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Wonder Chase (video game)

Wonder Chase was a video game exclusively published on Roblox on 5 April 2024. The game was officially licensed by the BBC and made extensive use of their television...
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Roblox is a game creation system and massively multiplayer online game platform developed by the Roblox Corporation and launched publicly on 1 September 2006. Roblox has had one official crossover with Doctor Who. On 11 March 2020, the Roblox Corporation announced a partnership with BBC Studios...
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Spoiler for Dalek Eternity 4. May be of interest for anyone who likes the Unbound series.
The Unbound Master or Doctor appears in a female form, calling herself 'The Oldest', and is so ancient that she can't even remember who she was. Also, The Oldest can somehow survive Dalek blasts and tear apart their casings with her bare hands.

Also of interest is that likely thousands of ships (made up of Dalek Saucers and comparable vessels, including Sontaran and Draconian warships) could mass-scatter an Earth-like planet by channelling a tiny portion of their combined power systems into a weapon. This story is set in the 41st century, as Mavic Chen's regular human nephew is in a previous story.
 

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1. Doctor Who: Time War: Daleks vs Cybermen - The Worlds of Doctor Who - Special Releases - Big Finish

Award-winning, full-cast original audio dramas from the worlds of Doctor Who, Torchwood, Blake's 7, Class, Dark Shadows, Avengers, Omega Factor, Star Cops, Sherlock Holmes, Dorian Gray, Pathfinder Legends, Prisoner, Adam Adamant Lives, Space 1999, Timeslip, Terrahawks, Space Precinct...
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What is worse, this game forshadowing this
"The painting guide for the Cybermen miniatures in Guide to the Time Vortex refers to the Weapons-grade Cybermen as "Time War Cybermen"
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In Betrayal at the House of Sontar, The Division severs a Rutan from the wider Rutan hivemind seemingly using Time Lord technology rather than alien stuff (Track 6).

Also, The Division orchestrated the Rutan-Sontaran War to prevent the Kaveetch (the forebearers of the Sontarans) from eventually developing time travel technology on par with the Time Lords. This is at least one of the factors that led The Fugitive Doctor to abandon The Division/Gallifrey.
 
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The Doctor vs Maou Gakuin No Futekigousha From a battered blue box that’s seen all of time… walks a mind that rewrites fate without raising a hand. No crown. No throne. Just centuries of wit… and impossible solutions. The traveler who turns endings into beginnings… The Doctor. And across him…...
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Some stuff from recent audio.
According to Alex, Time Lord stories claim that the Eye of Harmony anchors the Space-Time Vortex itself. This consistent with Neverland, where the Time Lords are said to have anchored the Time Vortex and used the Eye of Harmony as the hitching post for the Web of Time.

Time Lords can process more dimensions (as in numerically more, not just orthogonally) than a human, such as 2-dimensions intersecting with the TARDIS' multi-dimensional structure.

The TARDIS seems to be capable of dimensional engineering of the type that the Time Lords use to create dimensionally transcendental structures.

There's a series of millions upon millions of roots that infect 'every possible dimension in every possible direction'. The Doctor describes most dimensions as microscopic ones, with the 'realities' that The Doctor and his companions inhabit simply being the surface level (though the microscopic dimensions are inwards to normal space rather than downwards). It seems these dimensions can be like pocket realities with unusual physical laws.

This is set during the Daleks' Reality Bomb gambit.

UNIT has gunboats (capable of flight and water travel) which are reverse-engineered from Cyber-ships, containing cloaking systems which can render them invisible/undetectable and laser-guided rockets that can kill an unshielded Dalek. However, It's explicitly stated that the Dalek couldn't raise its defences in time and that the rockets wouldn't be able to harm it if they did, which also implies that Daleks don't usually have their shields up. Later, we see the gunboat fire at two prepared Daleks' eyestalks and head sections (establishing the latter weak point) and they still can't do any damage to the Daleks, who obliterate (even partially melting) the gunboat with a few shots.

UNIT also developed a significantly upgraded version of the Valiant, which they believe can engage a Dalek command saucer when fully completed. Its weapons include railguns with a muzzle velocity of over 8x the speed of sound; these did 'some damage' to the unshielded command saucer. Its armoury includes hand-held energy weapons capable of destroying a shielded Dalek with massed firepower (individual guns only have a limited effect).
 
