Edits in Inazuma Eleven Pages

[David_Is_Goat]

So, in this CRT i will be pointing some of potential upgrades for Inazuma Eleven characters and also potential abilities for them. Here we go again

Physical Stats​

Midorikawa Ryuuji: No modification in his current speed, but just add Relativistic speed for him via Lightning Accel, which is stated to go at a speed near from light

Tsunami Josuke: Just for his GO version, but add Speed of Light for him via Sparkle Wave, which makes him travels at warp speed, as stated here

Abilities​

Everyone: Should add Toon Force for standard abilities due to these reasons:

• (Episode 29) - The gravity just started to work when Kabeyama and Megane noticed than there's no floor anymore
• (Episode 30) - Touko could change her clothes to a Raimon uniform in a blink of eye. Note than she was an unexpected member in the team and also the managers were surprised at how she got a raimon jersey
• (Episode 41) - Both Megane and Kogure can emit fire from their mouth if they eat spicy food. Anyways, this not happened just in episode 41 but every time Kogure put spicy sauce in their teammates' food
• (Episode 78) - When Touko remembered than Ichinose went to USA, Rika literally hugged a imaginary bubble of him
• (Episode 90) - While mad with Kabeyama, Kurimatsu, Kogure and Tsunami, during a training in order to make Tachimukai develop Maou the Hand, Haruna interacted with a bubble of Kogure arguing with her

Kidou:

• Animal Manipulation (Via Koutei Penguin 2gou and Koutei Penguin 3gou)
• Lightning Manipulation (Via Inazuma Break)
  • This applies to Endou and Gouenji too
• Atomic Manipulation (Via Big Bang)

Fudou:

• Afterimage Creation (Via Killer Slide, which is stated to create countless afterimages)

Fubuki:

• Atomic Manipulation (Via Big Bang)
• Lightning Manipulation (Via Thunder Beast)

Rococo:

• Soul Manipulation (Via God Hand X, which is stated to releases the player's spirit)
  • Being honest, i actually don't know how to qualify this

Kanon Endou:

• Time Travel (with help of Killard)
• Possible Acausality (Type 4 - As seen here)
• Reality Warping (The dark clouds created by Ogre Gakuen that spread along the entire stadium were broken like glass by Kanon's summoning)

That's all. What you guys thinks about this??

Agree: @Shadow_x007x @FinePoint (Mod) @Jinx666
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Jinx666]

I was thinking of somewhat separating the powers and abilities gained from combo hissatsu, just since its not something they can complete on their own, but for now its fine.

The Lightning Accel description comes from Victory Road which isnt fully released yet, perhaps its worth waiting for so then we can have discussions on how it potentially scales? I dont think Tsunami's profile considers his GO counterpart since that literally only appeared in the non-canon crossover. That can be changed potentially but i want to limit how much we use the Danball Senki crossover since its very clearly not canon in the events itself (but accurate in portrayal of character imo)

Im iffy on the toon force stuff, gag stuff in Inazuma itself is just for the visuals as opposed to anything thats actually considered, otherwise most anime characters would get this qualified as Toon Force also. Touko's thing would just qualify as a speed feat tbh.

Spirit doesnt necessarily mean Soul, so i wouldnt qualify it as such. Keshins are a lot more similar to a soul, but those werent a thing in the original

Kanon hasnt got a profile yet tbh, i was considering making it alongside Baddap at some point (but ive been working on other verses) but if anyone does thats fine. I dont agree with the reality warping, its seemingly just a visual effect

 

[David_Is_Goat]

The Lightning Accel description comes from Victory Road which isnt fully released yet, perhaps its worth waiting for so then we can have discussions on how it potentially scales?

Yeah, sure. I guess. The game releases on August of this year, so, 1 month will not kill us.

Im iffy on the toon force stuff, gag stuff in Inazuma itself is just for the visuals as opposed to anything thats actually considered, otherwise most anime characters would get this qualified as Toon Force also. Touko's thing would just qualify as a speed feat tbh.

What about Megane and Kabeyama using cartoon physics (gravity working when they release they will fall)? It shouldn't be at least Minor Toon Force, as this is not at same level of characters like Bugs Bunny, Daffy and etc?

