swastika where they aren't as powerful.

Edit: Even then it might be too much as I seem to remember Machina one-shotting Tubal Cain.

Yea Elenore and Machina have this without much trouble since Karna and Arjuna have only their NPs as their only chance. With every Servant in F/GO the Commanders would fall after their soul armors diminish plus certain Servants have hax that would pose problems. At 5/8 Swastika it's closer and with speed equal would make it much closer but Karna and Arjuna only chance is to release Vasavi Shakti and Pashupata. Machina is the main problem and in combination with Eleonore for CC it's hard for the two Demigods though with all Servants I can see the Commanders losing.

 

[EvilMegaCookie]

Honestly, now that I have gotten feedback from others, it seems that this was a poor match-up, due to the sheer stat difference. Speed could be fixed via equalization, but the AP/Durability difference is too large.
So either I make it against every Servant in F/GO barring Solomon or I restrict them to 5/8 Swastika where they aren't as powerful.

Edit: Even then it might be too much as I seem to remember Machina one-shotting Tubal Cain.

Yea Elenore and Machina have this without much trouble since Karna and Arjuna have only their NPs as their only chance. With every Servant in F/GO the Commanders would fall after their soul armors diminish plus certain Servants have hax that would pose problems. At 5/8 Swastika it's closer and with speed equal would make it much closer but Karna and Arjuna only chance is to release Vasavi Shakti and Pashupata. Machina is the main problem and in combination with Eleonore for CC it's hard for the two Demigods though with all Servants I can see the Commanders losing.

Aight. I have mucked around a bit with the OP to make it more even. Neither should be able to one-shot Karna seeing as his armor reduces damage by 90%. I think this even extends to soul-damaging attacks... Maybe. Not sure.

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

Aight. I have mucked around a bit with the OP to make it more even. Neither should be able to one-shot Karna seeing as his armor reduces damage by 90%. I think this even extends to soul-damaging attacks... Maybe. Not sure.

Yea well if his armor is allowed for Round 1 since it's mostly a passive then they have a good chance to win with the AoE and range the Demigods have. Round 2 is upto who hits harder first since Vasavi Shakti and Pashupata are most likely able to put the Commanders down through Soul Armor because of their capabilities though the slight prep needed for both of them would put the Demigods at a disadvantage unless they take themsleves way back and uses Karna's Brahmastra and Armor to help them prep their other NPs though Eleonore and Machina can close the gap and can erase the Demigods just as easily as their NPs, so I'm leaning more to Eleonore and Machina unless Karna goes man mode with his NPs to allow Arjuna to get Pashupata off.