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Some stuff from recent audio.
According to Alex, Time Lord stories claim that the Eye of Harmony anchors the Space-Time Vortex itself. This consistent with Neverland, where the Time Lords are said to have anchored the Time Vortex and used the Eye of Harmony as the hitching post for the Web of Time.

Time Lords can process more dimensions (as in numerically more, not just orthogonally) than a human, such as 2-dimensions intersecting with the TARDIS' multi-dimensional structure.

The TARDIS seems to be capable of dimensional engineering of the type that the Time Lords use to create dimensionally transcendental structures.

There's a series of millions upon millions of roots that infect 'every possible dimension in every possible direction'. The Doctor describes most dimensions as microscopic ones, with the 'realities' that The Doctor and his companions inhabit simply being the surface level (though the microscopic dimensions are inwards to normal space rather than downwards). It seems these dimensions can be like pocket realities with unusual physical laws.

This is set during the Daleks' Reality Bomb gambit.

UNIT has gunboats (capable of flight and water travel) which are reverse-engineered from Cyber-ships, containing cloaking systems which can render them invisible/undetectable and laser-guided rockets that can kill an unshielded Dalek. However, It's explicitly stated that the Dalek couldn't raise its defences in time and that the rockets wouldn't be able to harm it if they did, which also implies that Daleks don't usually have their shields up. Later, we see the gunboat fire at two prepared Daleks' eyestalks and head sections (establishing the latter weak point) and they still can't do any damage to the Daleks, who obliterate (even partially melting) the gunboat with a few shots.

UNIT also developed a significantly upgraded version of the Valiant, which they believe can engage a Dalek command saucer when fully completed. Its weapons include railguns with a muzzle velocity of over 8x the speed of sound; these did 'some damage' to the unshielded command saucer. Its armoury includes hand-held energy weapons capable of destroying a shielded Dalek with massed firepower (individual guns only have a limited effect).
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Actually this thing about microcospic Dimensions inward the normal space is something very common in old comics and one novel
After the atomic level, there are a sub-set of the Sub-Space: Inner Space - an infinitely smaller realm where entire universes (with whole Galaxies in one atom) exist within microscopic dimensions, those Universes and people are confirm by the Doctor to be Fourth Dimensional in existence as well have their own space-time

Anyway, the Unit having a new Valiant is actually cool, i remember the novelization of Giggle they have stole tech from Daleks and Cybermen to make handled weapons
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Anyway, the Unit having a new Valiant is actually cool, i remember the novelization of Giggle they have stole tech from Daleks and Cybermen to make handled weapons
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There is a fanmade Doom campaign about this...


By the way, I read your huge cosmology blog after finding through that Constantine vs The Doctor blog. Aside from maybe some difference in defining the absolute apex of the setting -- whether the "Ultimate Observer" etc & the true form of the Carnival Queen are synonymous or distinct entities, I'm not yet sure -- it's an impressively solid overview. Were you one of the guys I talked about DW and that one huge site trying to make a chronology of the setting with back when VSB was Wikia and had a built-in chat? Anyway, it's too bad that ByAsura's threads never got much traction, but perhaps it's just as well to have time to further polish things and earn goodwill as you have.
 
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There is a fanmade Doom campaign about this...
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Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
By the way, I read your huge cosmology blog after finding through that Constantine vs The Doctor blog. Aside from maybe some difference in defining the absolute apex of the setting -- whether the "Ultimate Observer" etc & the true form of the Carnival Queen are synonymous or distinct entities, I'm not yet sure -- it's an impressively solid overview. Were you one of the guys I talked about DW and that one huge site trying to make a chronology of the setting with back when VSB was Wikia and had a built-in chat? Anyway, it's too bad that ByAsura's threads never got much traction, but perhaps it's just as well to have time to further polish things and earn goodwill as you have.
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Thanks, i have some doubts myself, but we will find out most of it during the CRT that will come if lucky, after Cwej Seasons ended
 
Yeah, give me a heads up whenever you're feeling nearly ready for a CRT and if I'm around I'll help as I readily can. Keep in mind that VSB likes emphasizing things like the Anchoring of the Thread & the physical Time Lords we see portrayed by actors and such are essentially avatar bodies for higher forms (Biodata, the mind, etc). Account for assuring that The Doctor can't just punch a High 1-A or whatever and that various forces have self-imposed or TL-imposed limits (kind of like Spell Card Rules from Touhou) for the sake of not wracking the cosmos any more than they do. IMO what's in your blog is already very well substantiated; it's just going to be a chiefly a matter of digestibility (sandbox profiles) so people without familiarity know what they're signing up for and thus have less friction.

