Ditto vs Pandora's Actor

[AnonymousBlank]

Precog ... by turning into Magikarp?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

By turning into ''any pokemon that exists''. It's litirally impossible to tell which one it will become.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

You completly ignored the point then? Ditto can litirally do anything any pokemon could here, and several could just precog and proceed to use pandora's transformations better than he could.

I can't do "literally anything any pokemon can do". That's downright false.

It turns into a pokemon then gains its abilities. It does't just get all the abilities right out of the bag. At no point can it gain every ability.

 

[Moritzva]

Ditto isn't very intelligent. Pandora's Actor is comparable to Demiurge, who's a tactical genius.

Ditto has very specific things he needs to turn into. A majority of the Supreme Beings just one-shot Ditto in most forms.

Although knowing which Mons Ditto might be able to turn into could help.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

@Ricsi

You yourself said it remembers Magikarp the most. If it isn't turning into Pandora's Actor (which he would in that case unless it completely screws himself over) he is most likely to become Magikarp.

And how hard do you think it would it be for PA to make it laugh accidently?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I can't do "literally anything any pokemon can do". That's downright false.

It turns into a pokemon then gains its abilities. It does't just get all the abilities right out of the bag. At no point can it gain every ability.

Not at once, but it can transform into all (non-legendary). Which my point of "no way to know what it will transform into" should make clear.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi
You yourself said it remembers Magikarp the most. If it isn't turning into Pandora's Actor (which he would in that case unless it completely screws himself over) he is most likely to become Magikarp.

No, I didn't. I said "for all we know". Because we have litirally no way to know. And it could transform into pandora after transforming into another pokemon and using their skills for itself.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If this Ditto has Imposter he will turn into PA immediately.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Not with how far away they are, no.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Unless Ditto has huge range in his base form, yes. PA only has 10s of km with his Ainz or other ranged 41 forms. That puts them in slapping distance of each other.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What? They are 4 kms away by SBA, and Ditto's range can reach tens of kilometers.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

No they are not, Ditto's says it varies (because of his transformations) and PA's is unknown (because outside of his transformations, we don't know what he can do). That means the highest confirmed range we have is the length of PA's limbs.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes, and it can vary up to tens of kilometers, which it can achieve of its own.


Also, what?

Starting distance: The characters start as far away from each other as the highest range of the fighters is, but a maximum of 4 kilometers. For example, if one character has a range of 10 meter and the other has a range of 20 meter they start 20 meter apart. However if the range of one character is 10 meter and the range of the other is 5 kilometer, they start only 4 kilometer apart. If extreme advantages are generated via this distance to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Ditto does not have that range in his base form which is what matters. Show me a single move he does that can reach 100m let alone 10s of km in his base.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No. As long as it's not a different key, skills with transformations still affect this.

Hell, it can transform into a being that is supposedly mountain sized, so that means his transformation on it's own can give it that range.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, are you going to ignore the second part completly?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Transformations don't count towards starting range at all, they aren't how the being normally is so why would it ever be considered. Ditto also doesn't transform unless the enemy is in front of them, which means the fight goes.

>Start at 4km apart

>Ditto does nothing

>PA (knowing he is in a battle) transforms into Ainz

>Locates Ditto

>Perfect Grasp Heart (or literally any other spell) GG

Congrats you have successfully turned an otherwise fair match into what amounts to a stomp.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Ditto does nothing? Why would it do nothing?

This is factually wrong. It can transform whenever it wants, and does so on memory if it can't locate an enemy to transform into itself.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

And aqpparently its best memory is Magikarp according to you. May as well have done nothing.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I'll just qoute myself, because you don't seem to read what is written.

No, I didn't. I said "for all we know". Because we have litirally no way to know.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

So what are the odds it turns into something that can locate PA or has precog, because unless it does, it loses to PA within a minute at most..

 

[Jugger47]

This is an absolutely hilarious match up and I approve.

That being said, I'd give PA the edge for his intelligence.

Best son for the win/vote

 

[FDrybob]

PA wins due to higher intelligence.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So what are the odds it turns into something that can locate PA or has precog, because unless it does, it loses to PA within a minute at most..

I litirally told you that it's impossible to tell.