Earl vs Oblivion

[Firephoenixearl]

Ikki Kurogane

vs

Yoshifumi

Speed Equal
SBA otherwise

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No u

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Why must I suffer

 

[Firephoenixearl]

For everyone's entertainment.

What can i say? Im bored? And i also realized ID vs Rakudai had never truly happened.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Sigh

So, whats stopping Yoshi from throwing his knife into the past or petrifying Ikki?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Acausality?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Im pretty sure he still has a past version of himself

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah but it's still the causality system would work in whacky ways for him.

Besides come on, that is plain causality manip you're arguing against acausality smh

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I thought that was only for Type 1?

What stops petrification then?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

How does petrification work?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He thinks and you turn into stone

 

[00potato]

Ehh Ikki just parries it.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He thinks and you turn into stone

Thinks? Just that? No attack, no set up?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

How in character is that?

Oh it seems to have pretty shit range. At that range ikki can easily blitz.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

His in-character moves are either knife or petrification, the other stuff are the ones ooc

What can Ikki do against the Type 8?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

What can Ikki do against the Type 8?

Incap? The means to incap:

Freezing
Desperado hax
Phantom Form
(in order from most in character to least in character)

Although how do you bypass their type 8? It says sage stone but what's that?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I just got a deja vu for some reason, anyway ignore that

Although how do you bypass their type 8? It says sage stone but what's that?

Its a stone that resides in a pocket dimension "inside" their bodies

 

[Firephoenixearl]

pocket dimension inside their bodies

The **** is this? Kirby?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Perhaps

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So nothing ikki can do about it huh?

But yeah ikki can incap. So it's a both can end the fight, but Ikki can do it from much further away and....i mean it's ikki he has way more stuff in certain areas (invisbility, trackless step, amps, clones, smoke screens etc).

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Great. So Ikki wins, why am I not surprised

Now I go back to my slumber

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Time to make ikki against another sage.


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

 

[00potato]

I mean Ikki won’t know about the petrifying, and if he gets into range he gets insta-killed. So why would he immediately abuse range, and know to incap immediately?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean Ikki won’t know about the petrifying, and if he gets into range he gets insta-killed. So why would he immediately abuse range, and know to incap immediately?

I mean....danger sense? And it's not like ikki doesn't use large scale stuff. He froze a whole ocean (they said sea, but it was the pacific ocean) to stop the army once.

 

[00potato]

Danger sense isn’t gonna tell him about something that abstract before it has been shown, before he even gets in range/ before it becomes a danger. (Then it will be too late though,)

This is a singular dude to Ikki, the way he treats a whole army is gonna be different to the way he treats a single dude.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Danger sense isn’t gonna tell him about something that abstract before it has been shown

It showed transformations before, i don't see why it won't show petrification. Besides ikki doesn't sense what happens, ikki senses danger itself. So he won't know it's petrification, but he will know it's dangerous af.

Not to mention he as i said has invisibility, amps, trackless step, smoke screen. So technically speaking whatever he resorts to will be a good idea most of the time.

This is a singular dude to Ikki, the way he treats a whole army is gonna be different to the way he treats a single dude.

Never said he will treat it the same way, the point was, that's still on the table.

 

[00potato]

Actually looking at the profile, he could just petrify the clones, and somehow powers? So what stops him from petrifying the smoke or Ikki’s powers.

Also if he only knows that it’s dangerous, that isn’t gonna help. He doesn’t know what range he has to avoid and he would have to react before the guy can think.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Actually looking at the profile, he could just petrify the clones, and somehow powers? So what stops him from petrifying the smoke or Ikki’s powers.

I mean, depends on what powers. Besides if he petrifies mist, or ikki's water magic, it just makes ikki more wary and not waste time.

Also if he only knows that it’s dangerous, that isn’t gonna help. He doesn’t know what range he has to avoid and he would have to react before the guy can think.

He does actually. He did that against edel, he approached her, danger sense rang then he immediately jumped out to stay safe. And a similar thing against Kuraudo, they were fighting, danger sense rang then he instinctively ducked (which was the right thing to do to avoid the strike from kuraudo).

He somehow knows how to avoid the danger once his danger sense rings.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

What if i throw Ikki at Aoi Hayanose?

 

[YungManzi]

I thought that was only for Type 1?

What stops petrification then?

Yeah; only type 1 stops paradox. Type 4 kinda needs feats for that.

And that goes double for you Earl, since you're someone who believes paradoxing shouldn't be connected to causality manipulation.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

What form of causality manip doesn't work like a paradox? Most types of causality manip are "i ****** over a cause in the past so you get f-ed over now".

 

[YungManzi]

What if i throw Ikki at Aoi Hayanose?

Ikki loses, real bad.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ikki loses, real bad.

Why?

 

[YungManzi]

What form of causality manip doesn't work like a paradox? Most types of causality manip are "i ****** over a cause in the past so you get f-ed over now".

Dude we had a whole discussion where you said we shouldn't equalize them unless the causality manipulation is already paradoxing shizz.

And as of right now, they aren't equalized.

 

[YungManzi]

Why?

Reasons. Kek.

Mostly Plot. Partially sage shizz. I won't argue it right now though, busy.

 

[00potato]

Also against edelweiss, he approaches, senses, then leaves.

He won’t have that opportunity here since he dies with a thought.

What can Ikki do without his powers? He can’t close the distance or he dies, he can’t throw his sword or that gets petrified, his powers are gone so he can’t use those. His options are limited.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Also against edelweiss, he approaches, senses, then leaves.

He doesn't get really in range though. Otherwise he would've gotten decapitated.

He can’t close the distance or he dies, he can’t throw his sword or that gets petrified, his powers are gone so he can’t use those. His options are limited.

Edel sword style or trackless step GG.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Dude we had a whole discussion where you said we shouldn't equalize them unless the causality manipulation is already paradoxing shizz.

You mean the discussion on discord? That was for whether type 1 gives resistance. Not about type 4.

Type 1 is limited cus it depends on how the causality manip works.

Type 4 is not, cus no matter how you mess with causality, what are you gonna do to a guy that exists beyond that entirely?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Mostly Plot.

Wait, isn't her plot limited? (Can only die if her death is interesting) With the rest of the things she does being fate hax?

Also i love my new pfp more than i did before. Now i look like a lunatic that is ready to make any kind of chaotic thread. This pfp has extra crackhead energy, so das good.