And yeah, that Doom mod is pretty sweet (if not super lore-friendly but why be pedantic), even has time travel lightly incorporated into the map design in some places.
 
By the way, is this thread a good place to post feats -- I'm re-reading some of the 7/8th Doc literature, aka the material with the most feats and best writing imo -- and/or craft theories, estimate tiers, and so on? Or would you prefer to keep your cards to your chest and not have many conclusions made until you're more ready to try CRTs? They aren't to be considered 100% solid yet, but I have some estimations on stats based on your (Oliver's) blog and some other material that might be worth sharing as a possible course.
 
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By the way, is this thread a good place to post feats -- I'm re-reading some of the 7/8th Doc literature, aka the material with the most feats and best writing imo -- and/or craft theories, estimate tiers, and so on? Or would you prefer to keep your cards to your chest and not have many conclusions made until you're more ready to try CRTs? They aren't to be considered 100% solid yet, but I have some estimations on stats based on your (Oliver's) blog and some other material that might be worth sharing as a possible course.
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It's not like there is anyone who hates Doctor Who with a passion to the point where they start to downgrade it like that tbf
 
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By the way, is this thread a good place to post feats -- I'm re-reading some of the 7/8th Doc literature, aka the material with the most feats and best writing imo -- and/or craft theories, estimate tiers, and so on? Or would you prefer to keep your cards to your chest and not have many conclusions made until you're more ready to try CRTs? They aren't to be considered 100% solid yet, but I have some estimations on stats based on your (Oliver's) blog and some other material that might be worth sharing as a possible course.
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You can drop feats, make theory, etc, i dont mind
 
Cool, just wanted to check in case that amazing cosmology blog was more of an "under wraps while WIP" thing than an "up for discussion" thing. Anyway, some general scattered thoughts because I feel like longposting for its own sake. I do know my stuff on a lot having read many key books and such in the past, but I'm not trying to be comprehensive or waterproof or otherwise definitive here, just some broad strokes.

That cosmology cartography was a huge help in putting things into perspective with regards to how and why entities such as The Doctor, his TARDIS, and various factions have such a wide range of high and low showings. DW is a series that is, for better and worse, fundamentally built on giving itself outs for reinvention when needed (such as "regeneration" being initially written to replace actors), and there are some clever ways of consistently having outs while not erasing all stakes. This also a series that is essentially applying theories of ecosystems to cosmology itself: what if the XYZ-verse had a mind and/or physiology, was fauna that fed and could be fed upon, was a unit of political resources, etc? One major reason why the Doc etc can be endangered (if perhaps not permanently so) by a 3D gun bullet while staving off eldritch assaults on his mind/existence/etc is because Time Lords have essentially evolved (not necessarily in linear ascension) to craft an environment based on their aesthetic tastes of rationality and measurability instead of only timeless spaceless abstraction as it was pre-Anchoring of the Thread, which manifests as N-Space. So that and general restraints help it actually make sense why the Doctor can have ultra-smurf durability against that kind of hax while being more vulnerable to kinetic energy and the like. Same goes for the TARDIS, albeit to an even wider variability. It's harder to parse for times when the Doctor is hurt by small-scale hax, but then you have all the parts about Chronon and Arton Energy being things on hand that 3D Time Lord forms can harness better than almost anyone else so that when a higher being tries to erase the Doctor, that kind of power usually does land as well as a literal bullet might. Might be the most sensible case of smurf durability yet not universally-applicable durability or AP I've seen.

AP -- aside from the fairly consistent wall-ish level base 3D body & the harder-to-pin Sonic Screwdriver stuff -- is largely dependent on 1.) what artifacts he's got at the moment, 2.) if the true non-physical mind of a Time Lord can be applied at the moment (either by being in a realm that especially favors that mode of being or just disregarding the Laws of Time when extremely desperate for the sake of the cosmos and using God of the Fourth stuff) 3.) what energy source the TARDIS is tapping into at the moment. The former is self-explanatory, while the latters are basically an extension of the scale of desperation (he wouldn't go quite that far to save himself alone) or of the realm they're in. Again, surprisingly more consistency to the notion of a guy who can resist elder gods yet get shot in an alley than it seems at first. By extension, this might be one of those cases that some people argue of Immeasurable/Irrelevant speed being less reactions and more a sort of hax/resistance, though that's a different can of worms.

