(0-2-0) Dimentio VS One: Dimension One

[Psychomaster35]

Thought I'd find a matchup to do with One considering how she's more on the haxy side of things, so knowing that she's an antagonistic cosmic manipulator who got the power of a green number 2, what's better than to pit her against another antagonistic cosmic manipulator who got the power of the green P2 plumber himself?

Speed is equalized, Super Dimentio and One with Two & Four's Powers are used, and the battle takes place in the depths of space. Both start 50 meters apart from each other, and Dark Prognosticus stuff is restricted for Dimentio.

Who wins?

Master of Dimensions:

Dealmaker: 2 (Arkansalter2, James Plays 4 Games)

All-Seeing Eye:

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So i take it bill is incon?

 

[Psychomaster35]

So i take it bill is incon?

Yes, haven't you heard of jokes people have made for Incon?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yes, haven't you heard of jokes people have made for Incon?

Well yeah but ppl normally don't link the actual page (at least from all the threads i've seen so far)

 

[Awsomeboi19]

This is just Bill vs Dimentio with extra steps
Bill wins
Edit: Realized that Bill is Incon, so Dimentio

 

[Psychomaster35]

This is just Bill vs Dimentio with extra steps
Bill wins
Edit: Realized that Bill is Incon, so Dimentio

I mean, didn't you read the title? Also, reasons?

 

[Awsomeboi19]

I mean, didn't you read the title? Also, reasons?

Dimentio is only able to be harmed by the pure hearts or by scaling higher than him
While I admit one is able to (maybe) beat base dimentio, Super dimentio is straight overkill, if the Mario gang didn't have the pure hearts Dimentio would have destroyed all worlds and possibilities of the Paper Mario World. Including a place where thoughts are turned to universes.
Dimentio wins Low Diff

 

[Psychomaster35]

I should probably get to explaining what One is capable of, then.

Basically, she has the ability to drain and absorb powers with a stare which causes them to be left powerless in the process, plus she's no slouch when it comes to dodging or staying hidden (the latter of which being the most common thing she does). If this wasn't enough, she also has the ability to send people back in time which is something Dimentio doesn't really have any counter to.

 

[Awsomeboi19]

I should probably get to explaining what One is capable of, then.

Basically, she has the ability to drain and absorb powers with a stare which causes them to be left powerless in the process, plus she's no slouch when it comes to dodging or staying hidden (the latter of which being the most common thing she does). If this wasn't enough, she also has the ability to send people back in time which is something Dimentio doesn't really have any counter to.

But can she box tho

 

[Psychomaster35]

But can she box tho

She's moreso the type to resolve things through hax more times than not, and considering how Dimentio isn't involved in her plan to take Two's power (Which she already has), there's not much of a reason for her to be holding back.

 

[Arkansalter2]

2-C vs 2-A.
Said 2-C (One) has access to everything Two and basically everyone else has. Which is including Budget Cuts. Now whether or not One would be able to use that, is beyond me.
I'll go with One here. One typically leads with her hax, which are most of the time thought based. She just insta deleted people as well with a thought too.

One, low diff. Her hax are faster.

 

[Psychomaster35]

2-C vs 2-A.
Said 2-C (One) has access to everything Two and basically everyone else has. Which is including Budget Cuts. Now whether or not One would be able to use that, is beyond me.
I'll go with One here. One typically leads with her hax, which are most of the time thought based. She just insta deleted people as well with a thought too.

One, low diff. Her hax are faster.

Just for clarification, Budget Cuts are straight up never used by her and Super Dimentio resists EE.

Though, vote counted.

 

[Arkansalter2]

st for clarification, Budget Cuts are straight up never used by her and Super Dimentio resists EE.

Ah. Well still, she has countless other hax that she can just use. Can't really be arsed to go through every profile just to see what she could do but theres that.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[AStrangeverse]

not seein much of what Dimentio can even do here, guy doesn't make use of any of his base form's powers

 

[Psychomaster35]

not seein much of what Dimentio can even do here, guy doesn't make use of any of his base form's powers

I'm sure he can just land 1 hit on One given his infinitely large AP advantage

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm sure he can just land 1 hit on One given his infinitely large AP advantage

...One can literally gesture and win, and you're HONESTLY claiming Dimentio is landing either a basic projectile or a melee attack? The Void takes too long to win him the match here.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

What does One and Super Dimentio start with?

