• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Dragon Ball Calc Addition

Status
Not open for further replies.
Am I missing something, or doesn't one of the votes disagree with it being able to be used for lifting strength, though?
 
There should probably be a Calc Group Thread to decide if this is actually a LS feat or not. Or at least notify some Calc Group Members to get their input.

Personally I'm neutral but I could see some arguments for why it wouldn't so we shouldn't rush to grace to apply this.
 
There should probably be a Calc Group Thread to decide if this is actually a LS feat or not. Or at least notify some Calc Group Members to get their input.

Personally I'm neutral but I could see some arguments for why it wouldn't so we shouldn't rush to grace to apply this.
We have gone through this before, so I will just quote what @LephyrTheRevanchist said:
 
We have gone through this before, so I will just quote what @LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Leph said the same thing I did. This requires a Calc Group Thread, which is why I'm confused why a Content Revision Thread was made first. Especially when the Calc Group Member in the blog itself was unsure if the feat in question counts as a Lifting Strength feat. This should be put on hold until then.
 
Leph said the same thing I did. This requires a Calc Group Thread, which is why I'm confused why a Content Revision Thread was made first. Especially when the Calc Group Member in the blog itself was unsure if the feat in question counts as a Lifting Strength feat. This should be put on hold until then.
Very Well. Lets get some CGM in here.
 
There should probably be a Calc Group Thread to decide if this is actually a LS feat or not. Or at least notify some Calc Group Members to get their input.

Personally I'm neutral but I could see some arguments for why it wouldn't so we shouldn't rush to grace to apply this.
@TheRustyOne @Damage3245 @Therefir @SeijiSetto

Thoughts on this feat being applicable to Lifting Strength?


HnZK3rp.jpeg

Z7f4TCc.jpeg
 
Last edited:
Leph said the same thing I did. This requires a Calc Group Thread, which is why I'm confused why a Content Revision Thread was made first. Especially when the Calc Group Member in the blog itself was unsure if the feat in question counts as a Lifting Strength feat. This should be put on hold until then.
I meant, challenging the idea that these could be use for LS is what would require a CG thread.

Edit: Like, in general. But my comment was in reference to specifically crushing feats. Don't know why Legendarium brought it here.
 
Thoughts on this feat being applicable to Lifting Strength?
I'm... kind of uncertain. For one thing, I'm not fully sure on the calc's method but assuming everything is legit there for a moment; Goku was still evidently overwhelmed by the energy ball attack and unable to stop himself from being pushed through several cubic meters of rock. And when he did "stop" it, it was by redirecting the ball so that it continued moving in a different direction. Shoving something to the side or upwards is going to be a bit easier than counteracting it directly and stopping it.
 
I'm... kind of uncertain. For one thing, I'm not fully sure on the calc's method but assuming everything is legit there for a moment; Goku was still evidently overwhelmed by the energy ball attack and unable to stop himself from being pushed through several cubic meters of rock. And when he did "stop" it, it was by redirecting the ball so that it continued moving in a different direction. Shoving something to the side or upwards is going to be a bit easier than counteracting it directly and stopping it.
The anime (9:47 to 10:07) does shows he managed to stop it for a time before changing the blasts direction, so I think it's fine.

Per our canon page:
If the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat.

Since both instances align, I'd say is fair to use to show Goku did stop the blast from pushing him, although with great struggle.
 
The anime (9:47 to 10:07) does shows he managed to stop it for a time before changing the blasts direction, so I think it's fine.

Per our canon page:


Since both instances align, I'd say is fair to use to show Goku did stop the blast from pushing him, although with great struggle.
Well, I think I would say that Goku seemingly stopping it there is not so much to do with his strength as it is to do with the rock wall at his back providing him with some support and leverage. Which is why when he first slams into it, he initially stops moving until the energy ball overcomes the durability of the rock.
 
Well, I think I would say that Goku seemingly stopping it there is not so much to do with his strength as it is to do with the rock wall at his back providing him with some support and leverage. Which is why when he first slams into it, he initially stops moving until the energy ball overcomes the durability of the rock.
Goku still stopped it until he redirected it, so he would still scale to the forces behind it. In fact, the fact the rock wall failed at all shows it's not its assistance at the end working against the force, rather Goku himself finally exerting enough counterforce to stop for enough time to be able to redirect it.
 
Goku still stopped it until he redirected it, so he would still scale to the forces behind it. In fact, the fact the rock wall failed at all shows it's not its assistance at the end working against the force, rather Goku himself finally exerting enough counterforce to stop for enough time to be able to redirect it.
That'd be a case for downscaling at best I'd say, not fully scaling to it.

Also, does the fact that the feat was performed over time have any bearing of it? It's not like that surface area of rock was sheared all at once.
 
Also, does the fact that the feat was performed over time have any bearing of it? It's not like that surface area of rock was sheared all at once.
Doesn't the formula already take that into account? Since the energy is displaced over the entire area affected, and the results is what Goku contended with at the end of the push.
 
That'd be a case for downscaling at best I'd say, not fully scaling to it.

Also, does the fact that the feat was performed over time have any bearing of it? It's not like that surface area of rock was sheared all at once.
My method accounts for that. It uses work, which is force over distance. The result in Joules was divided by the distance Goku was pushed back before he could overpower it enough to push it away (Which is why me and KLOL suggested it in the first place).
 
Don't disagree with the calc (or this being added to the profile), but shouldn't this CRT also address the consistency and the many many anti-feats sprinkled throughout Dragon Ball? Because I assume that's a major reason for Goku having unknown LS for such a long time. But if it doesn't get addressed here, someone will inevitably make a downgrade CRT. So it's better to nip it in the bud before it becomes a problem. It should also mention (Although it's obvious) what key this scales to. In this case Namek Saga Goku.
 
Don't disagree with the calc (or this being added to the profile), but shouldn't this CRT also address the consistency and the many many anti-feats sprinkled throughout Dragon Ball? Because I assume that's a major reason for Goku having unknown LS for such a long time. But if it doesn't get addressed here, someone will inevitably make a downgrade CRT. So it's better to nip it in the bud before it becomes a problem. It should also mention (Although it's obvious) what key this scales to. In this case Namek Saga Goku.
Here's the anti-feats btw
Dragon Ball: Goku trains by walking around with 200+ pound weights while everyone else can barely lift a fraction of it.
Dragon Ball Z: Goku is forced to be able to work under 6 Tons in the gravity room on his way to Namek.
Dragon Ball Z: Vegeta asks Bulma's father to make a room that will make him 18 tons which is a shock to Dr Brief since Goku was barely doing 6 tons and Vegeta was doing 3 times that amount.
Dragon Ball Z: Vegeta says that 9 tons is too much for Base Trunks..
Dragon Ball Z: Goku Fails to Lift 40 tons in base and needs a transformation to do it, saying that 10 tons on each limb is heavy.
Dragon Ball Super: Vegeta warms up with 9 tons.
Dragon Ball Super: Vegeta can't lift a man who weighs 1000 tons in his super saiyan state.
They're all below the currently accepted Class M as ya can see.
 
To be honest part of this may come down to a fact that while we might see Goku trying to hold off an energy ball as a "Lifting Strength feat", to an author something like lifting a set of weights clearly labelled as 40 tons may be more of an explicit display of "lifting strength".

We should compare feats of Goku actually lifting things to his anti-feats of lifting things.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top