There are a few moments I especially want to revisit for the sake of noting consistency, though. Especially the Doctor's TARDIS and the Master's TARDIS fighting the Quantum Archangel; I recall that bit mentioning that they'd been modified far beyond the norm but that seems inconsistent with their usual output. Unless avatar mechanics being the norm do a lot of heavy lifting there, or there was some extra empowerment of them (or depowering of the QA) that I forget. Also the Carnival Queen stuff, especially the Doctor repelling some of her warping; I think that might have been just a consequence of her not only being an avatar but also not being "invited" enough in some cases as Oliver's blog details.

Another thing is parsing how Time Lords can be threatened as a civilization in general; it's hard to imagine the same guys who did the Anchoring of the Thread and seem to have certain abilities up to that scale having trouble with even Daleks. Though even aside from avatar stuff, there is a thing going on there like the Ainur being weaker after descending to Ea in Tolkien's Legendarium. Moreover, things like the Dalek civilization(s) being so up and down on the dangerousness scale is also extremely situational, depending on their resources and such. As well as having ultra-smurfed range at times, such as that Dalek fleet in the audio book Homecoming travelling a void realm more fundamental than even the Time Vortex and many conceptual realms to bypass defenses (and we thought emergency temporal shifts done by base units were nuts!). Also, in the Eighth Doctor comic books, one of the earliest arcs involve the Daleks we're familiar with meeting Daleks from other verses (possibly more distant than the usual parallel timelines judging by how vastly different the wasp-like alts were), which they would assimilate and/or combat. Dalek civil wars (including vastly greater scales such as what I mentioned in addition to smaller skirmishes such as the goofy Black Daleks vs White Daleks bout in that one 7th episode) happening in between the bouts we see them weathering from the Doctor could explain some things. Plus maaaaaybe being so hard to permakill due to possibly being extensions of The Enemy in a reliant immortality kind of way.

The whole setting is often in flux, which makes sense for its having so many moving parts (a frequent point of intrigue being "What state is this returner in this time?" instead of being 100% sure everyone's at baseline) even as entities try to keep some things constant. More accurate VSB profiles will have to incorporate this by mentioning tech, eras, situational maneuvers, and such, with the usual "scales to" methodology still being the default to start from but not necessarily the whole picture. While I did disagree with it on some things -- arguably downplaying DC but irrelevant here, scaling the Time Lords to some irrational entities above them as opposed to only those tamed by them, the points Oliver mentioned in his comment, some other little details -- that Constantine vs The Doctor blog posted earlier in this thread could be a good baseline to get a grasp on what a comprehensive profile might look like, even if it doesn't establish hierarchy as solidly as Oliver's blog does. Oh, and one minor disagreement with Oliver; I think peak Time Lords should scale to Time's Music/Quantum Foam since that's what they were manipulating with the Anchoring of the Thread iirc, though that might be a very exclusive period/state/thing that even their current/usual transcendental incorporeal forms may not scale to anymore.


All this to say, it's interesting to see a series change hands so often yet retain some core consistencies, even if some works and periods are way way way better or worse than others. And even if the very best parts may not be much higher art than "Dostoyevsky for eight-year-olds" as one person put it (even enthusiasts technical hard-scifi or fantasy in general shouldn't underestimate what a more quotidian story can express). But Doctor Who often does spark the imagination and appreciation for this and that, and I think it did help give me an in for yet more esoteric works that I might not have appreciated otherwise, including non-narrative ones, which loops back to appreciating more common things and so on. (One narrative that you here might especially enjoy being a British TV miniseries that predated and inspired much of subsequent DW, David Lynch, James Bond, etc: the mental-warfare pulp classic The Prisoner.) And I've been enjoying the stuff I've been (re)visiting in itself, particular the 7/8th Doc literatures written by guys inspired by more tangibly human personal sensitives and higher concepts moreso than seeing life through the lens of TV Tropes pages. Dunno if we'll ever get the pages updated here since there is no void more obscure than a non-topical T1 thread & life gets in the way besides, but if nothing else the sandboxes and such I've seen from you guys have been a fun read for me at least.
 