 

[AStrangeverse]

What does One and Super Dimentio start with?

Dimentio starts by getting murdered off rip

 

[JustANormalLemon]

To be fair, we never seen one use power absorption on other he didn't made a deal with with the exeption of the yoyelite, same thing with her other wincon haxes(unless I'm missing something)

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Although there's no proof One could absorb the entirety of an infinite multiversal power source in a short time, she could still send Super Dimentio back in time as a win condition, which she conveniently and quickly activates using laser eyes. Most of Super Dimentio's attacks are easy to see coming, so I don't think he'd land a hit first. His first attack is a hand slam that is easy to be above when Mario has platforms to jump to, so with One being able and willing to fly, it should be no problem for her to fly out of Super Dimentio's melee range and intercept the attack with a temporal BFR laser. It's unfortunate that there isn't an exciting technique Super Dimentio could use, but I vote for One winning the battle.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

After One sends Dimentio back in time, wouldn’t the Void still consume One? Or is the Void too slow to do anything for a week? Also would Dimension D be of any note in getting back? Like Dimentio teleports in and teleports out in the present?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

After One sends Dimentio back in time, wouldn’t the Void still consume One? Or is the Void too slow to do anything for a week?

Oh right, I didn't consider how, under no custom narrative, we should probably assume Super Dimentio has the Void active as part of his plan to destroy and then remake all universes. When Dimentio obtained his Super form, there was a sense of urgency, as the heroes had to stop him in order to prevent the destruction of all worlds.

However, One has a pocket reality she goes to that was immune to the BFDI timeline being changed or destroyed. For unknown reasons, One's pocket reality is acausal in the sense that she is unaffected by temporal phenomena when she is within that space, and this isn't a result of the timeline being limited to a single universe. The BFDI timeline encapsulates more than one universe and multiple pocket realms that don't belong to One. That is puny in comparison to the Super Mario series cosmology, but I don't think range is what matters in this case.

Also would Dimension D be of any note in getting back? Like Dimentio teleports in and teleports out in the present?

I don't know. Similar to One's pocket reality, Dimension D seems to be unthreatened by cosmic collapse, albeit this isn't confirmed and could've been a result of Dimentio excluding Dimension D from being a target of the Void somehow. If Dimension D really is a location outside of the Void's influence, that means Super Dimentio's range is enough to have access to all of time and he could find a way back to One in the present. This situation is a little ambiguous, so I'd like see what other people think of it.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

this isn't confirmed and could've been a result of Dimentio excluding Dimension D from being a target of the Void somehow

I would just like to note that Count Bleck basically says that he can’t stop the Void from destroying the world, but this could be explained with Luigi being the ideal host giving Dimentio greater power over the Void, or Count Bleck feeling as if he has done too much evil/just wanting a reason for Tippi to hate/kill Bleck and therefor not stopping the Void from consuming all

 

[Psychomaster35]

I would just like to note that Count Bleck basically says that he can’t stop the Void from destroying the world, but this could be explained with Luigi being the ideal host giving Dimentio greater power over the Void, or Count Bleck feeling as if he has done too much evil/just wanting a reason for Tippi to hate/kill Bleck and therefor not stopping the Void from consuming all

Just for the record, the Void disappears if the Chaos Heart gets destroyed, and that can be done through either killing its user or (Even though this is very unlikely in a combat scenario) Count Bleck marrying Tippi. Since the latter is very unlikely given that One wouldn't even know who those 2 are without prior knowledge, she would have to resort to killing Dimentio, but the latter can pretty much still control the Chaos Heart even in death by leaving a part of his shadow to control it.

This isn't to say that One is out of the running, however, as she can actually drain the powers of the Chaos Heart to nullify it (And by extension, the Void), something that has actually been exploited in canon in which the Pure Hearts were used to counter and nullify the Chaos Heart's abilities.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

This isn't to say that One is out of the running, however, as she can actually drain the powers of the Chaos Heart to nullify it (And by extension, the Void), something that has actually been exploited in canon in which the Pure Hearts were used to counter and nullify the Chaos Heart's abilities.

