DMC downgrades

[Lightning_XXI]

In the beggining of Ep 12 actually

 

[Schnee_One]

<Blocked in my country

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Just trust me

Maybe this one

 

[Schnee_One]

Noped

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I'll never give up

 

[Schnee_One]

Noped

I get it, you don't have to link it

 

[Sparda_20000000]

He regenerated from his blood on ep 11

But I don't know where his Mind Resistance comes from

Because alan Lowell couldn't control him

 

[Kepekley23]

> The context of Lady's quote does suggest she was talking about Mundus

What context? No context exists for her quote, it's a random vague quote that doesn't mention Mundus. We have no reason at all to assume it's Mundus being talked about. He was sealed 2,000 years before the events of the series. Alan Lowell lived at most a few centuries before the series's events.

Abigail was sealed by a random human sorcerer with no lore or special feats of his own - the few feats that are applicable to his Prime self contradict him being at all comparable to Mundus, who needed the likes of Sparda to be sealed and defeated.

The absolute most we can gather from the quote is that Abigail once fought Berial, who is nowhere near 3-A.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Alan being "only" some centuries old doesn't have anything to do about Abigail's age, as a demon he can be thousands of years old, sealed away by Alan a few centuries ago

However, if Abigail was a 3-A demon, and was free after Mundus' defeat by Sparda, why he didn't ruled the Demon World ? Berial would be slapped into oblivion by a Mundus level demon, the only thing that would contradicts this is if Alan Lowell lived thousands of years in the past and sealed Abigail before Sparda sealed Mundus, this is possible, but gets contradited by what Kep said about what is takes to seal a Mundus Level Demon

So it makes more sense that Abigail actually fought Berial and lost (?)

"But Berial is a fodder"

He is featless, but described as Son of Mundus and ruled the Demon World, he is no fodder, and he doesn't scales to Echidna or any other demon from DMC4, except from the Order

So, scalling ?

Anime Dante should be 7-A, Higher with Devil Trigger since he one shoted Sid and was only defeated because he was caught off guard

Sid should be 7-A

Nero in DMC4 should be At least 7-A, apparently didn't had problems defeating Berial

Credo and Agnus should stay on 7-B since they lost to Nero, and they still scale to Echidna, but a Likely 7-A for them should be fine

Sanctus and Savior should be 7-A, At least 7-A with Sparda

Berial is 7-A and I'm making a profile for him right now

Trish also should have a DMC4 key with 7-A since she was confident in fighting The Savior

Thoughs ?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

You keep assuming Abigail is a Mundus-level demon, which is unfounded. And there's no way to reliably scale Berial and Abigail to each other.

 

[Dienomite22]

Question:Wasn't Berial in the demon world for a millennium as well according to Nero and his dialogue?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Well, he said that when he came to the Human World, 2000 years ago, there wasn't a human like Nero

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

And there's no way to reliably scale Berial and Abigail to each other.

This.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Bump

 

[Dark649]

Ok, Echidna's feat is 6.02488992648291 Megatons which is a hair away from 7-B which is 6.3 Megatons since she does this feat casually doesn't that warrant an upgrade?.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Probably, IIRC nanatsu not taizai does that.

Also, I thought Griffon feat was 7-B and the guys from 4 scaled to that?

 

[Dark649]

Well, the bosses in 4 might scale to eachother which includes first boss Berial who should not be that weaker to Mundus generals.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That makes sense.

 

[Dark649]

I'm not sure about the possibly Low 7-B+ [or 7-B if Echidna will be 7-B] for Blog Arkham, EoG 3 Dante and Vergil because Arkham had a small amount of Sparda's power.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I'm also against that and the 8-A rating DMC3 cast has.

 

[Kepekley23]

Why? 8-A seems pretty solid to me.

 

[DarkGrath]

Could you elaborate on why 8-A seems invalid, Ogbunabali?

 

[Ogbunabali]

It's without a calc and it's more then a x2 gap as well as being based on them being unquantifiably stronger. Pretty sure there was a rule that you can't jump a tier without a calc, and it's not like DT is a multiplier of something.

 

[Dark649]

I'm also against that and the 8-A rating DMC3 cast has.

Why? 8-A seems pretty solid to me.

Since Cerberus casual feat is 48.61 Tons and Dante easily defeated him before unlocking his DT, 8-B+ could be fine unless DT has a multiplier.

At least 8-B: Cerberus, Gigapede, Akham / Jester, Agni and Rudra [Bosses before Dante awakened his DT]

8-B+: Nevan, Beowulf, Geryon, Doppelganger, Blob Arkham, Dante and Vergil [Bosses after Dante gained a boost by awakening his DT]

For reference 8-B+ starts 55,6 Tons and ends at 100.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I agree that they should be "At least 8-B, likely far higher" or something, but not a tier higher just because "they're stronger".

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Have the DMC2/4 cast being downgraded yet?

 

[Dark649]

Have the DMC2/4 cast being downgraded yet?

Not yet.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

8-A is definitely more solid than Low 7-B (which is completely unfounded if you ask me). But yeah, I'd rather be conservative and make DMC3 Dante/Vergil "At least 8-B, likely far higher", without any particular tiers.

 

[Dark649]

At least 8-B, likely higher for Nevan and likely far higher for Blob Arkham, Dante and Vergil might be fine.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I agree with the changes to the DMC 3 cast.

Now, someone needs to edit the DMC2/4 characters

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I still think they should remain 7-A tho

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I changed the DMC3 cast

So, about DMC2/DMC4 cast, what was decided ?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Everyone goes back to 7-B scaling above Echidna.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I'm on my way then

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The DMC2 one go to what Dark said.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

And what about their speed ? Nero can fight Blitz who's MHS+ in both movement and combat

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I completely forgot about the speed/lifting strength when making the thread. I going to sleep right now and post/update the OP with those tomorrow.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

BTW why does Nero scales to DMC3 Dante in speed?

Someone should calc Nevan's lightning and Blitz when he appears.

 

[Dark649]

Nero scales because he is above DMC3 Dante, if Blitz is threatened as normally as MHS+ since it is said to move like a natural Cloud-to-Ground Lighting, shouldn't anyone above it being just MHS+?, also its is storm intencity Low 7-B? [Low 7-B is used to determine its a weak instability storm].

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I did a new CRT focused on speed for DMC Dark, and I talked about this