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Some shit from The War Doctor Rises: Fear of the Light, a Time War story. Nothing huge, but lots of power and ability and lore stuff.

Just a glancing blow from a Dalek gunstick (presumably fitted with a Regeneration inhibitor) fries a Time Lord on a cellular level, resulting in him dying and being stuck in the regeneration process until he would have burned out.

A Dalek Saucer (Assault Cruiser) has temporal torpedoes. It's not explicit, but these may be the same type as a Military TARDIS', which can be set to hold targets in a stasis bubble or freeze them in time.

Even a Time Lord escape pod has temporal shields which The Rani's TARDIS' transmat technology is unable to penetrate.

Seemingly standard Time Lord quantum shields are resistant to detection from Dalek scout ships.

The Rani states that a Dalek fleet could vaporise a world.

The Rani states that the secrets of Regeneration were lost to time.

The Time War has altered the history of the Time Lords. These changes altered the Time Lords' regeneration from the Classic Series' soft yellow light (like the 6th Doctor's regeneration) to the revival series' more destructive golden light.

Fairly obvious, but Regeneration is explicitly a molecular transformation. In this case, it's stated that a Regeneration was 'extreme' enough to transform combat armour into a gown, like we see with the 1st and 13th Doctors' regenerations. So Regeneration users have transmutation.

The Rani claims that her time manipulator can 'predict the future with far more accuracy than any Matrix prophecy, or even the Dalek Time Strategist', which might imply that the DTS has better prediction capabilities than The Matrix.

The Rani states that a hundred billion worlds are burning in the Time War.

The Rani developed Blinovitch suppressors as weapons for Gallifrey, though they don't enter the war during the early phases (it's set before Eleventh Doctor Year 2 Time War storyline, which took place during the early Time War according to Abslom Daak). Presumably, this means they suppress the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.

Daleks lose energy when they're too cold.

The Rani has this insane time manipulator in the previous story. The details don't matter, but it contains a trillion minds of all kinds (including ones who've been retconned from existence). It's powered by reactors from 7 Dalek Saucers.

Daleks have temporal shields and spatial locks which prevent them from being transmatted.

The Rani has a unit to quantify regeneration energy. A burst during a fairly intense moment of regeneration produces less than 2, while 1.3 million represents the collected energy of a Time Lord with ~8-ish regenerations remaining in their cycle. In the next story, The Doctor says he can use this energy to regenerate a Dalek hundreds of times.

We know that the interior of a TARDIS exists in a different dimension, but The Rani explicitly calls the exterior the realspace envelope. The term 'realspace' is used to contrast the normal universe from exotic dimensions like Hyperspace and the Vortex.

TARDIS graveyards, presumably referring to the realm in Nineveh! and bubble universes in The Doctor's Wife, are purported to exist in 'the outer realms' according to Time Lord legends.

According to The Rani, some data indicates that TARDISes may have circular and endless lives.

The Doctor implies that The Rani from the Classic Series isn't the first incarnation of The Rani, and says that she hasn't shed a tear for 500 years.

The Rani tidally locked a planet for her research. She detonated the reactors of the 7 Dalek Saucers which power her experiment to restart the planet's rotation.

The Doctor feels The Rani being extracted from Lakertya to Gallifrey from afar.

Time Lords don't just have the ability to choose their genes/body type under controlled conditions (like Romana and River Song), they can also selectively change their neurology, such as abandoning emotions and increasing intelligence.

The Rani regenerates into an unseen incarnation (presumably Mrs Flood) at the end of the story.
 
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They're up there, especially at their peak. Although I'm not sure how high they go normally (including even their higher minds above physical bodies) as opposed to relying on the sustained (?) defense from making The Anchoring of the Thread -- which, if the blog is correct, is High 1-A+ via manipulating Time's Music/Quantum Foam that's above XYZ that's above ABC etc -- back before they created physics, measurability, avatars, etc. Though as far their being threatened by Daleks to begin with goes, that quote I mentioned about Daleks being to travel (but probably not manipulate otherwise) the arguably even more fundamental Black Void to bypass barriers is interesting context; while Daleks are no joke, perhaps they don't outgun the Time Lords directly so much as endanger the TLs via their absurd range/navigation past barriers.