Spirit doesnt necessarily mean Soul, so i wouldnt qualify it as such. Keshins are a lot more similar to a soul, but those werent a thing in the original

But like, God Hand X works with "releasing player's spirit" and Rococo also has Tamashiii the hand, whose translation is like "spiritual hand" as "Tamashii (魂)" literally means "soul", so i thought.

Kanon hasnt got a profile yet tbh, i was considering making it alongside Baddap at some point (but ive been working on other verses) but if anyone does thats fine. I dont agree with the reality warping, its seemingly just a visual effect

I pointed Kanon's abilities due to the fact im working on Baddap and Kanon's page. About reality warping, like, in the start of the match we can see ogre gakuen using weather manipulation. Like, how its not reality warping as they broke the entire amount of dark clouds just like glass, cleaning the weather for complete? The clouds are not representative

 

[Jinx666]

What about Megane and Kabeyama using cartoon physics (gravity working when they release they will fall)? It shouldn't be at least Minor Toon Force, as this is not at same level of characters like Bugs Bunny, Daffy and etc?

Maybe if it was a common thing with them, but it just feels like a one-off anime gag as opposed to an actual applicable power. Cant really get behind it, even if its minor

But like, God Hand X works with "releasing player's spirit" and Rococo also has Tamashiii the hand, whose translation is like "spiritual hand" as "Tamashii (魂)" literally means "soul", so i thought.

Well yeah but as with inazuma in general, we cant always take names literal. Rococo being on the same wavelength as Endou p much then i could see it, but it doesnt feel like direct soul manipulation as opposed to just the hissatsu channeling his emotions (like every other hissatsu)

I pointed Kanon's abilities due to the fact im working on Baddap and Kanon's page. About reality warping, like, in the start of the match we can see ogre gakuen using weather manipulation. Like, how its not reality warping as they broke the entire amount of dark clouds just like glass, cleaning the weather for complete? The clouds are not representative

Like most inazuma moves, it could literally just be for visuals. Team Ogre's weather clouds feel more like its an illusion backdrop if its quite literally shattering like that. Theres no direct statement about how Ogre are directly doing it, and its not a conventional way of clearing clouds per say. It feels more like smthn to do with the advanced tech rather than anyone actually warping reality. It was also triggered by the five returning players rathert han Kanon in himself

 

[Secimatar]

Don't agree with soul manipulation. I think it should be Acausality Type 4 rather than Acausality Type 1. Other than that I am with everything else.

 

[Jinx666]

Oh yh its deff type 1 and not 4

 

[Secimatar]

Oh yh its deff type 1 and not 4

I think it should be type 4. Type 4 is irregular acausality meaning your causality functions differently than regular causality while type 1 is paradox immunity meaning a change in the past won't change your present. Having a different flow of time implies Type 4 irregular causality and not Type 1, paradox immunity.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Maybe if it was a common thing with them, but it just feels like a one-off anime gag as opposed to an actual applicable power. Cant really get behind it, even if its minor

Well yeah but as with inazuma in general, we cant always take names literal. Rococo being on the same wavelength as Endou p much then i could see it, but it doesnt feel like direct soul manipulation as opposed to just the hissatsu channeling his emotions (like every other hissatsu)

Like most inazuma moves, it could literally just be for visuals. Team Ogre's weather clouds feel more like its an illusion backdrop if its quite literally shattering like that. Theres no direct statement about how Ogre are directly doing it, and its not a conventional way of clearing clouds per say. It feels more like smthn to do with the advanced tech rather than anyone actually warping reality. It was also triggered by the five returning players rathert han Kanon in himself

Uhm... Ok

 

[David_Is_Goat]

I think it should be type 4. Type 4 is irregular acausality meaning your causality functions differently than regular causality while type 1 is paradox immunity meaning a change in the past won't change your present. Having a different flow of time implies Type 4 irregular causality and not Type 1, paradox immunity.

HMMMMMMMMMM... ok

 

[Jinx666]

I think it should be type 4. Type 4 is irregular acausality meaning your causality functions differently than regular causality while type 1 is paradox immunity meaning a change in the past won't change your present. Having a different flow of time implies Type 4 irregular causality and not Type 1, paradox immunity.

