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Doomsday vs. Kid Buu
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1.The A.P difference wasn't the sameAdem Warlock69 said:
2. The bits they were ╠Âv╠Âa╠Âp╠Âi╠Ân╠Âg╠ zapping were not being blasted with enough energy to destroy them outright, as they produced smoke (although it is valid that you could be saying he would have to use his energy projection instead of fire-breath here. touché)
3. IIRC, he survived their initial attack because it was an explosion that blew his bits everywhere, giving him time to regenerate.
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Well I was just showing that Buu can Regenerate from being burned, that's the reason he has mid-High Regen in the first place, so doomsday would need something that destroys him in an atomic level to kill him,and the AP difference doesn't change anything.
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Kid Buu is 1,684.8 KiloFOE or at least 842.4 KiloFOE
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Yes it does...
1. Time is important when it comes to regen. Buu regen is really fast and really efficient. but if he can't withstand the attack long enough to regenerate, he can't survive the attack
2. A.P is the only way you get past regen at this level, that or time (it was both of which killied him)
3. If Doomsday can't kill him this way, then he doesn't have a way, therefore making this a stomp.
1. Time is important when it comes to regen. Buu regen is really fast and really efficient. but if he can't withstand the attack long enough to regenerate, he can't survive the attack
2. A.P is the only way you get past regen at this level, that or time (it was both of which killied him)
3. If Doomsday can't kill him this way, then he doesn't have a way, therefore making this a stomp.
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1. Buu was completely burned against Gotenks, then he Regenerated from the Vapor, so unless you can destroy all his atoms, he would come back somehow.
2. I dunno about that, The Spirit Bomb killed him because it destroyed all his atoms, a.k.a something he can't regenerate from, that's why he died.
3. This is a stomp
2. I dunno about that, The Spirit Bomb killed him because it destroyed all his atoms, a.k.a something he can't regenerate from, that's why he died.
3. This is a stomp
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Huh? The scaling chain for Kid Buu is not high enough for him to be hundreds of times stronger than Cell, several times sure but not hundreds of times, we don't accept him being that high currently.Adem Warlock69 said:
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Fam. I said that would scale to Super Buu and up. Kid Buu would be 4.212 KiloFOE at best.Adem Warlock69 said:
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But Kid Buu > Super Buu ThoZamasu Chan said:
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Fam. I said that would scale to Super Buu and up. Kid Buu would be 4.212 KiloFOE at best.
But Kid Buu > Super Buu Tho
It was contradicted far too many times.
But Kid Buu > Super Buu Tho
It was contradicted far too many times.
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Gonna be frank here, our JLA and DC profiles are a mess and most of the times Doomsday fought Superman was when Supes himself was much weaker.
Superman at the time of Death of Superman was knocked out cold by Starbeaker's attack "with the destructive force of a nova" (Not a supernova mind you, but a classical nova which is only 1e37 joules or 5-A range) and Superman being in the range of the suneater implosion (Gonna note that the power of a suneater explosion depends on the star it feeds. There is no proof here it ate such a large star to replicate the 50x kepler supernova as in the action comics #847 and was just called a normal sun) which would be High 4-C and maybe ~50 foe if you scale AC#847. The most you can have is still somewhere in the lower 4-B range with John Stewart tanking the Xanshi star destruction feat.
Superman during Hunter/Prey had gained no new feats. He did state 1,000,000x nukes was his limit (And to be frank, those three feats I listed above were the great exception, not the norm)
Superman during the time of the Doomsday Wars would maybe scale to Green Lantern who in DC One Million #4 caused the planetoid-sized stellar computer Solaris to gain mass and go supernova. However Green Lantern, in order to do this, used so much willpower and effort it caused him to hemorrhage in pain and was failing to hold it in until Kal-Kent (AKA 4-A Superman Descendant) to aid him with his force vision. There also Flash's IMP but that only scales to him at this time, and he never used it on Doomsday.
And by the time Superman started getting his multi-hundreds foe feats, this was after Infinite Crisis and he had left Doomsday in the dust, well until Doomslayer came but Doomslayer isn't even in his profile yet for some reason.
