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The comics are made to be canon with the game, also he wasn't flexing or on guard when kicked through eitherI saw someone mention him having cuts from glass in a gameplay? I am starting to doubt comic canonicity more and more…
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Fraseandchico
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Man, just reread that last comic and realised that Elliot was so close to actually being able to join the Brave Brigade and not become shroud, had he not let his emotions or whatever compelled him to jump straight to shooting Mecha Man Astral control him - Robbie said that if Eli came back the next day, he'd know he'd have a real hero on his hands, and then he came back the same day with a gun in hand. I'm not saying Robbie was a good in the slightest mentor if this was his method, but...
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On less sad note, I want to note some more stuff with the laser timing I mentioned previously - I noticed in episode 6's boat scene there's also some laser dodging for Invisigal, straight line stuff and looks like a laser, potentially? At very least a cursory and not-quite-perfect calc would get another potential relativistic combat/reaction speed thing (That's important, since it obviously ain't for movement), so there's a bit more evidence for that (And IMO considering we have multiple characters shooting seemingly light-based attacks in Prism and Blazer it's not too unreasonable for Relativistic, at least?)
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On less sad note, I want to note some more stuff with the laser timing I mentioned previously - I noticed in episode 6's boat scene there's also some laser dodging for Invisigal, straight line stuff and looks like a laser, potentially? At very least a cursory and not-quite-perfect calc would get another potential relativistic combat/reaction speed thing (That's important, since it obviously ain't for movement), so there's a bit more evidence for that (And IMO considering we have multiple characters shooting seemingly light-based attacks in Prism and Blazer it's not too unreasonable for Relativistic, at least?)
Fraseandchico
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I personally disagree - Characters like Visi are able to pretty easily dodge all kinds of things, including this laser -in fact, she dodges it a few times, twice offscreen (we see it being fired but we know Visi dodges because her opponent pauses in confusion), once on-screen- but also stuff like Lightningstruck's electric stuff back in episode 2.
not to mention (while it was disagreed with here, I feel it's worth mentioning in this context) Robert being able to move to dodge and then reflect a beam of fire that conveniently happens to do a near 180 degree reflection off of a mirror (which I'm pretty sure only stuff like lasers or light do, but I'm not here to argue that point, just use as evidence). There's also Shroud's mech in Episode 8 using some laser looking attacks that the crew are able to keep up with and avoid fairly consistently.
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Didn't she join them in the end?
Fraseandchico
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BTW just to note that's from when Golem kicks him through a glass door in Episode 7, he doesn't even notice when one is embedded in his back shoulder and right after it's pointed out he just regens it away while responding like someone who just got told they got some sauce on their face while eating spaghetti
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Lasers have to be the most abused lightspeed feats ever. Robert, who is comparable to Visi in overall stats, wasn't even able to dodge a bullet. Visi being able to react to stuff hundreds of times faster than Robert, but still have similar performance to him in the bar fight is the inconsistency. Narratively it makes no sense. All the random NPCs in the bar shouldn't be able to even fight back against people who can supposedly react to lightspeed attacks. Either Robert's dad had a gun that fired FTL bullets and every goon in LA is relativistic, or the verse in general just isn't that fast.
Also complete bs. Visi dodged the electricity after it was fired, but also after hearing Robert's command to duck/go invisible. Even assuming their communications device has absolute 0 delay, there's just no way that bolt of electricity was even going at the speed of sound, let alone the speed of lightning.
Seems like this has already been covered so I won't comment on this. But not every laser beam or whatever travels at the speed of light. Otherwise every other character on this wiki would be relativistic - FTL.
Fraseandchico
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Yeah, and after hearing the command she freezes for a second before actually dodging, you can see it in the clip.
Plot-Induced Stupidity
Plot-Induced Stupidity, or PIS for short, is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot. For example, if a generally competent, intelligent villain does something stupid like not killing the hero immediately when he has...
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Dictionary for laser -
"a device that generates an intense beam of coherent monochromatic light (or other electromagnetic radiation) by stimulated emission of photons from excited atoms or molecules. Lasers are used in drilling and cutting, alignment and guidance, and in surgery; the optical properties are exploited in holography, reading barcodes, and in recording and playing compact discs."
Remind me, what are Photons again?
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I am not getting into this debate, but let it be known that laser feats were a f*cking mistake.
Machmatej
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That's just an antifeat. So she hears a voice command, travelling at the speed of sound, pauses for a moment, and THEN she dodges it? There's no way she could've done that if it was real lightning bolt, or even a bullet.
I'm not talking about Chase or Starblazer, since they're supposed to be speedsters, and even then that's not a relativistic feat or supporting feat. I was talking about Visi being comparable, if not inferior to the guy who can't even dodge a bullet, despite her supposedly being able to react to things moving at lightspeed, or the speed of lightning. That's not plot-induced stupidty, it's clear that the story boarders had a clear image of how fast they want their characters to be.Given how fast Chase moves as Starblazer (hell, even before that given the calc seen for him), he would have easily been able to intercept the bullet but didnt - A pretty cut and dry case of Plot-Induced Stupidity is at play here.Plot-Induced Stupidity
Plot-Induced Stupidity, or PIS for short, is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot. For example, if a generally competent, intelligent villain does something stupid like not killing the hero immediately when he has...
I'm guessing you don't understand how this wiki works. If a character dodges a beam travelling at the speed of light in on instance, but then fails to dodge a bullet in the next, then you have yourself a feat and an anti-feat. You take the one with narrative consistency to the story, and if the only other speed feats comparable to the one where your character dodges a laser is ANOTHER character dodging the same kind of laser, you don't have a supporting feat. You have an outlier.
