Did nine create lightning around himself?

[TimmyTurnero]

As the title suggests, this thread will be discussing this scene here.
Nine charges up and sends an attack out, over time we see the attacks develop more and transform into the dragons but thats not the importance of the scene.
At the beginning of this scene we get a thunder sound effect, similar to lightning, as he shoots out several zigzagging blue objects out of his body, they also produce a bright flash of light, similar to lightning.
This above would be enough for it to be said lightning.
Even before this shot we see him visibly angry at Bakugo and Deku and starts to charge up an attack. During this scene we can see that nine is producing lots of lightning around his body and in the next scene we see multiple lightning like objects shooting out from him.
This should be enough for it to be called lightning as far as im concerned.
Some may try to argue “the thunder it generated and the flash of light it created were simply a stylistic effect and shouldnt be taken serious” and for this argument to work you would simply need to provide reasoning and evidence for why this shouldnt be taken serious.
Not only that, arguing he hasnt “done anything like this before” doesnt work as a valid argument as he is shown to have been user more of his powers which enable him to do a lot more with his quirks that he had previously could. We see this as he was capable of generating hundred of his dragons while before he was only shown to do 2. He also gained the ability to produce lightning his body.
In that same image we see the purple effects around him have grown to cover large portions of his body which is signaling that he is using even more power. He even says in one scene “now I wont have to hold back” as he is using more power and the purple effects are popping up.
Before this we have never seen his dragons produce blinding lights or produce the sound of thunder (nor have they been bright blue in the middle of development) meaning these are clearly different from before and it being different wouldnt contradict anything, if anything it supports.
So ill let this sit for a while to see what others have to say then we’ll see if it will be accepted. If it is then I can calc a feat shown in the scene.

 

[KingTempest]

We have standards for lightning.
This doesn’t fit a single one

 

[TimmyTurnero]

We have standards for lightning.
This doesn’t fit a single one

“the character being able to manipulate real electricity”
He has been shown to do this in multiple occasions.
“Lightning that has demonstrated at a minimum a few properties that real lightning has, and significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have, can be considered real” so them creating bright flashes of light and having a thundersound effect isn’t enough to consider them similar (they even look like lightning)?

 

[KingTempest]

Lightning Feats

Many fictional characters make use of attacks or equipment that produces lightning or electricity. As such it useful to know how to quantify lightning feats. Most electricity in fiction is not real lightning. Often it is supernatural in nature, and is possibly not even electricity. Therefore...

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not a single requirement was fulfilled

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Not lightning. Those are Nine‘s dragons. We don’t see Deku or Bakugo dodge a single lightning bolt, just multiple of the same dragon heads they already dodged earlier in the movie, then Bakugo destroys them. It doesn’t fit any standard for lightning as Tempest said.

It’s a stylised action shot, that’s all. Even if it was lightning, you’d have to prove it’s as fast as cloud-to-ground lightning.

Nine produces a lightning-like aura around himself, but its no different than Deku or Bakugo or All Might’s lightning aura. It’s a style thing. It doesn’t make them lightning timers.

 

[KingTempest]

“the character being able to manipulate real electricity”
He has been shown to do this in multiple occasions.
“Lightning that has demonstrated at a minimum a few properties that real lightning has, and significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have, can be considered real” so them creating bright flashes of light and having a thundersound effect isn’t enough to consider them similar (they even look like lightning)?

So 1 standard. Not enough

 

[TimmyTurnero]

He is shown to be able to generate cloud to ground lightning and when using more of his quirk he is shown to produce lightning from not only clouds but his body as well.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

So 1 standard. Not enough

Im sure him being able to control lightning and them having bright flashes of light along with the sound of thunder is 2 standards. It also said if it has less things considering its lightning than going against then it can be considered real

 

[KingTempest]

Im sure him being able to control lightning and them having bright flashes of light along with the sound of thunder is 2 standards. It also said if it has less things considering its lightning than going against then it can be considered real

Where are any of those outside of the being able to control lightning stated to be requirements?

 

[AtomicSekiro]

So, prove that lightning is as fast as cloud-to-ground lightning.

Also show us where he uses this lightning as an actual attack; NOT “turning it into dragons” as I’ve already debunked, that was a stylised shot.

How do you know if that lightning was from his body? He’s surrounded the entire area in storms. Stands to reason he could simply “grab” lightning from the nearby storm he made.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Not lightning. Those are Nine‘s dragons. We don’t see Deku or Bakugo dodge a single lightning bolt, just multiple of the same dragon heads they already dodged earlier in the movie, then Bakugo destroys them. It doesn’t fit any standard for lightning as Tempest said.