Realistically, even if we accept Superman as deep in 4-B, even Flash with IMP, Doomsday fought versions of Superman who were much weaker at the time and most generously hovered around high 4-C to 4-B.
Superman at the time of Death of Superman was knocked out cold by Starbeaker's attack "with the destructive force of a nova" (Not a supernova mind you, but a classical nova which is only 1e37 joules or 5-A range) and Superman being in the range of the suneater implosion (Gonna note that the power of a suneater explosion depends on the star it feeds. There is no proof here it ate such a large star to replicate the 50x kepler supernova as in the action comics #847 and was just called a normal sun) which would be High 4-C and maybe ~50 foe if you scale AC#847. The most you can have is still somewhere in the lower 4-B range with John Stewart tanking the Xanshi star destruction feat.
Superman during Hunter/Prey had gained no new feats. He did state 1,000,000x nukes was his limit (And to be frank, those three feats I listed above were the great exception, not the norm)
Superman during the time of the Doomsday Wars would maybe scale to Green Lantern who in DC One Million #4 caused the planetoid-sized stellar computer Solaris to gain mass and go supernova. However Green Lantern, in order to do this, used so much willpower and effort it caused him to hemorrhage in pain and was failing to hold it in until Kal-Kent (AKA 4-A Superman Descendant) to aid him with his force vision. There also Flash's IMP but that only scales to him at this time, and he never used it on Doomsday.
And by the time Superman started getting his multi-hundreds foe feats, this was after Infinite Crisis and he had left Doomsday in the dust, well until Doomslayer came but Doomslayer isn't even in his profile yet for some reason.
Realistically, even if we accept Superman as deep in 4-B, even Flash with IMP, Doomsday fought versions of Superman who were much weaker at the time and most generously hovered around high 4-C to 4-B.
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@FanofRPGs really not the place. Make a CRT, don't keep doing this on random threads.
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Well...
1)Buff Buu then transforms into Kid Buu in which results in Goku and Vegeta saying "We Can Take Him" now according to most that line means that Kid Buu is weaker than Buff Buu because Goku and Vegeta were confident in taking Kid Buu down.
WRONG
According to the Japanese translation literally from Herms, Goku and Vegeta were talking about his SIZE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Buu reverts to his pure form
Goku: "…"
Vegeta: "……Heh…Hehehehe…Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something."
Note: "He's shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Buu's body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Buu's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.
2)Kid buu can't be stronger than Super buu, as Goku was able to keep up with him
Buu is clearly lollygagging
more evidence for Kid buu being the strongest
Buu is stated in the Daizenshuu to be the strongest Buu
1)Buff Buu then transforms into Kid Buu in which results in Goku and Vegeta saying "We Can Take Him" now according to most that line means that Kid Buu is weaker than Buff Buu because Goku and Vegeta were confident in taking Kid Buu down.
WRONG
According to the Japanese translation literally from Herms, Goku and Vegeta were talking about his SIZE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Buu reverts to his pure form
Goku: "…"
Vegeta: "……Heh…Hehehehe…Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something."
Note: "He's shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Buu's body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Buu's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.
2)Kid buu can't be stronger than Super buu, as Goku was able to keep up with him
Buu is clearly lollygagging
more evidence for Kid buu being the strongest
Buu is stated in the Daizenshuu to be the strongest Buu
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GOODNESS NO!!!!!Adem Warlock69 said:
You took the statements wrong, he is the most dangerous because he is not in a proper state of mind to negotiate or communicate with. He would slaughter anything and everything that breathed thats why he was the most dangerous. Literally Goku and Vegeta are both going off of the same power they had right before they fused into Vegito, there is no FRICKEN way SSJ3 Goku, who struggled against Bootenks in the anime and didn't even want to take him on in the manga, got so damn strong that he felt that he and Vegeta by themselves were strong enough to compete againt a mindless enitity that is worst than FRICKEN Ultimate Gohan absorbed Super Buu. That literally makes no sense.
