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Dragon Ball speed upgrades

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XXKINGXX69 said:
Goku could have aim dodged that. We don't see if he jumped before or after the bullet was fired
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He still dodges bullets after they were fired in the anime which to my understanding is supplementary to the manga

And really all you have is an assumption hence the "could have" which isn't a debunk on top of the fact of how its presented even in the anime
 
Dalesean027 said:
He still dodges bullets after they were fired in the anime which to my understanding is supplementary to the manga

And really all you have is an assumption hence the "could have" which isn't a debunk to how its presented even in the anime
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You should calc the anime feat then, it would be allowed

And really all you have is an assumption hence the "could have" which isn't a debunk to how its presented even in the anime
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You also assumed he dodged after it was fired
 
TioKill said:
There's no indication Goku aimdodged that, in the slightest. This is fine
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In the manga, there's no indication he dodged it after it was fired

Dalesean027 said:
I literally had the clip on hand of how it's presented and we know the anime is supplementary material, how is that an assumption
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Everything is an assumption. The manga itself doesn't if he dodged after it was fired or before, only the anime makes it clear that its after. So why not use the anime calc?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
In the manga, there's no indication he dodged it after it was fired.
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The anime shows he dodged it after it was fired, thus, in the manga - if there's no contradiction - that's what happened too.
End of the story.

We use primary canon if possible, it's possible here, the distance is very calculable, so no, we're not using the Anime calc. Hope that cleared your concerns, have a great day.
 
TioKill said:
The anime shows he dodged it after it was fired, thus, in the manga - if there's no contradiction - that's what happened too.
End of the story.

We use primary canon if possible, it's possible here, the distance is very calculable, so no, we're not using the Anime calc. Hope that cleared your concerns, have a great day.
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The anime distance is also calculable. If you use primary canon if possible, then why use anime instead of manga to determine if the feat is not aimdodging or not? This is circular logic
 
NGL using the anime to assume it's not aimdodging but then using the manga to calc does seem like Texas Sharpshooter to me. I'm in agreement with King here at the moment.
 
DivineAura44 said:
NGL using the anime to assume it's not aimdodging but then using the manga to calc does seem like Texas Sharpshooter to me. I'm in agreement with King here at the moment.
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I mean we have the anime calc too but either way again as said prior the anime is supplementary evidence and just saying "it could've been" isn't a debunk
 
Dalesean027 said:
I mean we have the anime calc too but either way again as said prior the anime is supplementary evidence and just saying "it could've been" isn't a debunk
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"It could've been" is him making an equal interpretation, the possibility that he aim dodged. Because you are making the positive claim that it wasn't, (because this thread couldn't exist if you think it is aim dodging) you need to supply evidence that it wasn't aim dodging. It's much simpler to just use the anime.
 
DivineAura44 said:
Dale you are proving my point. If we already have a consistent anime calc why even have this one???
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Shit mine is cooler that's why nah I'm jk but look I just did the calc and thought I'd do a CRT for it 😭😭

If it's that contentious then we can use the anime one it's only a couple m/s lower anyways
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
The anime distance is also calculable.
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The manga takes priority over the anime, as said before.
XXKINGXX69 said:
If you use primary canon if possible, then why use anime instead of manga to determine if the feat is not aimdodging or not? This is circular logic
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It is not. You quoted me right, "primary canon IF POSSIBLE", it is not possible to determine whether or not Goku was moving before or after the bullet was shot, thus, allowing us to take the context of the official adaptation to clarify.

You seem confused. Just because we take one element from the Anime (context or timeframe), doesn't mean we have to calculate the entire feat using solely the Anime, especially if the Manga is usable for other factors.
 
DivineAura44 said:
NGL using the anime to assume it's not aimdodging but then using the manga to calc does seem like Texas Sharpshooter to me. I'm in agreement with King here at the moment.
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That is ridiculous.

The manga takes priority, always. UNLESS when it cannot provide us with enough context. The Anime is secondary canon, if it's not aim dodge there, then we can determine it's not aim dodging on the manga. That's where the Anime is needed, and when it stops being needed. Manga takes priority again for accurate depictions of movement and distances. It's not that hard, nor is it that deep. Seriously.
 
TioKill said:
The manga takes priority over the anime, as said before.

It is not. You quoted me right, "primary canon IF POSSIBLE", it is not possible to determine whether or not Goku was moving before or after the bullet was shot, thus, allowing us to take the context of the official adaptation to clarify.

You seem confused. Just because we take one element from the Anime (context or timeframe), doesn't mean we have to calculate the entire feat using solely the Anime, especially if the Manga is usable for other factors.
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If the manga takes priority over anime, then you can't use anime to prove he wasn't aimdodging

So you're only allowed to take context of official adaptations for finding out if something is aimdodging and you can't use it for calcs? What is this double standard?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
If the manga takes priority over anime, then you can't use anime to prove he wasn't aimdodging

So you're only allowed to take context of official adaptations for finding out if something is aimdodging and you can't use it for calcs? What is this double standard?
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This is stonewalling. Priority is momentarily ceased once the manga is incapable of proving enough context for the calculation - thus allowing us for us to take said context from the Anime, which is a lesser canon. I've explained this twice, and you still repeat the same complaint over and over again, disregarding the explanation.