I don't mean to sound condescending if that's what it seems like, but this is basic stuff.
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Can you like not crash out over laser feats...also electricity afaik has a set speed depending on the medium, in wires its like light speed
Machmatej
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electricity traveling through the air is usually treated as Mach 1.17 or something close to that on the wiki
Fraseandchico
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I'm pointing that out because it shows us that they obviously aren't taking into account the actual speeds these characters have been shown to be able to react to - Hell, you want more examples for how this scene obviously isn't taking into account what these characters are capable of? How about Robert easily reacting to and dodging attacks from Shroud's goons in episode 1 even out of the suit? At absolute mininum those should be comparable to bullets, yet here...
And the one I'm taking is the one that's significantly more consistent throughout the game - lasers from different sources being avoided. Have you considered that you might just be too quick to assume everything is an outlier?
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Man what was all that about
you leave for a day or 2 and the chat is imploding about lasers and FTL
you leave for a day or 2 and the chat is imploding about lasers and FTL
Fraseandchico
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I'm not sure like 4 messages goes into imploding territory... does it?
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okay sorry but I gotta do the nerd emoji it'll be kinda funny
erm actually its relativistic not ftl ermmmm
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okay sorry but I gotta do the nerd emoji it'll be kinda funny
erm actually its relativistic not ftl ermmmm
MrKerf
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Just for a dire shift, not like... officially, I think.
I mean, obviously. But I would be hesitant to give him durability by whether he tries or not.
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Was like 10 different messages
But I personally don't think Relativistic anything is narratively consistent but I'm too lazy to type out all my thoughts on it rn
Fraseandchico
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"Narratively inconsistent"
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consistent across multiple scenes and episodes
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consistent across multiple scenes and episodes
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Relativistic reactions makes every single instance of anyone being caught off guard or surprised by anything not a laser an outlier.
Unless you want to give relativistic reactions to Thundercuck, every goon in the Sardine, and every Red Ring mook in the last fight of Episode 8 thanks to chainscaling.
Fraseandchico
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Ah, yes, because every base form pokemon got the same ftl scaling as final evolutions when that was added to the verse, that's absolutely how this all works.
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Final evolutions my left foot, you were literally suggesting giving Robert and Invisigal Relativistic reactions.
They are two people with no specified superhuman stats, and have fight scenes with loads and loads of goons where they visibly put in effort.
So either every single instance of them not being able to non-chalant dodge is an outlier, or every single Mook they face is similar fast.
Fraseandchico
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Look, I don't think this is going anywhere, and I'll be honest and say that neither of our arguements are particularly convincing. I'll drop the subject, but I'm being completely honest when I say that I think these ends are totally reasonable - If we don't end up using them, fine, whatever, but that's my view and I think there's more than enough evidence for it.
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I think this is just a situation where both parties kinda sucked, and it didn't work out well for either of them.
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Respectfully, why would they even create these comics, include them in the game, and not allow you to read them until you've beaten certain Episodes if they were completely standalone and non-canon? That would just seem stupid, on their part.
It's just an inconsistency, which is there is a handful of with the comics to be fair. But then there's also things that absolutely do line up with what we see in the game. A more comedic example would be Flambae's car. You see him hit Waterboy with it in his comic, then you see a 'coincidentally' similar looking car get crushed by Phenomaman in Episode 4, and then the credits confirm that yes it was, in fact, Flambae's car.
I think they're absolutely intended to be canon.
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They also show Punch Up and Coupe relationship and Malevola friendship with Sonar, Waterboy mentions he lives with his granny which the comic shows too
Heck Phenomaman and Blonde Blazer date followed by their break up is seen in the comic book how it went down, they are literally meant to be canon and explain or show some things
Heck Phenomaman and Blonde Blazer date followed by their break up is seen in the comic book how it went down, they are literally meant to be canon and explain or show some things
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They (the comics) come with the Deluxe Edition and unlock after beating certain Episodes.
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You got to buy the deluxe edition or whatever for like $10 extra bucks officially, though I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve made their way onto some other platforms by now.
Edit; Ninja’d
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I think they are on youtube available too if you search them up there
Machmatej
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The design is different and it has new weapons/abilities so it's not a complete replica. Since it's been called an upgrade and seemed way stronger in the final fight, I'd say its stats are also higher.
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Me personally, I think it definitely seems to be stronger. But I don't think there's any direct statements about that.
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Well recall too that for the last few months~ years or so Robert hasn't had proper money and resources to actually have the suit run in peak condition anyways so he was running around in a busted suit already that from his own words was basically held together by duct tape and shitty patch jobs so the MK3 should be stronger than the MK2 we see at the start of the game due to that fact alone
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That's a good point actually, I hadn't thought about that.
MrKerf
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Hey, we have Marvel Rivals non-canon comics, I have no idea. I think they intended to be canon, but I have a gripe with Punch-Up to a lesser extent, and more so with Shroud lying when he doesn't need to, and about a vital plot relevant point.
Also, I think they sell them in their merch store.
Royd did mention that he used some villain tech for upgrades, and Robert mentioned how impressed he himself was.
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While it's definitely stronger than before, it's probably not orders of magnitude stronger than the old mech he was using, considering his fight against Flambae, who could do some damage to Shroud's spider (while it was powered) alongside Prism (who's busted) and Blonde Blazer (self-explanatory).
Either that or Flambae also got way stronger during his time in SDN.Another Blazer coaching upscale.
Either that or Flambae also got way stronger during his time in SDN.
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The new suit is definitely stronger, as you mentioned his old suit was not going to last much longer with how bad its condition was. Plus new suit channels the pulses energy better shoyld def be stronger.
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