El Nonte fights himself

[Stillwinston]

Not sure if this was done or not, but lets see if El Nonte can get past his issues

• Speed is equalised
• Dante starts in base and is allowed to go into DT
• Ditto starts off transformed
• Fight takes place in the tournament of power arena
• SBA otherwise

Netflix and pizza: 2

Ditto'd: 0

Incon: 0

Dante (Netflix DMC)

Dante is the protagonist of the Netflix adaptation of the hit series, Devil May Cry. Troubled with a dark past, his mother was killed and his brother was thought to be killed, Dante started hunting Demons to earn money, unknown to him that he himself had Demon blood running through his veins, as...

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Ditto (Pokémon)

Ditto is a Normal-type Pokémon from the Kanto region introduced in Generation l. It is known as the Transform Pokémon. Tier: Unknown, Varies with transformations Name: Ditto Origin: Pokémon Gender: Genderless Age: Varies Classification: Pokémon, Transform Pokémon Powers and Abilities: Superhuman...

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[Gamecooob]

Nonte outskill.

 

[Stillwinston]

Ditto's can copy the fighting moves of fighting type pokemon though are lesser to them more or less. That said Dante is prolly more familiar with his weapons than Ditto is

 

[Drite77]

Ditto's can copy the fighting moves of fighting type pokemon though are lesser to them more or less. That said Dante is prolly more familiar with his weapons than Ditto is

Can Dito copy the weapons as well?

 

[Stillwinston]

I would assume so, iirc it can copy things that pokemon use like Cubone's etc

 

[Drite77]

I would assume so, iirc it can copy things that pokemon use like Cubone's etc

Aren't they born with that? '-'. Dito can't copy any held items, for example

 

[Stillwinston]

Iirc we have Ditto matches with people who use weapons and they argued it as if they had it. Iirc Ditto's can turn into a cannon (Duplica's) and transform into inanimate objects, so no reason to suggest it can't make weapons.

 

[Drite77]

Ditto apparently will drop their copy if they laugh, Dante wouldn't know it but I can see him mentioning something that would make Ditto lose composure.

I'll try to make a better analysis either later today or tomorrow, but, outside the fact Dante is more skilled and much more used on using his weapons, he can enter DT, which I don't know if Ditto could copy or even know how to access it

 

[Stillwinston]

The laughing is a fair point as Dante does make remarks that could work on Ditto there ngl

I'd assume Ditto can also enter DT, its more or less a perfect duplicate of Dante and gains its opponent's skills when its transformed so no reason to say it can't.

 

[Drite77]

Iirc we have Ditto matches with people who use weapons and they argued it as if they had it. Iirc Ditto's can turn into a cannon (Duplica's) and transform into inanimate objects, so no reason to suggest it can't make weapons.

I checked the Imposter, Sun Wukong and Stain, there wasn't a clear consensus and I've seen more arguments for Ditto either: Not being able to copy the items at all or only copying what is visible to them

 

[SuperSonicTL]

****, I was thinking of making Dante Vs Dante matchup smh.

 

[Stillwinston]

I checked the Imposter, Sun Wukong and Stain, there wasn't a clear consensus and I've seen more arguments for Ditto either: Not being able to copy the items at all or only copying what is visible to them

Well Dante has a giant sword that's visible and I assume his guns too so my point still stands, if anything even if we assume Ditto can't make them it'd be more inclined to DT then.

 

[Drite77]

Well Dante has a giant sword that's visible and I assume his guns too so my point still stands, if anything even if we assume Ditto can't make them it'd be more inclined to DT then.

His guns aren't visible

 

[Pyro9278]

So what's Nonte supposed to do against himself? I'm guessing Ditto doesn't copy experience, so he'd have a slight advantage

 

[Drite77]

So what's Nonte supposed to do against himself? I'm guessing Ditto doesn't copy experience, so he'd have a slight advantage

Dante would still have his guns as they are normally hidden under his jacket, Ditto also doesn't fully copy skills or experience. Fighting Moves are much more then just Martial Arts, you wouldn't say someone with Martial Arts would deal twice as much damage to an Absol or Gigalith, for example, so they are not 1:1

 

[Drite77]

No D&D today so I might as well: Dante should win this pretty handy

Ditto should not copy all of Dante's skills, Ditto can copy a fighting-type moves, but those are not every single move in existence and, besides that, like I said before, those are not just normal Martial Arts, a one inch punch is not just Mach Punch, and etc. Otherwise, like I said before, normal Martial Artists would do double damage on Dark, Rock and Normal type mons, any Bite would be effective against a Psychic pokémon, etc. This is supported by Ditto's own profile since it states they are weak to Fighting-type based moves, not just any martial art move, so that is hardly a point for Ditto.

Ditto can only copy things he sees, if Dante has his sword out and starts with it, he won't have his handguns out, which means Dante has the advantage in terms of range and, with his skills with guns, he only needs to hit a hit on Ditto's head to incon him, perhaps even just kill him.

Dante is also used to cracking jokes during the battle, Ditto is not a very smart pokémon, so the chances of they laughing and losing their transformation is not unlikely. Ditto is rated as unknown, but even then, it shouldn't be hard for Dante to take out a blob who has no other moves outside of struggling with his pistols.

Dante and Ditto have DT, that hardly matters for the reasons I've stated

 

[Pyro9278]

Dante takes the win then, I'd say with a Mid Diff. Ditto would have copied most of his abilities so they'd be evenly matched until Dante starts taking him seriously, or ironically not and just joke around during the fight.

