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Elden Ring Profiles

I don't think we should have non arena boss enemies scale to the Tarnished unless there's more narrative back up to it.
I wouldn't usually either, but it is actually required you beats Radahn before Alecto. Alecto is in the evergaol on the raised part of Liurnia where you finish Ranni's questline and is impossible to reach without completing the previous steps.
 
I wouldn't usually either, but it is actually required you beats Radahn before Alecto. Alecto is in the evergaol on the raised part of Liurnia where you finish Ranni's questline and is impossible to reach without completing the previous steps.
Eh. So do the fodder dragons and that one dog on Ranni's hilltop, but I doubt they scale to being demigod level
 
Eh. So do the fodder dragons and that one dog on Ranni's hilltop, but I doubt they scale to being demigod level
I mean I wouldn't say Adula is fodder considering she was able to fight Ranni. Whatever level she Is I doubt she is much weaker than any other demigod. Plus if that was the reasoning for everything, we'd basically be nerfing every character. Like I doubt the fodder enemies in Ferum Azula or Moghwyn Palace are on the level of the demigods too, but it's not like we are going to nerf Mogh, Maliketh, or any other powerful character there because of it. Plus, the black knives have a precedent of power, at least with the rune of death.
 
Some description states they fought Ranni but got subdued. I wanna say it's in the Adula spell you get from beating them.
Just found it.

"The Adula's Moonblade is an offensive Cold Sorcery in Elden Ring, dropped by Glintstone Dragon Adula. Sorcery of Adula, the Glintstone Dragon. Conjures a cold magic greatsword, then delivers a sweeping blow that launches a blade-like projectile of frost. This sorcery can be cast repeatedly. Adula, a devourer of sorcerers was bested by Ranni and subsequently swore a knightly oath to her Dark Moon".
 
Adula doesn't really have that much scaling beyond she should scale above regular sorcerers, who would be 8-B, possibly 7-C.

At the very least, Alecto should probably be "At least Low 7-C, likely High 7-C" for being capable of killing Godwyn. Though Godwyn has likely higher scaling with the 7-A to High 4-Cs, Godwyn should at least be stronger than the likes of Godrick.
 
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Adula doesn't really have that much scaling beyond she should scale above regular sorcerers, who would be 8-B, possibly 7-C.

At the very least, Alecto should probably be "At least Low 7-C, likely High 7-C" for being capable of killing Godwyn. Though Godwyn has likely higher scaling with the 7-A to High 4-Cs, Godwyn should at least be stronger than the likes of Godrick.
I mean Godwyn is definitely above Pre-Corruption Fortissaxx, so I'd say it makes sense for him to be in the 7-A to High 4-C range. Plus it also makes sense for Fortissaxx to be High 7-A to High 4-C since the two ways you can find him involve beating Radahn I'm pretty sure. To reach him without Fia you need to get past the Mogh in Leyndell which I'm pretty sure we already have as 7-A to High 4-C, and you need the cursemark from the divine tower in Raya Lucaria which can only be reached after getting the inverting item from Ranni I believe. So besides the fact you need to beat Radahn to get to Alecto, it is pretty consistent by killing Godwyn that she would be on that level at best.
 
Also, I'm assuming we already have a system set up for how we are going to categorize characters on the verse page but I thought I'd propose this. I know there are more characters and more groups but this is just to throw ideas out there.

Outer Gods:
  • The Greater Will
  • The Frenzied Flame
  • The Fell God
  • The Formless Mother
  • The God of Rot
  • The Blood Star

Gods:
  • Queen Marika
  • Radagon
(Idk if we'd merge their pages or not)

Demigods:
  • Morgott
  • Mogh
  • Godwyn
  • Radahn
  • Rykard
  • Ranni
  • Miquella
  • Malenia
  • Godrick
(We could possibly call them shardbearers too so we could include Rennala maybe)

Shadows:
  • Maliketh
  • Blaidd

Dragons:
  • Placcidusax
  • Fortissax
  • Gransax
  • Lansseax
  • Greyoll
  • Adula
  • Borealis
  • Greyll
  • Ekzykes
  • Smarag
  • Agheel
  • Makar
  • Theodrix

Tarnished:
  • The Tarnished
  • Hoarah Loux/Godfrey
  • Sir Gideon Ofnir
  • Nepheli Loux
  • The Dung Eater
  • Fia
  • Goldmask
  • Rogier
  • Roderika
  • Ensha
  • Berhnal
  • Patches
  • Vike

Other:
  • Elden Beast
  • The Gloam Eye'd Queen
  • Melina
  • Alexander
 
I'm not sure how having to reach a certain opponent after beating another one would qualify for scaling?
I know based on other FromSoft scaling. We treat major bosses as threats to the player character unless they're intentionally incredibly weak or have statements.