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Good finds. The bits about minds being able to power prediction tech, like the Gallifreyan Matrix does, play into themes of (cultivated) non-physical minds in Doctor Who being transcendent over time. It does seem implausible for even a Time Lord to make another computer more predictive than the Matrix, but trillion(s?) is a big number that could entail some especially special batteries, especially non-existent ones, and extra advantages in incorporating Dalek tech.

The details on Regeneration being a variable force also explain some spikes, such as that one time twelve regenerations at once were enough to disrupt the Celestial Toymaker (from the VS blog, no source listed but should be easy to find for more details later).

Some of these details also suggest that Time War Time Lords, as potent as they are, might be weaker than they once were and lost a bit of capability with some of their abilities/tech, such as forgetting some knowledge on Regeneration. Makes sense since they have civil wars and were becoming generally corrupt, which hurt efficiency. The history of the Time Lords being altered by the Time War could be a strength or a weakness or a combination of the two, as acasuality and continuity independence are usual means of defense at this level in DW and let the writers corner themselves less.

I wonder if Dalek Gunsticks are a generic form of cellular manipulation or something more tailored to killing Time Lords. Probably the latter, perhaps based on Arton Energy. But cellular manipulation might be a weakness for Time Lords in general. I don't recall at the moment a lot of examples the Doctor's feats when dealing with it, aside from a feat in the 8th comics I recently read entailing resisting becoming a vampire from a blood-consuming species and not instantly dying when he injected himself with a virus as they fed on him that instantly killed them, although he had to be taken to Gallifrey to be treated. The Durability section on that VS blog has a not but not for that hax in particular; it does mention TARDISes having Cellular Rejuvenation Vaults and extracting extremely fundamental and multifaceted biodata viruses. Oh, I guess that begs the question of why the TARDIS didn't just heal 8, but there was a civil war on Gallifrey going on that it might have wanted him there for, and he wasn't in a state to operate the TARDIS at the moment, so there. Hard to tell what's as fundamental and multifaceted as Biodata manipulation and what's just a subset, for that matter.

The physical exterior of a TARDIS being a "realspace envelope" with all that implies, very informative. Their graveyards being in "outer realms" suggest at least one of several things: being excluded from the Time Vortex (probably even something a bit yet more fundamental) is a weakening state and/or is done to contain cosmic damage caused by their meltdown malfunctions.

Interesting stuff!
 
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even if it doesn't establish hierarchy as solidly as Oliver's blog does. Oh, and one minor disagreement with Oliver; I think peak Time Lords should scale to Time's Music/Quantum Foam since that's what they were manipulating with the Anchoring of the Thread iirc, though that might be a very exclusive period/state/thing that even their current/usual transcendental incorporeal forms may not scale to anymore.
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They actually do, we dont have proof in the moment and that was the reason why i innitially disagree (Like i thought the whole thing they did with Time in Once, Upon Time was an Avatar, like the Timewyrm, not the real Menti-celesti), until Cwej Seasons: Springs Eternal was drop

We learn what the Menti-celesti mean with Chris is their grandfather in happy endings, they place a part of themselves in his grandchildren, The Time Lords took these children and used them to found their society. They killed the gods but bound them in a state of un-death. They used the powers of the Menti Celestis to create a rational universe and destroy the irrational universe, they literally hijacked the Music of Sphere and the Deathless/The Master/Koschei say they could do whatever they want with that power, all the creations is their with it

Menti celesit come from Pre-pre-pre universe, e.i. the Ur-universe from the Taking of planet 5 if i have to guess

Also, Deathless using Lungbarrow house powered by the Vicinity/V-Time to literally eat nearly all cosmology in Cwej: Lungbarrow by Loomlight, also we learn the Totality is made up of stories(meta-thing), The Deathless plan to remade with the power of Lungbarrow

The Other created The Canvas (the first physical time machine) and using it with the Loom could repair the creation that had been fragmented by Lungbarrow


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Dunno if we'll ever get the pages updated here since there is no void more obscure than a non-topical T1 thread & life gets in the way besides, but if nothing else the sandboxes and such I've seen from you guys have been a fun read for me at least.
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No worry, there are people working in the pages, parallel to the working of the cosmology, me and the boys are working in Psychic powers, artron energy, TARDISes page and Time Lords biology
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Actually, is state many times to the Gunsticks to damage on cellular level, as well they are either disruptor or Particles weapon which do this