NLF that she can drain literal infinite energy

st for the record, the Void disappears if the Chaos Heart gets destroyed, and that can be done through either killing its user

Dimentio died, the chaos heart still existed

And was gonna continue destroying everything

Creation, Reality Warping, and Resurrection (Stated he would've recreated all worlds to his own image after destroying them, proven further by the fact that his source of power is comparable to the Pure Hearts)


He would resurrect after all worlds are destroyed, so Dimentio dies, The Void destroys everything, he resurrects, win for Dimentio

However, One has a pocket reality she goes to that was immune to the BFDI timeline being changed or destroyed.

If Dimentio can't destroy said pocket reality, she would need to hop to the new world created by Dimentio, she can't, self BFR

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Would Dimentio’s Creation/Reality Warping help after One send him back? Like making a Time Hole or recreating E. Gadd’s Time Machine/Cobalt Star? (Yes I know it’s from Partners in Time but Paper Mario did meet Mario and Luigi so maybe they talked about time travel and then Paper Mario told Paper Luigi? Or they could have talked about how Mario can just time travel) Also since theres no Paper Luigi do we just give Super Dimentio all the abilities base Luigi has?

 

[Psychomaster35]

NLF that she can drain literal infinite energy

That's only NLF if it's assuming it can drain powers whose dimensional power is higher than what she's been shown to drain, but both are 4-D.

Dimentio died, the chaos heart still existed

Did you not see me mention this already?

Since the latter is very unlikely given that One wouldn't even know who those 2 are without prior knowledge, she would have to resort to killing Dimentio, but the latter can pretty much still control the Chaos Heart even in death by leaving a part of his shadow to control it.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Would Dimentio’s Creation/Reality Warping help after One send him back? Like making a Time Hole or recreating E. Gadd’s Time Machine/Cobalt Star? (Yes I know it’s from Partners in Time but Paper Mario did meet Mario and Luigi so maybe they talked about time travel and then Paper Mario told Paper Luigi? Or they could have talked about how Mario can just time travel) Also since theres no Paper Luigi do we just give Super Dimentio all the abilities base Luigi has?

IIRC There was supposed to be a process of separating Mainline Mario and Paper Mario forms, as we have a separate profile for Paper Mario that only covers feats and abilities from the Paper Mario games and not the mainline games outside of scaling. In terms of what Paper Luigi himself has done Super Paper Mario and prior, he doesn't really have much outside of the ability to squish himself and jump really high.

Also, Dimentio literally hasn't been shown to do that, so we can't say he has it.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Count Bleck marrying Tippi

Not really. They used the Pure Hearts and true love to banish the Chaos Heart, marrying Count Bleck and Tippi was just a way to channel that, which seems to have to happen in that dimension considering Count Bleck could probably just have done it in his castle to banish the Chaos Heart, so still highly unlikely/impossible for One to do.

That's only NLF if it's assuming it can drain powers whose dimensional power is higher than what she's been shown to drain, but both are 4-D.

Is the Yoyolite comparable to an infinite multiversal power source? Also would it still work people? What about the fact that there are 3 targets? (Paper Luigi, Dimentio and the Chaos Heart)

Also, Dimentio literally hasn't been shown to do that, so we can't say he has it.

Damn…

He would resurrect after all worlds are destroyed, so Dimentio dies, The Void destroys everything, he resurrects, win for Dimentio

I don’t think Dimentio can resurrect himself. Super Dimentio’s resurrection are more for others/worlds (recreating/resurrecting worlds in his own image), not himself. And considering he still hasn’t shown up again, I don’t think that’ll work.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Would the Chaos Heart’s prerequisite for use be of any note in the power drain discussion? (“Prerequisite for use: The wielder(s) need to be a perfect host in order to fully use its power, otherwise they will die.”)

 

[Psychomaster35]

Is the Yoyolite comparable to an infinite multiversal power source? Also would it still work people? What about the fact that there are 3 targets? (Paper Luigi, Dimentio and the Chaos Heart)

It's a 2-C source, but it's still the same dimensionality as the Chaos Heart so it should still work. It has no resistance to Power Nullification, after all.

Would the Chaos Heart’s prerequisite for use be of any note in the power drain discussion? (“Prerequisite for use: The wielder(s) need to be a perfect host in order to fully use its power, otherwise they will die.”)

