Are you questioning that titans can resurrect? If I follow the logic you’re using with that, Titans just overall don’t resurrect.
Correct. If the statement I asked for exists, then there would be no room to question. So it would be helpful if you would confirm if such statement exists or not.
If such a statement does not exist, then how did you come to the conclusion that a Titan will keep resurrecting if the Crucible blade is not involved?
Why are you saying “through physical force”? How are you assuming that mechs don’t have weapons that can keep them dead, where it’s directly stated that there’s more weapons than just the Crucible? The mechs were literally made to fight titan-class demons, and if there’s other weapons like the Crucible like the Codex directly states, they would have them. Also, titans can be killed through physical force. Nobody ever claimed differently, they just resurrect.
Because Hugo and Martin said that the Doom Slayer killed the Dreadnought with his guns and bare hands. Because the Atlans skewered Titans and kept killing demons until they ran out of fuel. That is physical force. It is up to you to prove that it is more than what is stated.
On the contrary, it is stated that the Crucible is unique:
A sacred relic of the Sentinel People, the Crucible remains one of the most mysterious artifacts known to man. Texts from Argent D'Nur reference the weapon in a revered, righteous manner; while Night Sentinels were known to employ similar energy-based blades in their armaments, the Crucible remains the only one powerful enough to reportedly slay titan-class demons.
Only the Slayer holds knowledge of this venerated sword, for only he has been known to wield it. The blade burns with ethereal heat, immediately cauterizing flesh as it slices through. ~Crucible |
Mind you that Hugo said that all Argent/Wraith energy swords/axes/spears have the same power level, are equally durable, and will never break. So there is something unique with the way the Crucible slays Titans, which is to stab them, and they'll stay down as long as they are stabbed.
Substantiate your claim that they resurrect if the Crucible is not involved.
If we accept that titans resurrect, which we do currently, how do you know they didn’t resurrect and we just weren’t told that they did? We accept Hell as an infinite realm, you can’t factually say that they didn’t resurrect if we accept titans resurrecting.
Did you just concede that we aren't told that Titans resurrect upon death?
The statement that comes afterwards is somehow worse; we should assume that they resurrect because Hell is infinite, and if the wiki currently says something, we can't say otherwise in a CRT?
But, here’s where everything about this falls apart. Not everything that looks like a titan is a titan, most of what we see are Hell Barges. Titans are gifted are special hell magic, and the titans that we know of resurrect if not nulled by something like The Crucible. It links back to you having to prove that the Crucible paralyzes them instead of keeping them from resurrecting. So, I’ll repeat myself, what’s your proof for that?
Wait, so you are claiming that not everything that is Titan-class qualifies as 'a true Titan', and that there are Titan-like beings who resurrect and Titan-like beings who do not resurrect? Where does this come from?
The codex literally calls Hell Barges slave titans.
Titans have many anti-feats of not resurrecting when killed by something other than the Crucible. That is sufficient as proof.
I concede the point about NPI and the Gladiator Soul; I am fine with it as long as NPI is moved to post-Divinity Machine, and it is explained that the NPI feats were done through stabbing the soul entombed within the Gladiator's shield + can harm Spirits using microwave beam.
Can't believe I forgot about Maligog.
If the new key includes the Divinity Machine and scale him with barges, wouldn't that just be the same as 2016 Doom Slayer but with less equipment, inferior armor, and unquantifiably weaker? Imo, it makes the key more redundant.
1. Icon/Dreadnought: Ressurection,unable to be put down by normal means.
Though it was mentioned that they were unable to be put down by normal means due to how durable they were.
For the Dreadnought:
"But though the swarm fell before their assault, the Titan remained invincible, for none could tame the behemoth alone." |
But the Doom Slayer caved part of the 'invincible' Dreadnought chest in post-Divinity Machine. It is of note that Sentinels already had the weapons and technology to take down Titans like the Ancestral, so there is a good chance that they would be able to kill the Dreadnought if they had prep.
The Icon of Sin scales above Hell Barges who are described as such:
"The Thrall, possessing superior resilience, proved indestructible by conventional weapons, thwarting all attempts by Armored Response Coalition defensive forces." |
If ARC can't damage Hell Barges with conventional weapons then they can't do much against the Icon of Sin.
Nothing about them resurrecting if the Sentinel/ARC theoretically delivers lethal damage. Also note, that the Crucible is stated to be uniquely capable of slaying Titan-class demons unlike other energy melee weapons; this is talking about a general category not a small handful of Titans.
Looking at it, the Crucible would scale to Small City level due to it being considered superior to the Doom Slayer's physical attacks (or if we low-ball it, superior to the energy of the 8-A two megakelvin laser), but 'cutting/harming/slaying a Titan' by itself is a weak justification (similar to mosquito scaling to humans via. stabbing through their skin, and lightsabers scaling to Mountain level due to it being used to cut a tiny chunk out of a mountain); it either references the hax, or makes it seem like the Crucible is being used to split Titans in half or something to that effect. So the justification should be worded to scale to Eternal's Doom Slayer and the Icon of Sin.
Due to
Hugo's statement that the Marauder's axe is comparable to the Crucible, would this mean that
the Marauder gets an upgrade to his AP?