Dragon Ball Speed Downgrade

[Antvasima]

Please immediately stop quoting each other. It makes the thread much harder to read.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

No it's rounding do you even know what the real distance is?

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, it is extremely unlikely that we downgrade Dragon Ball, with no better alternative options. We have a far too busy schedule to handle anything more.

 

[AppleLord]

Kaioken is a direct multiplier with direct statements of it multiplying speed.
Which was AT more likely meaning when he said "multiplies speed": The KaioKen x3 multiplies by 3, or by 1.235242524?

It shouldn't be used. Using a multiplier on the result of one calculation is calc stacking.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

No it's not apple it's straight forward and consistent it's not calc stacking

 

[AppleLord]

Actually, no. This is not calc stacking. Clac stacking is taking a claculation and using its high-end results (for example) to form another calculation.

You're using the result of the calc with Kaio-ken multiplier to form another calculaion. I don't know where did you get that High-end result from. Calc stacking

 

[AppleLord]

Anyway, it is extremely unlikely that we downgrade Dragon Ball, with no better alternative options. We have a far too busy schedule to handle anything more.

I understand that the mods are too busy, but isn't just to attempt to a problem before is too late. Not downgrading Dragon Ball because there are no better alternative options, sounds more like a bias opinion towards not wanting to downgrade the verse, instead of finding the accurate solution. That's how I understood your answered, I know you're trying to be as unbiased as possible, I don't mean to critic anyone, but I'm just not getting that.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

@Apple No one here agrees with you most people so far have not thought of using Kaioken as calc stacking as its clearly said to multiply and isn't inconsistent.

 

[Sidali891]

This is the calculation used for Namek Saga FTL speeds. This is the calculation used for Namek Saga FTL speeds.

The final result was 1.06c for base form. Apply Kaioken and you get FTL+ Goku. Thus, FTL+ SSJ Goku.

 

[Antoniofer]

All the kaiken and SS multipliers aside, I think that there's no problem with the moon calc; however, I noticed that in Frieza calc was assumed the distance of 1 m, can't see the exact distance, but the beams had already cover like twice Frieza's length and Goku still can't be see. There's anothet panel where the distance between the two can be see it?

 

[AppleLord]

@Apple No one here agrees with you most people so far have not thought of using Kaioken as calc stacking as its clearly said to multiply and isn't inconsistent.

Fallacy Number 5: Appeal to Popularity

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy

Is not if they agree or not. If something is wrong it has to be fixed. Kaio-ken is Calc stacking even if people think is not.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

lol Kaio-Ken isnt calc stacking its a boost in power and speed

 

[AppleLord]

This is the calculation used for Namek Saga FTL speeds. This is the calculation used for Namek Saga FTL speeds.
The final result was 1.06c for base form. Apply Kaioken and you get FTL+ Goku. Thus, FTL+ SSJ Goku.

I already debunked this above, posting again and again will do you nothing. I've been reading all comments so far.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

but its not its one of gokus moves that double speed if you were in a vs thread and the speed came from a calc dose that mean you cant use kaioken in the thread becuse it would be calc stacking?

 

[Antvasima]

I also do not think that an explicit in-story multiplier is calc stacking.

Also, you have a history as a troublemaker AppleLord/HokageMangaVox. I would appreciate if you permanently stop trying to stir things up.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I also do not think that an explicit in-story multiplier is calc stacking.

Also, you have a history as a troublemaker AppleLord/HokageMangaVox. I would appreciate if you permanently stop trying to stir things up.

dose that mean the rules should say in story multiplyers arnt calc stacking as long as there not absurd and inconsistent?

 

[AppleLord]

lol Kaio-Ken isnt calc stacking its a boost in power and speed

Let me get this straight, you're saying that using the result of one calc, and adding Kaio-ken multiplier to form another calculaion is not calc staking?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

yes becuse its an in story multiplyer

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Apple Using the speed from a kaio-ken multiplier in another calculation is calc stacking but applying the multiplier to a pre-calculated speed is not calc ctacking

 

[Darkmon_cns]

by your logic apple any form or bost with a known percent increase would not be used if the base speed came form a calc

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I don't see how it is, Kaioken literally boosts the users stats by a certain amount. So we are pretty much multiplying the results by said Kaioken mulipliers I believe.

 

[Antvasima]

Again, we are not going to downgrade the Dragon Ball characters after all of the immense amounts of trouble that surrounded finding ways to scale them.

I will close this thread. I would appreciate if you immediately and permanently drop this topic.