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Not too mention, right after Goku and Vegeta freed everyone and depowered Buu back down to his base Super Buu state, Goku notes that he and Vegeta are still no match for him.
So, how would Goku from that to being able to fight Kid Buu, if Kid is even stronger?
So, how would Goku from that to being able to fight Kid Buu, if Kid is even stronger?
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But they don't state "The most dangerous" or "the most destructive", they state "the most powerful",and Goku and Vegeta underestimated Kid buu, two times.
first when they first show him...
Context: after Buu reverts to his pure form
Goku: "…"
Vegeta: "……Heh…Hehehehe…Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something."
Note: "He's shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Buu's body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Buu's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here
and second when they were fighting him
Vegeta: "the truth is you were right, that buu is stronger than I imagined..."
first when they first show him...
Context: after Buu reverts to his pure form
Goku: "…"
Vegeta: "……Heh…Hehehehe…Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something."
Note: "He's shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Buu's body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Buu's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here
and second when they were fighting him
Vegeta: "the truth is you were right, that buu is stronger than I imagined..."
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Who CARES about the AP scaling ?
Doomday would need to be millions of times stronger to atomize via sheer AP, so it doesn't matter
Buu has Mid-High Regen and trasmuation+asborbtion to win, so this match is a stomp
Doomday would need to be millions of times stronger to atomize via sheer AP, so it doesn't matter
Buu has Mid-High Regen and trasmuation+asborbtion to win, so this match is a stomp
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I CARE.Overlord775 said:
Because there's a ton of people out there who are convinced that Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu. Constantly spreading that kind of misinformation is not good and allowing it to go unanswered is also not good.
The scenes surrounding Kid Buu's emergence is full contradictory information, however, feats and statements from the characters themselves, especially Goku, give us a clear understanding.
1. After Goku and Vegeta rescue the others and depower Buuhan down to regular Super Buu, he notes they're still not strong enough to fight him i spite of the fact that he's weaker than before. This is made worse by the fact that Vegeta destroyed one of the Potara and refused to do the fusion dance. Goku would later even yell at him for destroying the earring.
2. Goku was confident that they didn't need to fuse do beat Kid Buu. After fighting Kid Buu as a SSJ3, he later tells Vegeta that he could beat Kid at full power. However, he's not able to achieve full power due to the energy constraints of SSJ3.
3. When Super Buu becomes Buff Buu, he's noted to have become stronger before he shrinks back down to Kid Buu. If Kid Buu retained that power, it makes NO SENSE for Goku and Vegeta to make jokes or degrading comments about him condsidering the big deal Goku made about Super Buu's level of superiority. Furthermore, it wouldn't make sense for Kid Buu to be stronger than Buff Buu because Buff Buu is Kid Buu + Southern Supreme Kai. So that would mean that Buu absorbed someone that ended up making him weaker. Seems a tad odd to me...
Fact of the matter is, Goku straight says he can't beat Super Buu and after fighting Kid Buu, says that he could have beat him at full power, which he tried to achieve only for SSJ3 to drain all his stamina.
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1. I do not know how this proves he's weaker than Super Buu
2. Goku then states Buu was supressed and was lollygagging all this time.
3. Vegeta: "……Heh…Hehehehe…Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something."
Note: "He's shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Buu's body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Buu's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here And no one is saying Kid Buu>Buff Buu.
2. Goku then states Buu was supressed and was lollygagging all this time.
3. Vegeta: "……Heh…Hehehehe…Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something."
Note: "He's shrunk" is chidzimu, which typically refers to physical shrinking (like with Bulma's Micro Band) and throughout DB is never used to refer to ki diminishing. So Vegeta's probably talking about how Buu's body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Buu's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here And no one is saying Kid Buu>Buff Buu.
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1. How about the fact that Goku can sense power levels? He can tell how strong someone is. He knew how powerful Super Buu was from the moment he came into existence because he sensed him on the World of the Kais. If he constantly states he can't win and harps on about it means something.
2. When the heck did he ever say that Buu is supressed?? That is literally the first time I've ever heard that.
2. When the heck did he ever say that Buu is supressed?? That is literally the first time I've ever heard that.
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