So to fight Fortissaxx you are required to nearly complete Ranni's questline, which is only possible by beating Radahn (or by going through Mohg I guess). Which would mean Fortissaxx is battled after the Tarnished fights Radahn, which would scale to Godwyn.
 
I'm not sure how having to reach a certain opponent after beating another one would qualify for scaling?
I mean it's just that you have to beat them or should beat them before the other. Like Mogh is scaled off Mogh the Omen who can battle the midgame tarnished, so it is kinda safe to say that characters that you can only beat after Mogh the Omen would be that level two.
 
I know based on other FromSoft scaling. We treat major bosses as threats to the player character unless they're intentionally incredibly weak or have statements.

So to fight Fortissaxx you are required to nearly complete Ranni's questline, which is only possible by beating Radahn (or by going through Mohg I guess). Which would mean Fortissaxx is battled after the Tarnished fights Radahn, which would scale to Godwyn.
Eh fair enough
 
Also, I'm assuming we already have a system set up for how we are going to categorize characters on the verse page but I thought I'd propose this. I know there are more characters and more groups but this is just to throw ideas out there.

Outer Gods:
  • The Greater Will
  • The Frenzied Flame
  • The Fell God
  • The Formless Mother
  • The God of Rot
  • The Blood Star

Gods:
  • Queen Marika
  • Radagon
(Idk if we'd merge their pages or not)

Demigods:
  • Morgott
  • Mogh
  • Godwyn
  • Radahn
  • Rykard
  • Ranni
  • Miquella
  • Malenia
  • Godrick
(We could possibly call them shardbearers too so we could include Rennala maybe)

Shadows:
  • Maliketh
  • Blaidd

Dragons:
  • Placcidusax
  • Fortissax
  • Gransax
  • Lansseax
  • Greyoll
  • Adula
  • Borealis
  • Greyll
  • Ekzykes
  • Smarag
  • Agheel
  • Makar
  • Theodrix

Tarnished:
  • The Tarnished
  • Hoarah Loux/Godfrey
  • Sir Gideon Ofnir
  • Nepheli Loux
  • The Dung Eater
  • Fia
  • Goldmask
  • Rogier
  • Roderika
  • Ensha
  • Berhnal
  • Patches
  • Vike

Other:
  • Elden Beast
  • The Gloam Eye'd Queen
  • Melina
  • Alexander
So I think I've decided on a change to this. I believe that the Greater Will is separate from the Outer Gods. For one, the Greater will is never described as an outer god in the story. This wouldn't usually disqualify it, since it has a lot in common with every other outer god, but there is something else about it that distinguishes it.

Basically, In the Japanese texts, the "Outer" in outer god is used to denote something that is separate. In this way, Outer gods are less a class of beings that are above beings like Marika but are rather beings that are separate from the current orders agenda. I recommend watching SmoughTown's video on it, but basically, Outer gods are like Japanese Kami. They are beings that represent an aspect of nature, primarily those that are left out of the current order. The goddess of Rot and Blue Fairy represents Rebirth through decay and disease and purity and cleansing through flowing water respectively, the god of the death birds is death, the formless mother is blood, etc. Honestly, the Elden Beast feels almost like an outer god that was included in the golden order, considering how it is described as the concept of order itself, but that's just a personal thought of my own. If you want a better understanding as I said, go watch SmoughTown's video, but I think this should disqualify the Greater Will from being an outer god, and it should rather be its own entity.
 
Hey, just an idea like that (it's not serious, just a fun thing to do just because), the fextralife Builds page has several builds listed according to levels (Beginner - 50 - 100 - 150 - 200, etc). Imagine making profiles for builds based on their level
 
Honestly, I could try writing out profiles if need be. I currently don't have easy access to my wiki account itself outside of mobile, but I can still write it up. Though it may just be general information and compiling rather than having format code. I already basically did that with Alecto
 
Should we just deleted Radagon's page? It's pretty poorly made, and the agreed scaling was to just merge his file with Marika. Any opinions @Qawsedf234 ?

Also @ArkhamDC06 how's the Elden Beast page going? He's the main scaling point for possibly 4-A characters
Wait he has his own page? That's silly, they should just have a shared profile, Radagon and Marika are apart of the same being. If Flowey and Asriel (among many other examples) have the same page, there is absolutely no argument for these two not having the same page.
 
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