He's literally just coming from the future tho, where he can still exist despite the changes he had to reverse thanks to Team Ogre

He doesnt operate on the higher time flow 4 suggests tbh, hes literally just a standard time traveller

 

[David_Is_Goat]

He's literally just coming from the future tho, where he can still exist despite the changes he had to reverse thanks to Team Ogre

He doesnt operate on the higher time flow 4 suggests tbh, hes literally just a standard time traveller

so we remove acausality in his abilities then?

 

[Jinx666]

so we remove acausality in his abilities then?

not too sure yet, Inazuma characters with high enough willpower or a time band can just ignore changes in history, idk how much that applies to Kanon

 

[Ezaru]

Warp speed =/= Light Speed

 

[David_Is_Goat]

not too sure yet, Inazuma characters with high enough willpower or a time band can just ignore changes in history, idk how much that applies to Kanon

I thought about Acausality to him as he was unnafected by the plot, even with Ogre changing the timeline's history. He also says "i'm off to protect everyone's present!", but not "our present", just like if "this does matter to everyone, but for me, whatever".

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Warp speed =/= Light Speed

for some reason my translator translated this to speed of light

 

[Jinx666]

I thought about Acausality to him as he was unnafected by the plot, even with Ogre changing the timeline's history. He also says "i'm off to protect everyone's present!", but not "our present", just like if "this does matter to everyone, but for me, whatever".

I doubt thats the case and he would be excluded, hes still human like everyone else.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

I doubt thats the case and he would be excluded, hes still human like everyone else.

hm...

 

[Keeweed]

I just want to say I think many more anime should get limited toon force rather the toon force being rejected here. When cartoons western cartoons do the same gags they have gotten toon force. And before you say “whatabism” this is literally a dead on contradiction to how we rate stuff like this. I’m annoyed this site has gotten extra hand wavy when it comes to contradictions like this. Maybe you could argue less cartoons should have toon force then, but like limited toon force doing small silly stuff is literally what it’s suppose to do. It lines up with the games have moves that cartoonishly flatten people and stuff.

 

[Jinx666]

I just want to say I think many more anime should get limited toon force rather the toon force being rejected here. When cartoons western cartoons do the same gags they have gotten toon force. And before you say “whatabism” this is literally a dead on contradiction to how we rate stuff like this. I’m annoyed this site has gotten extra hand wavy when it comes to contradictions like this. Maybe you could argue less cartoons should have toon force then, but like limited toon force doing small silly stuff is literally what it’s suppose to do. It lines up with the games have moves that cartoonishly flatten people and stuff.

The toon force doesnt exactly come into play for the general stats though, compared to actual toon-force fighters.

If this were game versions of the characters then definitely can be considered given a lot of the training animations, but its all just non-applicable one-off gag feats for Inazuma mostly. As goofy as the premise is with the series

 

[Keeweed]

Yeah but that doesn’t mean it’s not listed, that’s why it would be limited.

 

[Secimatar]

one-off gag feats for Inazuma mostly

There are a few characters who have similar feats that they have done more than once like that cap girl can just her clothes off in an instant and below her original clothes are the clothes that she needs in the current situation.

 

[Jinx666]

There are a few characters who have similar feats that they have done more than once like that cap girl can just her clothes off in an instant and below her original clothes are the clothes that she needs in the current situation.

Thats not really toon force ngl. Taking/changing clothes in an instant is a considered feat on this wiki, and is even part of that one standard calcs page

Yeah but that doesn’t mean it’s not listed, that’s why it would be limited.

Because its pretty misleading nonetheless, the series doesnt really qualify this. Just because its animated a certain way once in a generalised anime-gag fashion doesnt really mean theres then the impression of being under toon force.

Giving Toon Force to EVERY character in the series just based on this one gag thing thats unrelated to everything is just too much tbh.

 

[Keeweed]

But it’s not misleading if it directly states in what way it is limited in. Plus it’s not a single gag, the op shows they do it constantly, it’s just small. A power being useless isn’t a reason not to list it.

 

[Jinx666]

It is misleading because it acts as if these characters actually use 'toonforce' in any meaningful way. Those points all barely qualify for Toon Force either, they're mostly just anime visual gags thay arent meant ot be taken seriously as a real thing they can do.

Its not a 'power' for them.

