Dungeons and Dragons' Gods upgrade

[Udlmaster]

2-B: Multiverse level

Characters who can create and/or destroy 1001 to any higher finite number of universal 4-dimensional space-time continuums.

2-A: Multiverse level+
This category is separated in the following manner:

• Multiverse level+: Characters who can destroy and/or create a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums. Take note that the universes are technically lined up along a 5-dimensional axis, but that their geometrical size still amounts to 0 within this scale

They don't have to be infinite, just the amount be infinite and them being 4-D

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well okay then, but back to my original point. Asmeodeus only moved the Abyss as a Greater God. Like he explicitly needed the boost to do so. So he should have multiple keys either way

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I mean

alright

Just give him a base form key of 2-C.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I just realized since Asmodeus is going to be a type 1 abstract, he might be the strongest 2-C in DnD, and potentially the strongest 2-C on the whole site

 

[Qawsedf234]

We gonna do anything about the Ancient Brethren thing or is that just gonna be chalked up as a weird thing that everyone ignored

 

[Udlmaster]

The Ancient Brethren vary in power, being one doesn't really mean much. Case in point Assmeme

 

[Qawsedf234]

Asmodeus did create the multiverse in that origin, which would involve making some 5-D planes. So they'd be comparable in more than just name. Its just that afferwards the result of making the multiverse or fighting his counterpart heavily weakened him.

 

[Udlmaster]

To be fair, apparently everyone has created the Multiverse at some point, Assmode, Ao, Asgorath. (I've just realised all of them start with A hmmmmm)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well Ao only made the FR multiverse, Asgorath and the Giant God is a counterpoint though. I guess they may have more weight due to the possible LOP stuff, but it is iffy.

If we do add it maybe a theoretical tag before the tiers?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You mean "At least 2-A possibly High 2-A"?

 

[Udlmaster]

Well, if Asgorath is rated as "possibly High 2-A" that would bump all the Greater Gods to "possibly High 2-A" since they died to a Greater God.

 

[Udlmaster]

Lol, jinx, touch wood.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Inb4 Malcanthet is possibly high 2-A somehow

 

[Qawsedf234]

You mean "At least 2-A possibly High 2-A"?

More like "Theortically High 2A (Created the multiverse which has at least 3 infinite 5-D planes), possibly higher (Could be comparable to the Lady of Pain and the Serpent)

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

If it's questionable we use "Possibly" to rate it

 

[Udlmaster]

the "Theortically" would be "possibly", also, I'd remove the LoP part, as she's not comfirmed to be a Ancient Breathoren. And to be honest, I don't think Assmodulation is comparable to the LoP at all, considering I doubt he's anywhere near Supreme Greater God Vecna.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wasn't 2-A Vecna supposed to be "At least 2-A, would eventually become High 2-A" a while ago?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Then just Possibly High 2A. Assuming the key is accepted

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wasn't 2-A Vecna supposed to be "At least 2-A, would eventually become High 2-A" a while ago?

I think he would just get a new key, since Overgod Vecna is a upgraded form rather than a rating he would reach naturally.

 

[Udlmaster]

I don't see why not?

Unless it's dismissed as an Outlier, but I don't see anything saying the Gods aren't 5-D

Also, Qa, I picked up Immortals Rule Set, how come the Immortals are High 2-A? In the book it states them to be 4-D beings?

 

[Qawsedf234]

They're 4-D but tap into 5-D power, like how humans are 3-D but tap into 4-D power (which are how spells are used). Also they can make 5-D spaces

> Unless it's dismissed as an Outlier, but I don't see anything saying the Gods aren't 5-D

They have no concrete feats on that level and the stuff they do have is contradictory.

 

[Udlmaster]

Is there anything that says they cannot be 5-D?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Why is Asgorath High 2-A, exactly? Thought we agreed Dragon Creation myths weren't reliable and could be discounted.

 

[Qawsedf234]

No, but there's equally nothing saying they are 5-D. AB Asmodeus does have more backing since he existed before the multiverse, while everyone else existed after it formed.

 

[Udlmaster]

Why is Asgorath High 2-A, exactly? Thought we agreed Dragon Creation myths weren't reliable and could be discounted.

Well, to be fair, they can be trusted as an alternate begining of the Multiverse.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Why is Asgorath High 2-A, exactly? Thought we agreed Dragon Creation myths weren't reliable and could be discounted.

The idea is that since he made the Multiverse he made 5-D spaces.

I was saying that AB Amsodeus is the only really valid guess as a multiverse creator, as dozens of sources say that Gods came after the multiverse had been created

 

[Mr. Bambu]

But he didn't inherently do that. Like at all. And Asmodeus probably didn't make the multiverse either, IIRC there are demon lords that existed before it was made, too.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah. The AB Asmodeus thing isn't fully supported either. Which is why I said the possibly rating should be added if the key was accepted.

Archdevil | Greater God | True Form

Basically. But the first two keys should be used if nothing else

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So any High 2-A Greater Deity stuff is unfounded, let's move on.