Donkey Kong Downgrade?

[Kiryu2012]

This is something I've been wanting to say for a while, and while I doubt anyone would agree with me on this, I still want to say it. Basically, I think DK's moon-punching feat is a huge outlier that should not be considered when talking about DK's strength and power as a whole. Here are my reasons for it:

1. Donkey Kong has never shown this level of strength before or afterwards. I mean, sure, he's sent foes like Lord Frederik flying, but these feats are nowhere near as impressive as his moon-punching moment, and the gap in strength is pretty high.

2. It's contradicted by how DK has consistently been bested in situations where, should the moon-punching feat be considered, he should have overcome with ease, such as his being captured by King K. Rool on two occassions(including being locked up in a cage which he should easily break free from going by his moon feat's logic), as well as being beaten by Mario in the Mario vs DK series.

So yeah, I don't think Donkey Kong is as strong as others think.

 

[Cropfist]

Fredrik is island and being trapped in a cage is a low-end as Mario being hurt by spikes and lava. Mario beating him makes sense as he's on a higher tier than DK.

 

[Metal875]

King K. Rool has quite literally been stated to be on par with Donkey Kong's strength, so having his moon feat considered doesn't matter since he's fighting an equal of his. And Fredrik's Island, while the moon feat is Country--not really a big gap at all, tbh.

And Mario has stats ranging into Large Star. If anything, DK fighting Mario is a feat for the ape. Besides, the franchise is highly inconsistent. The characters can range from merely Small City all the way up to Multi-Universe. The characters are all over the place; it's the nature of the series. I disagree with the downgrade.

 

[Kiryu2012]

Fredrik is island.

Based on his freezing of Donkey King Island? That was only through his horn, and it doesn't seem like that level of power can be translated into combat, considering he hasn't shown anywhere near that much power in his boss fight.

 

[Cropfist]

Metal's comment explained it better than mine.

 

[Metal875]

@Kiryu: Donkey Kong fought Fredrik when he had possession of his horn.

If his horn is the only thing that did that, then it's still valid for DK, who can take hits from it and overpower Fredrik with his horn.

 

[Kiryu2012]

@Kiryu: Donkey Kong fought Fredrik when he had possession of his horn.
If his horn is the only thing that did that, then it's still valid for DK, who can take hits from it and overpower Fredrik with his horn.

But he wasn't using the same level of power in that fight as when he froze the island. The most his horn could do in the midst of combat was freeze the platforms DK was standing on.

 

[Metal875]

We can't take things at face value. Attack Potency is merely an attack's Destructive Capacity. An attack doesn't necessarily need to cause destruction to be at that level, it just needs to exert that much force.

So, basing it off of how it looks at face value is flawed. Almost all characters in fiction don't destroy multiverses with one attack. This is because they are generally not trying to (Referring mainly to Multiversal characters, btw).

Just because Fredrik didn't freeze an entire island during his fight doesn't mean that his attack doesn't wield the potency to do so at all.

 

[Kiryu2012]

Well, it kinda does mean that. If his attacks really could wield that much power, then there should have been a lot more destruction going on in his boss battle. But there isn't, which would suggest his horn'spower isn't as strong during combat.

 

[Cropfist]

A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level.

 

[Kiryu2012]

A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level.

That is true, but that still means that Fredrik wasn't using the full extent of his horn's power against Donkey Kong.

 

[Cropfist]

The only evdence for this is the lack of destruction caused despite the quote above disproving the point?

 

[Ryukama]

I haven't played the latest Donkey Kong games, but I was under the impression the rating came from the fact that Fredrik should be superior to that Ice Dragon.

But either way, using absurd low ends like DK getting trapped in a cage or saying they didn't destroy much during their fights are far from legitamate arguments.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Ryukama and Metal Mario875.

 

[Kiryu2012]

The only evdence for this is the lack of destruction caused despite the quote above disproving the point?

IMHO, it doesn't make sense for an attack to yield the power to destroy an island and yet not be able to display that kind of destruction otherwise. This isn't Dragon Ball; Fredrik's actual attack power clearly isn't as strong as outside of battle.

 

[Metal875]

Just because it doesn't look that powerful doesn't automatically mean it isn't. God Flowey is finite 2-A, but in his fight, we don't see his attacks destroying countless universes during his fight, but we very well know that Flowey can, and that his attacks have enough power to do so.

Same with Fredrik. This type of thing happens in literally every video game fight. Downplaying something based only on face value is flawed, as we have already seen that Fredrik's horn wields enough power to do so. Besides, why wouldn't Fredrik use his full power on DK when he knows the thing wants to kick him to the curb? It doesn't make sense.

One final comparison. If you believe that, just because it doesn't look that powerful, then a lot of characters need to be downgraded. Almost every character in fiction--even Omnipotent characters hardly ever display their power visually. We just know it exists, and that their attacks should yield whatever force they can exert.

 

[Ryukama]

Attack Potency exists in almost all series that involve superhumans fighting. Dragon Ball's just one of the few to have a canon explanation for this trope.

Superman can survive a planet sandwitch yet gets hurt from punches by Doomsday that don't even destroy the city they're in. Thanos was begging for his life from an energy beam that only cracked the floor. Lord Boros got injured by Saitama punching him into a wall.

Are we now going to have things like Wall level Boros, Wall level Thanos and Street level Superman? No that's ridiculous. You can't use an attack having low area of effect to determine its power in fiction. Or else almost every character can be horrendously downplayed.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with Ryukama.

 

[Antvasima]

I also agree with Ryukama.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I also agree with Ryukama.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose thst I should close this thread then.