Digimon Lucifer Vs Pokemon God: Lucemon SM vs Arceus.

[MugenRyu]

This match was going to happen sooner or later so I thought I might as well be the one to start It.

-Both are 2-C (No Larva, While Arceus Is missing The bug and Grass plate)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Arceus

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucemo


Llama God


Demonic Spyro

 

[MugenRyu]

Bump

 

[LSL7699]

Lucemon. Bump

 

[MugenRyu]

@LSL7699 Reasons for going with Lucemon?

 

[SITHISIT]

Lucemon via mid godly regen and far more versatile hax and concrete feats.

 

[MugenRyu]

Lucemon does not have Mid godly regen on his profile

 

[MugenRyu]

Bump

 

[LSL7699]

@Mugen

Because he have more hax and his hax are much stronger than Arceus even during Multi-universe level.

 

[DaFritzi]

My vote for Arceus. Reasons:

Lucemon entirely lacks Regenerationn, while Arceus has a broken version of low-godly regen (his consciousness is everywhere and in everything in the multiverse including space and time)

Most of Lucemons hax are negated by Arceus plates

Arceus has better and more versatile conceptual manipulation

Arceus has an enormous intelligence advantage

By erasing malice from the concept of emotion Arceus nullifies Lucemons Immortality

Also please notice that Lucemons abilities are split by his key, the 2-C form does not have access to all the hax listed on his page.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Lucemons immortality functions as regen as well. As long as malice and sin exist in the hearts of man, he will be reborn.

Also, his Satan Mode form has all the powers of every demon lord. I should probably clarify that in the profile better.

 

[DaFritzi]

Then his regen will be nullified as well, the moment Arceus erases malice from the concept of emotion.

What I meant was that he doesn't have access to the hax of his larva form, cyber sleuth form and true form.

 

[MugenRyu]

Lucemon Has access to all the hax on the page no matter the version, the only difference wth the stronger keys Is that their vastly superior In every regard.

 

[Reppuzan]

@DaFritzi

About that, I'm still against the idea of Arceus just erasing emotions for the hell of it. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been implied that he can/would do it, and the idea that it would be his first move is ridiculous.

I'm also opposed to the idea that Arceus has Low-Godly Regen based on an extremely vague statement that doesn't even constitute regen (as I told you before, Darth Sidious does not have regen for inserting his mind into a cloned body).

Furthermore, there are abilities that would NOT fall under any of the plates.

For example, Lilithmon's Nazar Nail, which simply corrodes away anything she pokes with her claw.

Or Beelzemon's Primal Orbs, which allow him to wipe targets from existence and absorb their powers.

Or Leviamon's ability to simply devour the universe and everything in it.

Then there's his own sealing ability, which allowed even his Rookie form to seal a Tier 2 being.

 

[DaFritzi]

@MugenRyu

That is not how Keys work. If it was like you said his abilities wouldn't be split into keys at all, only the rest of the page would be split.

 

[Reppuzan]

@DaFritzi

We're still making revisions, but we already agreed that Lucemon has the abilities of the other Demon Lords due to being a Super Demon Lord who bears all of their crests and uses them in combat.

Furthermore, Powers and Abilities usually include everything before the Key as well unless explicitly specified.

I would also like to bring up the fact that Lucemon can also negate Arceus's "regen" by eliminating its cycle of reincarnation and rebirth.

 

[DaFritzi]

@Rep

Both Arceus conceptual manipulation of emotion, as well as his low-godly regen have been accepted by Cal, DT and others and added to his profile.

It most likely would not be his first move. It is an option Arceus will resort to at some point during the fight, taking Arceus intelligence into consideration it is something that will definitely happen.

I said his plates negate most, not all. Just to mention it Arceus has resistance to spacetime erasure.

About abilities and keys. I know that they include the abilities before them. I was talking about the larva, cyber sleuth and true form abilities which come after the satan mode.

Blocking Regen might work against the original body, but Arceus consciousness has the option of creating a new Llama body instead of regenating the old one.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

"About abilities and keys. I know that they include the abilities before them. I was talking about the larva, cyber sleuth and true form abilities which come after the satan mode."

No Lucemon has different abilities than another. Each Falldown Lucemon has the same techniques and abilities. Only thing that is not transferred is Cyber Sleuth only abilities, in which scales to only CS and True Forms.

Blocking Regen might work against the original body, but Arceus consciousness has the option of creating a new Llama body instead of regenerating the old one.

You are not understanding. Lucemon automatically blocks Resurrection, Regen and Rebirth. Meaning once Arceus is killed he will become apart of Lucemon due to having his consciousness unable to create a new body and being sent to the Dark Area.

"I said his plates negate most, not all. Just to mention it Arceus has resistance to spacetime erasure."

Name everything these plates negate please. Also this is assuming Arceus automatically switches to said plate. Toxic Plate would not stop Nazar Nail btw.

Where the heck is Cal???? I at least took time out of playing Persona 5 for this...He has no excuse..(And no, college or life is no excuse XD)

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Both Arceus conceptual manipulation of emotion, as well as his low-godly regen have been accepted by Cal, DT and others and added to his profile."

Just because it's been accepted doesn't mean it can't be overturned. Nothing in any profile is absolute.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also can we not worry about Arceus downgrades here and just focus on what have? Our votes will change if anything meaningful happens.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm staying away from Digimon, let alone Arceus. Especially because I'm already about to feel some type of way reading this.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

However, I will say one thing. I don't believe that Lucemon's negation gets past Arceus' M-Body creation. It' like saying that if Lucemon kills a Low 2-C avater of Oblivio (who also creates M-Bodies), he'd kill the true Oblivion.

@Repp. I'm gonna make a Power for manifestation and change it to that.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is this regen an avatar or not? It doesn't cancel the creation of Avatars.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's an avatar. That's why Repp is so against the regen (which I'm starting to agree with)

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well Lucemon can't stop avatars. I mean technically this Lucemon is an avatar.

 

[Executor_N0]

This is interesting, I hope my internet comes back so I can analyze it more carefully. For now I do not know who will win ...