Like I said in january (forgot where), normally the 2nd world of the daimakai is bigger than most people think because the planet of megaths has the size of a dwarf star considering the inhabitants are as big as small mountains and since they have buildings (schools and stores at least) and institutions that are proportional to their height the planet MUST very very big. And since gigath are even bigger (possibly 1000 times) therefore there planet is possibily super red giant star in size. And we know 2nd world of daimakai is smaller than the third one and yet if there is a list of most dangerous planets for that 2nd world alone it most likely mean 2nd world of daimakai alone is at least a multi solar system structure (possibly more). I agree it makes Goku's kamehameha that crossed all worlds is a good speed feat. Regarding that SSJ4 multiplier since there is no x 10 from oozaru the multiplier is not known yet (unless official reply to that at one point). However the two most logical things to do regarding that are either to assume it's at least x 4 or say it might be x 8 (since it seems to double with each new form).
I still don't get how people so easily believe daima is canon because the only "argument" so far is "lol retcon". I'm sorry, but disregarding the
chronologylike that changes so many things. Saying events that took place 5 millions of years ago now took place max 1000 years ago while the original manga states they took "place long ago way before human civilization" (which is more than 1000 years ago) is not normal. It's just non canon until real proof is brought that shows it is, like a person officially in charge of DB that states it was retconned, because it's gonna take a little more than "lol retcon" to convince me any of that is canon. Especially since it's at the very least non canon to DBS (even though it tries by mentioning U7 and showing kais from other universes who appeared in DBS) due to Goku not using SSJ4 vs Beerus and to Kibitoshin (while daima's final ep still shows Shin and Kibito as two different persons). The weirdest part in all of that that me trying to use the manga and other things to explain why I do not consider it canon somewhat has less credibility than people just saying "lol retcon". So perhaps there is an update like someone from Toei who said Daima is canon and I'm not aware of that? If not, I'm curious to know what makes the majority of people think it was retconned.
Ah a bit off topic but Daima Piccolo is way stronger than buu saga Piccolo because he managed to one shot Degesu with a physical attack (not even a ki blast) while he was in his kid form. For the reminder, buu saga Piccolo feared Shin's power and was scared of him. It's logical to assume Degesu is comparable to Shin. So kid form Daima Piccolo one shotting Degesu def shows he became a lot stronger in a matter of months.
Also does anyone else think Majin Kuu has impressive speed since he calculated that thing from Tamagami #1 so quickly and sinc he read an entire book in a few seconds (or what's perceived by characters like Arinsu as such)? Let's also not disregard he managed to buy chocolate for majin duu so quickly he immediately came back after leaving.