Yeah, Nonte FRA

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I thought this was Nante vs Donte.

I'm disappointed and I feel like my emotions were played with.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I thought this was Nante vs Donte.

I'm disappointed and I feel like my emotions were played with.

"Objection my lord! you weren't even there when it happened"

 

[Random-Helper323]

Ditto usually loses these matchups for the same reason it generally loses in the games. It is usually an inferior copy of its opponent. For one thing, it needs time (a turn) to transform (weakness removed here) which means the opponent is always a turn ahead of it. For the rest, its copied moves only have five PP which guarantees losing the stall war, and all its stats change to match the enemy except health, which it so happens is pretty low, meaning it'll likely lose the direct fight as well.

It ends up fighting the enemy as a copy of themself except with less health and far less PP. Prior to the ability Imposter they got a free turn while it transformed too, and its low defense and speed stats hurt it a whole lot there.

In summary:

• Needs a turn to transform. This weakness is circumvented with the ability Imposter and in this thread.
• Only 5 PP for each move, while even low PP moves used by a trained Pokémon will likely have 16. Guarantees losing a PP stall war, likely due to inexperience.
• Low Health stat of 300 at max. Not good if the opponent being copied has over 400.

 

[Pyro9278]

Ditto usually loses these matchups for the same reason it generally loses in the games. It is usually an inferior copy of its opponent. For one thing, it needs time (a turn) to transform (weakness removed here) which means the opponent is always a turn ahead of it. For the rest, its copied moves only have five PP which guarantees losing the stall war, and all its stats change to match the enemy except health, which it so happens is pretty low, meaning it'll likely lose the direct fight as well. It ends up fighting the enemy as a copy of themself except with less health and far less PP.

In summary:

• Needs a turn to transform. This weakness is circumvented with the ability Imposter and in this thread.
• Only 5 PP for each move, while even low PP moves used by a trained Pokémon will likely have 16. Guarantees losing a PP stall war, likely due to inexperience.
• Low Health stat of 300 at max. Not good if the opponent being copied has over 400.

So there are no wincon for Ditto? Because it seems that Dante has an advantage, considering that he is a skilled melee fighter and that he will be playing a lot with a copy of himself, surely seeing how much he could regenerate or how skilled he is

 

[Random-Helper323]

So there are no wincon for Ditto? Because it seems that Dante has an advantage, considering that he is a skilled melee fighter and that he will be playing a lot with a copy of himself, surely seeing how much he could regenerate or how skilled he is

It depends on the characters' base health and PP (resilience and stamina, likely skill with the moves as well). It pretty much means that Ditto won't be as good with the weapons and moves as Nante is, won't be able to keep it up as long, and so on. Assuming Nante's resilience is higher than Ditto's by default, which it should be, he can also outlast the Ditto in sheer resilience to attacks. The two of them can go at it and whack away at each other like a pair of rock 'em sock 'em robots, and Ditto inevitably wears out first in literally every regard.

Edit: Although, Ditto untransformed can still take hits from other Pokémon, so it warrants considering that maybe the "health stat" would actually favour Ditto here.

 

[Drite77]

So there are no wincon for Ditto? Because it seems that Dante has an advantage, considering that he is a skilled melee fighter and that he will be playing a lot with a copy of himself, surely seeing how much he could regenerate or how skilled he is

I mean, it is just clear cut, you'll have matches where they are pretty comparable APwise but one side is more skilled so they'll logically win

 

[Random-Helper323]

Uh, there is an issue. Ditto can take hits from regular Pokémon even without transforming, which might mean even by default Ditto has something like 8-A durability. Ditto might ironically have more "HP" than Nante here, and by a large margin. Maybe Ditto can outlast Nante here...

 

[Drite77]

Uh, there is an issue. Ditto can take hits from regular Pokémon even without transforming, which might mean even by default Ditto has something like 8-A durability. Ditto might ironically have more "HP" than Nante here, and by a large margin. Maybe Ditto can outlast Nante here...

Not on the profile, and it seems this is not exactly how it works either considering Ditto's matchups, otherwise the Pokémon supporters would've bringed that up

 

[Random-Helper323]

Not on the profile, and it seems this is not exactly how it works either considering Ditto's matchups, otherwise the Pokémon supporters would've bringed that up

Maybe. Still, it probably warrants a look, but not here. It might warrant a revision, ironically.

 

[Drite77]

Maybe. Still, it probably warrants a look, but not here. It might warrant a revision, ironically.

Maybe, perhaps it would make matchups more fair for Ditto, but as of now his HP stat doesn't really influenciate the matches

 

[Random-Helper323]

Maybe, perhaps it would make matchups more fair for Ditto, but as of now his HP stat doesn't really influenciate the matches

Ironic, since that HP stat is exactly why Ditto has one foot in the grave before the fight even starts.

 

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[Random-Helper323]

I'd guess the fight goes in a few stages. I'll use Pokémon game turns, and even the accurate number of turns, to illustrate stages, but they're not literal, they vaguely refer to time and fight progression.

Turn 1: Nante makes some lame pop-culture reference because Netflix writers thought they were writing Deadpool, and Ditto uses Transform.

Turn 2: Nante makes a move, Ditto copies it. Both clash, stats are basically equal.

Turn 3-20: Clashes keep happening, both take damage and tire out. Ditto runs out of "PP", falters more due to its stamina fading faster than Nante's. Nante gains the advantage.

Turn 21 onwards: Nante takes almost complete control of the fight, Ditto eventually goes down.

 

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[MannyQ361]

Netflix Dante fra

 

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