If you can make any anime visual gag feat getting limited toon force the norm (so for characters like Goku, Naruto etc.) then sure i guess?, but we dont need to overcrowd the powers/abilities section with stuff like that

 

[Keeweed]

What gags does dragon ball have that actually do something like toon force. I get like a face pop up not being one. But the shoving it in this case and the other ones are more so cases of it actually happening.

 

[Jinx666]

What gags does dragon ball have that actually do something like toon force. I get like a face pop up not being one. But the shoving it in this case and the other ones are more so cases of it actually happening.

Idk but theyre full of the same sorts of visual gags that anime just generally has during its comedic moments. It doesnt mean the character operates on Toon Force as an actual ability.

 

[Keeweed]

You say that with no examples at all. I don’t remember any visual gag in dragon ball that would be toon force, but the ignoring gravity for a bit, breathing fire, and physical interacting with visual fourth wall elements is toon force here. Crappy ones, but this series is like actually a comedy series which has the comedic elements be constant throughout even if it’s on the smaller side.

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, cause this is an Inazuma Eleven CRT, not Dragon Ball. Im not gonna research the entire manga and find a panel of standard anime gags for you when its irrelevant overall to this topic. They definitely exist, but clearly its not enough to constitute giving them that power. Thats literally just the style of comedy in anime.

Inazuma isnt 'actually a comedy series'?. Its a sports anime. Theres gags, like any other anime, but thats not the genre whatsoever. A series having gag feats =/= to operating on toon force for there-and-about visual gags.

 

[Keeweed]

A sports anime in the same way the games are. Ie heavily comedic outside of the nitty gritty sports part.
A series doesn’t “operate” on toon force, just do the characters show case they have it. I believe so. However, I got to go out today and we are talking in circles. You know my view on it and I know yours.

 

[Jinx666]

A sports anime in the same way the games are. Ie heavily comedic outside of the nitty gritty sports part.

Just because the premise of the anime is outlandish and goofy, it doesnt make it a comedy anime??? This doesnt qualify for toon force lmao

This also kinda proves to me how misleading putting toon force as an ability would be.

A series doesn’t “operate” on toon force, just do the characters show case they have it. I believe so. However, I got to go out today and we are talking in circles. You know my view on it and I know yours.

They dont showcase it, its just visual gags overall. Its not part of a characters own will. This is pointless to try and put through.

Unless you want to make it the norm for all anime with visual gags (but not inherently toon force anime) to get limited toon force, then it just shouldnt fly.

 

[Keeweed]

Those aren’t all visual gags though. The falls delayed and fire ones definitely aren’t. Visual gags are stuff only the audience sees.

 

[Jinx666]

No, visual gags are merely just gags having visual effects to add to the joke/slapstick.

Characters breathing fire after eating something spicy is a common trope in itself for gags lmao, as is the gravity thing. We're not about to give the entire verse toon force for their anime profiles over irrelevant things like that, its disingenuine

 

[David_Is_Goat]

So, can i call a thread moderator?

 

[FinePoint]

Could we get scans for all the abilities, please?

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Could we get scans for all the abilities, please?

Done. I linked the hissatsus pages. And, if you scroll down a bit, you will find the description of the hissatsus, which is the main reason im claiming all of that

 

[FinePoint]

Done. I linked the hissatsus pages. And, if you scroll down a bit, you will find the description of the hissatsus, which is the main reason im claiming all of that

Thank you. It mostly looks fine.

Although we should preferably use direct scans, rather than linking to another wiki.

 

[David_Is_Goat]

Thank you. It mostly looks fine.

Although we should preferably use direct scans, rather than linking to another wiki.

Ok then...

 

[David_Is_Goat]

@Jinx666 @Secimatar What about now??

 

[Shadow_x007x]

As I've said in several previous posts, I'm not sure how much use we can make of the hissatsus descriptions, as some of them seem to be exaggerations.

We all know that Hissatsus are real, people can actually interact with them, see them, and even take pictures. But sometimes when a Hissatsu is used, it affects other things, like making a hole in the soccer field… and then a few seconds later, the field just goes back to normal.

I guess the field has some kind of secret auto-repair system… or maybe it just decides to “never mind” and fixes itself. The story never really explains it, though.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Anyway, if everyone agrees after discussing it that it’s okay to explain everything with Hissatsus, I’m totally fine with that too.