EE Question for immortality neg.

[Quangotjokes]

What type of immortality negation is granted for an ability that can remove a being who exists as a concept or law and that concept or law from existence as well?

 

[Magicomethkuon]

What type of immortality negation is granted for an ability that can remove a being who exists as a concept or law and that concept or law from existence as well?

The usual answer would be Type 8 and 9. The tendency of concept-reliant immortals is to have a combination of “will not die if their concept still exists” and “having a true form beyond where their physical vessel dwells, this one existing only as a higher-order abstraction”. But it could have more or less. It all depends on the work, context and feats involved. Maybe the victim was also a type 5 immortal, maybe they wouldn't have a type 9 immortality. Endless possibilities.

 

[Quangotjokes]

The usual answer would be Type 8 and 9. The tendency of concept-reliant immortals is to have a combination of “will not die if their concept still exists” and “having a true form beyond where their physical vessel dwells, this one existing only as a higher-order abstraction”. But it could have more or less. It all depends on the work, context and feats involved. Maybe the victim was also a type 5 immortal, maybe they wouldn't have a type 9 immortality. Endless possibilities.

Well essentially they exist as the concepts and have no physical forms. They do however interact within reality by creating manifestations.

 

[Quangotjokes]

For example: one was stated that in order to defeat it you would have to destroy all of time. Other wise it does come back and has.

 

[ShionAH]

For example: one was stated that in order to defeat it you would have to destroy all of time. Other wise it does come back and has.

Maybe acasuality type 3 neg and immo 8 neg

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Well essentially they exist as the concepts and have no physical forms. They do however interact within reality by creating manifestations.

For example: one was stated that in order to defeat it you would have to destroy all of time. Other wise it does come back and has.

Sounds like abstract existence to me. The negation would be of Type 8 and 9. Maybe also 5, for all I know.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Would this also be mod godly regen negation? Or high godly?

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

For example: one was stated that in order to defeat it you would have to destroy all of time. Other wise it does come back and has.

And the character in question can kill them without destroying all time?
Sounds like type 8 negation to me

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Would this also be mod godly regen negation? Or high godly?

The opponent need to be proven to have high godly first.

 

[Quangotjokes]

And the character in question can kill them without destroying all time?
Sounds like type 8 negation to me

When it died all of time was destroyed. Infinite universes, we’re being destroyed but it reformed and merged 4 multiverses into one.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Would this also be mod godly regen negation? Or high godly?

High-Godly is stretching it. For High-godly qualifications, the victim needs first demonstrate the ability to regenerate after body, mind, soul and the concept are gone. After that, character B must kill them without destroying these four, or bypass their immortal capabilities while still active.
Destroying it all does not qualify, because the character wouldn't be negating in that scenario, just brute-forcing a way through the power.

 

[Quangotjokes]

The opponent need to be proven to have high godly first.

But I’m a verses match, would it already have the capability since it can destroy on that level?

 

[Quangotjokes]

High-Godly is stretching it. For High-godly qualifications, the victim needs first demonstrate the ability to regenerate after body, mind, soul and the concept are gone. After that, character B must kill them without destroying these four, or bypass their immortal capabilities while still active.
Destroying it all does not qualify, because the character wouldn't be negating in that scenario, just brute-forcing a way through the power.

I’m a little confused, so if a character can destroy all 4 of those. In a versus match, oh wait I get what you’re saying. Destroyed my the 4 isn’t negation because they can already come back from that.

 

[Quangotjokes]

So instead of destroying, what if all 4 of those things were erased to the point of never existing in the first place?

 

[Magicomethkuon]

I’m a little confused, so if a character can destroy all 4 of those. In a versus match, oh wait I get what you’re saying. Destroyed my the 4 isn’t negation because they can already come back from that.

When it comes to negation you need to, well...negate. There are many ways to kill immortals, but Negation will only apply if the way character B kills them is with methods that shouldn't work.

 

[Quangotjokes]

When it comes to negation you need to, well...negate. There are many ways to kill immortals, but Negation will only apply if the way character B kills them is with methods that shouldn't work.

Ok, but what if the ability removes the immortality itself from the user? Making them mortal?

 

[Magicomethkuon]

So instead of destroying, what if all 4 of those things were erased to the point of never existing in the first place?

This does not qualify. Character is brute-forcing a way through the immortality, not negating it.

Ok, but what if the ability removes the immortality itself from the user? Making them mortal?

Then, yes.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Then, yes.

Ah, well that makes things easier lol it could erase a gods godhood making them mortal although they spawned with their respective concept.