One herself is already evil due to craving power just to cause chaos, and given that the wielder of the Chaos Heart must be evil, she should have no problem in harnessing its power.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

and given that the wielder of the Chaos Heart must be evil

But Luigi is the ideal host for the Chaos Heart, and I don’t really think Luigi counts, and Mr.L is just a hypnotized version of Luigi.

It's a 2-C source, but it's still the same dimensionality as the Chaos Heart so it should still work. It has no resistance to Power Nullification, after all.

Same dimensionality yes, but idk if One can absorb an infinite multiversal power source.

Also question, doesn’t One need to stare at something/grab and hold something to Power Null/Absorb? Cuz the Chaos Heart and Luigi seem to be inside Super Dimentio (Quick note that Dimentio is also inside Super Dimentio). So would she still be able to (stare) Power Null/Absorb when the Chaos Heart is inside Super Dimentio and not visible? And if she tries to do the physical Power Null/Absorb, that would probably give Super Dimentio enough time to slam her

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

If Dimentio can't destroy said pocket reality, she would need to hop to the new world created by Dimentio, she can't, self BFR

Are you sure? I expect Super Dimentio to recreate the multiverse in the same space that the original one existed in, which wouldn't be an issue for a character who has dimensional travel. The VS Battles Wiki rates Super Dimentio's range as "Multiversal+," meaning he can't create another infinite multiverse somewhere else over something like a 5-D background, because "Multiversal+" is all space and time on a 4-D scale and there is nowhere else to go when all of that is destroyed. If I'm misunderstanding something, please clarify.

That's only NLF if it's assuming it can drain powers whose dimensional power is higher than what she's been shown to drain, but both are 4-D.

It's a 2-C source, but it's still the same dimensionality as the Chaos Heart so it should still work. It has no resistance to Power Nullification, after all.

Both can use 4-D power, but on this great scale, One has it to a finite extend while Super Dimentio has it to an infinite extent. One hasn't proven her power nullification ability works against powers that are infinite compared to hers. Super Dimentio's power is like an infinite source of energy One can absorb from without it ever running out, as far as we're aware.

One can drain the time altering power of a Yoylelite, which can affect around 2 universes, while Super Dimentio's power is equivalent to the collapse of ∞ universes. You're arguing that One could drain power equal to ∞ universes in an amount of time that would be relevant to the fight even though this is unsubstantiated based on what we know about One. We know One can drain energy equivalent to 2 universes in a moment, but there's no evidence she can drain any number of universes with that same speed. As an analogy, what you're arguing is like if someone claimed a character who has the feat of quickly draining the power equivalent to a galaxy cluster could, in a versus match, drain the power of a character who has High Universe level (∞ 3-D) power just because the latter character doesn't resist power nullification and they're in the same physics dimension. It would be more accurate to say the characters' power need to be in the same infinity for you to not be assuming no limit.

Not really. They used the Pure Hearts and true love to banish the Chaos Heart, marrying Count Bleck and Tippi was just a way to channel that, which seems to have to happen in that dimension considering Count Bleck could probably just have done it in his castle to banish the Chaos Heart, so still highly unlikely/impossible for One to do.

I think Count Bleck and Tippi marrying in the ceremony scene made the wedding a proper one. If I'm right, this would mean it's the event that matters, not the world it takes place in.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

I think Count Bleck and Tippi marrying in the ceremony scene made the wedding a proper one. If I'm right, this would mean it's the event that matters, not the world it takes place in.

After rewatching the scene, the Chaos Heart seems to teleport somewhere on its own as theres no white box to indicate Bleck or Dimentio did it, and Tippi doesn’t absorb(?) the Chaos Heart like she did with the Pure Hearts. So the Chaos Heart seemed to have gone to its origin point, and with Bleck stating that it’s the only thing they can do, Bleck and Tippi have a (semi) proper wedding to banish the Chaos Heart using pure love and the Pure Hearts. So while I do agree that the world itself isn’t necessary for banishing the Chaos Heart, I do think it’s necessary as that is where Chaos Heart seems to go after Dimentio dies

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Kinda going back to my first question, why is One trying to Power Null/Absorb Super Dimentio? How would she know how powerful Super Dimentio’s powers are? One doesn’t even Power Null/Absorb Black Hole, instead putting him in her dimension despite Black Hole being strong enough to hold back the Yoyolite/One’s time rift. Or when One trapped Donut, with some of Two’s power, in her dimension and instead of Power Absorbing him, One just holds him down with Telekinesis and threatens Donut into giving One his powers. Couldn’t One have just killed Donut for the Two’s power? She’s seen it happen, or did she know killing Donut wouldn’t have done anything? Or do we not use this, like Dimentio BFRing Count Bleck, Tippi and Nastasia before becoming Super Dimentio?