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But cellular manipulation might be a weakness for Time Lords in general. I don't recall at the moment a lot of examples the Doctor's feats when dealing with it, aside from a feat in the 8th comics I recently read entailing resisting becoming a vampire from a blood-consuming species and not instantly dying when he injected himself with a virus as they fed on him that instantly killed them, although he had to be taken to Gallifrey to be treated.
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tbh, they actually have many feats of resist cellular manipulation, like At least the Time Lords around the first Doctor's era are Immune now to Yssgaroth Taint/Vampire gen, the Fourth Doctor resist the Eminense's Breath of forever and use againt it.

For context; The Eminense can mutate other into infinite Warriors that are walking corpses, and are near-impossible to kill, The infinite warriors are basically slave and if the Eminense wish, the Warriors will kill their own family, Eminense say it control the soul even but i dont think is literally, just a way of speaking

Anyway, the Sixth doctor was later affected by Eminense but that was all plan to beat it in The Seeds of War

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Cold like what, absolute zero or?


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The details on Regeneration being a variable force also explain some spikes, such as that one time twelve regenerations at once were enough to disrupt the Celestial Toymaker (from the VS blog, no source listed but should be easy to find for more details later).
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the "realspace envelope" refer to The Outer Plasmic shell exist inside of time while the interior dimensions exist outside of time like a real space-time event, but mapped on to one of the interior continua

PresentTrunks said:
Some stuff from recent audio.
According to Alex, Time Lord stories claim that the Eye of Harmony anchors the Space-Time Vortex itself. This consistent with Neverland, where the Time Lords are said to have anchored the Time Vortex and used the Eye of Harmony as the hitching post for the Web of Time.

Time Lords can process more dimensions (as in numerically more, not just orthogonally) than a human, such as 2-dimensions intersecting with the TARDIS' multi-dimensional structure.

The TARDIS seems to be capable of dimensional engineering of the type that the Time Lords use to create dimensionally transcendental structures.

There's a series of millions upon millions of roots that infect 'every possible dimension in every possible direction'. The Doctor describes most dimensions as microscopic ones, with the 'realities' that The Doctor and his companions inhabit simply being the surface level (though the microscopic dimensions are inwards to normal space rather than downwards). It seems these dimensions can be like pocket realities with unusual physical laws.
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btw, can you get scans/records of those feats?
 
Very cool, thanks for the clarifications, Oliver. You guys are locked in for this. I'm still staggering at how well-sourced the sandboxes are. Looking forward to seeing what the end results look like, however longer it takes to cook. I'll drop by here occasionally to share any fresh finds I make or share my general perceptions (whether I'm correct or wrong but indirectly highlight what things need clarification). Good stuff.
 
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
It does seem implausible for even a Time Lord to make another computer more predictive than the Matrix
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She had some bullshit gene enhancement. Honestly, I don't think it makes any sense, but it sorts of works with The Barber-Surgeon from He Who Fights With Monsters and the general depiction of renegade Time Lords.
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
might be weaker than they once were and lost a bit of capability with some of their abilities/tech, such as forgetting some knowledge on Regeneration
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It's confirmed in The Time Traveller's Companion that they lost some technical expertise. However, we see in stories like The Neverwhen that they can still make new technologies and upgrade existing ones, and they have the ability to resurrect most of the important Time Lords (some people from the generation after Rassilon were too old to have Matrix imprints in Dark Gallifrey, though).
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
Their graveyards being in "outer realms" suggest at least one of several things
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It fits with the depiction of the Black Void from the Book of the Snowstorm, so that's my guess.
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Cold like what, absolute zero or?
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Cold like Spiridon.
Oliver_de_jesus said:
the "realspace envelope"
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To expand on this discussion, my point was that the interior pocket dimension isn't just a regular pocket universe, it likely also has some alternative laws of physics to N-Space. This makes sense because there's a quote from the TARDIS manual that the exterior dimension exists in the Space-Time Vortex, kind of like the N-Form in Damaged Goods but multi-dimensional.
Oliver_de_jesus said:
btw, can you get scans/records of those feats?
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Sure.

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