We're allowed to use or calculate the Anime version, but the Manga version's distance and movement scaling takes priority, since it does provide visual context for scaling, the manga version would be superior. You'd need to find a reason to discard the manga version entirely - aim dodging is not a reason FRA.

Please stop repeating yourself and stomping your feet on the same debunked complaint.
 
TioKill said:
This is stonewalling. Priority is momentarily ceased once the manga is incapable of proving enough context for the calculation - thus allowing us for us to take said context from the Anime, which is a lesser canon. I've explained this twice, and you still repeat the same complaint over and over again, disregarding the explanation.

We're allowed to use or calculate the Anime version, but the Manga version's distance and movement scaling takes priority, since it does provide visual context for scaling, the manga version would be superior. You'd need to find a reason to discard the manga version entirely - aim dodging is not a reason FRA.

Please stop repeating yourself and stomping your feet on the same debunked complaint.
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Why does priority cease once the manga can't prove more context? What is this arbitrary rule you just made up? The anime also provides visual context.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Why does priority cease once the manga can't prove more context? What is this arbitrary rule you just made up?
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King, I understand you have trouble making the slightest attempt at the act of thinking, but please do it -
Why do you think we have properties? "Primary" canon, "Secondary" canon.

The primary canon can be aided by the secondary canon, when it can no longer prove enough information about a particular feat.
The priority ceases to exist for this piece of information because it's literally impossible to proceed in the manga alone.
XXKINGXX69 said:
The anime also provides visual context.
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The Manga takes priority over the Anime. If two canons have comparable visual context, the primary canon wins, always. The anime just cleared one doubt we had, it is no longer going to be used


I've had to explain basic logic over and over again. I hope you won't bother this thread again.
 
TioKill said:
King, I understand you have trouble making the slightest attempt at the act of thinking, but please do it -
Why do you think we have properties? "Primary" canon, "Secondary" canon.

The primary canon can be aided by the secondary canon, when it can no longer prove enough information about a particular feat.
The priority ceases to exist for this piece of information because it's literally impossible to proceed in the manga alone.

The Manga takes priority over the Anime. If two canons have comparable visual context, the primary canon wins, always. The anime just cleared one doubt we had, it is no longer going to be used


I've had to explain basic logic over and over again. I hope you won't bother this thread again.
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The primary canon can be aided by the secondary canon, when it can no longer prove enough information about a particular feat.
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Another arbitrary rule you made up

The primary canon can be aided by the secondary canon, when it can no longer prove enough information about a particular feat.
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If its impossible, why not just say you don't know how to interpret it?

The Manga takes priority over the Anime. If two canons have comparable visual context, the primary canon wins, always. The anime just cleared one doubt we had, it is no longer going to be used
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Sure, and the manga doesn't confirm if its aimdodging or not, therefore we use the manga, so the feat can't be used as it isn't clear
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Another arbitrary rule you made up
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"When different source materials give different versions of the same feat, and by that they contradict each other in the depiction of the feat, the primary canon takes precedence over the secondary canon.

If the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat. Should different results be reached by judging the feat through multiple canons, the result of the primary canon will have priority."
— Canon

We can use multiple canons to judge the same feat. We can use information of two different media of the same canon. I can use the context of the anime, and calculate the manga version. The primary version's result takes priority even if the Anime's context is used. It's not a made up rule.

Now please CEASE AND DESIST.
 
Vizer04 said:
We won't upgrade Goku to 9-A+ though, that feat is only for supporting consistency. We will upgrade him to 8-C.
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My calc for 21st budokai goku has high 8-C and 8-C results 🗿
 
TioKill said:
That is ridiculous.

The manga takes priority, always. UNLESS when it cannot provide us with enough context. The Anime is secondary canon, if it's not aim dodge there, then we can determine it's not aim dodging on the manga. That's where the Anime is needed, and when it stops being needed. Manga takes priority again for accurate depictions of movement and distances. It's not that hard, nor is it that deep. Seriously.
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That's the definition of Texas Sharpshooter...
TioKill said:
King, I understand you have trouble making the slightest attempt at the act of thinking, but please do it -
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Watch your ******* mouth when you talk to King like that or anyone for that matter. You've been warned multiple times about your condescending tone. I personally refrained from reporting you from other threads because I didn't want to see you get reported again as I know others who talk exactly like you but dodge repercussions for being productive members. However you keep getting chances and you keep getting warned but you proceed with talking to people like that. I swear if I see you make another comment like this your going straight to RVR.
 
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DivineAura44 said:
I've made my argument, I doubt I'll need to say anything more. I'll be watching but I've effectively unfollowed.
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That is fine apologies things went like that it seems we'll need a staff verdict but if the rule TioKill posted above is valid then it seems using my calc will be fine and it's already been accepted but we'll see
 
DivineAura44 said:
That's the definition of Texas Sharpshooter...
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Multiple canons can be used to judge the same feat, and we don't have to commit to one version because a single element is taken from it, that's a written rule.

It's not even feasible to make a fair argument as to how that's a bad thing in the first place - feat lacks context due to media limitations, other media aids that, the feat is now usable. It's perfectly fine.
DivineAura44 said:
Watch your ******* mouth when you talk to King like that
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Seems like King is your friend by how personal you're taking this - the very emotional "watch your ******* mouth" seems to be baiting a reaction out of me - that's pretty sad. Stop getting angry over internet debates before telling me how to act.
 
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