Wouldn’t One try to test out her new powers rather than using her old, seemingly weaker, ones? At the end of TPoT 19, One is feeling pretty good after finally getting Two’s and Four’s powers that she decides to just go on a cosmic rampage, wouldn’t she just try to do the same against Super Dimentio? Would she even assume that getting hit by Super Dimentio would hurt? Cuz Four, even while powerless, didn’t seem to feel any pain from the stove Pencil dropped on him, and One as an algebralien with the powers of Two and Four would probably feel like everyone is weaker than her.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

After rewatching the scene, the Chaos Heart seems to teleport somewhere on its own as theres no white box to indicate Bleck or Dimentio did it, and Tippi doesn’t absorb(?) the Chaos Heart like she did with the Pure Hearts. So the Chaos Heart seemed to have gone to its origin point, and with Bleck stating that it’s the only thing they can do, Bleck and Tippi have a (semi) proper wedding to banish the Chaos Heart using pure love and the Pure Hearts. So while I do agree that the world itself isn’t necessary for banishing the Chaos Heart, I do think it’s necessary as that is where Chaos Heart seems to go after Dimentio dies

I didn't consider that way of seeing it, and your explanation is credible. However, we don't know exactly why the Chaos Heart teleported to the exact spot it did. Maybe you're right and the Chaos Heart teleported to its origin point, but alternatively, maybe the Chaos Heart appears in the room the user died in.

Kinda going back to my first question, why is One trying to Power Null/Absorb Super Dimentio? How would she know how powerful Super Dimentio’s powers are? One doesn’t even Power Null/Absorb Black Hole, instead putting him in her dimension despite Black Hole being strong enough to hold back the Yoyolite/One’s time rift. Or when One trapped Donut, with some of Two’s power, in her dimension and instead of Power Absorbing him, One just holds him down with Telekinesis and threatens Donut into giving One his powers. Couldn’t One have just killed Donut for the Two’s power? She’s seen it happen, or did she know killing Donut wouldn’t have done anything? Or do we not use this, like Dimentio BFRing Count Bleck, Tippi and Nastasia before becoming Super Dimentio?

Wouldn’t One try to test out her new powers rather than using her old, seemingly weaker, ones? At the end of TPoT 19, One is feeling pretty good after finally getting Two’s and Four’s powers that she decides to just go on a cosmic rampage, wouldn’t she just try to do the same against Super Dimentio? Would she even assume that getting hit by Super Dimentio would hurt? Cuz Four, even while powerless, didn’t seem to feel any pain from the stove Pencil dropped on him, and One as an algebralien with the powers of Two and Four would probably feel like everyone is weaker than her.

• Standard Battle Assumptions set a character as viewing their enemies as characters "who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences." This doesn't stop one combatant from being able to underestimate another, but unless Psychomaster35 (the scenario creator) specifies otherwise, we must assume One is interested in winning the battle for the sake of avoiding negative consequences. If One doesn't discover how powerful Super Dimentio is, I believe One would assume she's invincible in this scenario, but at the same time, she isn't like Saitama from One-Punch Man who would intentionally get hit in hopes of taking damage due to him being depressed that he doesn't take damage anymore. Like you wrote, it's more likely One would be going on a "cosmic rampage," which means, y'know, flying around and shooting long-ranged attacks, which we're never seen Super Dimentio skillfully outplay.
• One having Four's powers means she has the ability to perfectly understand how other characters think. For example, during BFB 22, Four was able to look in Woody's mind to understand what he was saying through unintelligible way of speaking, and Four was able to scan X's brain to know everything in it. One hasn't used this ability, but it seems easy to use and if she would use it in this battle, she would discover how powerful Super Dimentio is.