It’s a stylised action shot, that’s all. Even if it was lightning, you’d have to prove it’s as fast as cloud-to-ground lightning.

Nine produces a lightning-like aura around himself, but its no different than Deku or Bakugo or All Might’s lightning aura. It’s a style thing. It doesn’t make them lightning timers.

Dodging the bolts are irrelevant, this discussion is for discussing if he generated lightning there or not. We can see they start off as (ive stated in the OP) and as they travel out they then start to form. Originally they were not dragons.
Im sure they fit at least 2 of the standards.
Nine produces lightning from his body and I dont see what suggests that is a stylistic choice such as full cowl.

 

[KingTempest]

The only standard it follows is that the user manipulated real lightning.

Making a flash of light and making a rumbling sound are not standards.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Where are any of those outside of the being able to control lightning stated to be requirements?

“Lightning that has demonstrated at a minimum a few properties that real lightning has, and significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have, can be considered real.”
It producing a bright flash of light in a short time frame would make it like real lightning because of this here
“Lightning is visible as a flash of light because of both incandescence (due to its high temperature it glows blue-white) and luminescence (excitation of nitrogen gas in the atmosphere). Nitrogen, the dominant gas in the atmosphere, is excited by this strong flow of energy, its electrons moving to higher energy states.” They also produce thunder which is caused by this. Is this not enough?

 

[AtomicSekiro]

They are not lightning. They are dragons. Even have their heads.

Nine could make these dragons without lightning several times earlier in the movie, but now all of a sudden he does? Why?? What’s your headcanon explanation for this??

It’s a stylised shot. The only quirk he’s using here, is Dragons. Stronger versions of his dragons, sure, but it’s still the same Dragons quirk. You can’t prove they are made of lightning, even if you could, you can’t prove they carry the same speed as lightning, and so you can’t make a calc on it that would be accurate or valid.

Can you show a single instance of Nine using lightning to attack outside of the giant cloud-to-ground lightning attack he uses? And don’t use this DRAGONS scene, as it’s already debunked.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

So, prove that lightning is as fast as cloud-to-ground lightning.

If its shown to be like real life lightning then normally it would be at that speed, by this wiki’s standards they would be. If youre gonna argue its not that then prove it.

Also show us where he uses this lightning as an actual attack; NOT “turning it into dragons” as I’ve already debunked, that was a stylised shot.

The point of this isnt him attacking with the lightning, its rather they are considered lightning or not.
Them turning into the dragons is irrelevant and where have you debunked that? I dont recall you proving anywhere it was a stylistic shot, please quote that response that proved that

 

[KingTempest]

“Lightning that has demonstrated at a minimum a few properties that real lightning has, and significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have, can be considered real.”
It producing a bright flash of light in a short time frame would make it like real lightning because of this here
“Lightning is visible as a flash of light because of both incandescence (due to its high temperature it glows blue-white) and luminescence (excitation of nitrogen gas in the atmosphere). Nitrogen, the dominant gas in the atmosphere, is excited by this strong flow of energy, its electrons moving to higher energy states.” They also produce thunder which is caused by this. Is this not enough?

Standards on our wiki, the link i provided.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Show a single instance of Nine using lightning to attack by projecting it from his body. Can you do this?

It’s a stylised shot, just like Deku spinning so fast that he literally becomes a green tornado of energy and light. Just like the shot of Deku’s full cowling lightning hitting Nine and showing his skeleton and muscular structure, implying OFA’s lightning harmed Nine.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

They are not lightning. They are dragons. Even have their heads.

The op has already addressed this, they did not always start off with dragon heads and as they are developing as they travel out.

Nine could make these dragons without lightning several times earlier in the movie, but now all of a sudden he does? Why?? What’s your headcanon explanation for this??

Ive literally went over this in the OP, hon creating them out of lightning now means nothing, him doing it now could be him getting more speed from them or other unknown reasons, the fact remains that he did it.
(Accidentally took of your quote)
“It’s a stylised shot. The only quirk he’s using here, is Dragons. Stronger versions of his dragons, sure, but it’s still the same Dragons quirk. You can’t prove they are made of lightning, even if you could, you can’t prove they carry the same speed as lightning, and so you can’t make a calc on it that would be accurate or valid.”
I have proved they were made out of lightning. You also claimed hes only using dragon quirk despite him creating a tornado under himself which shows hes also using weather operations.
He has shown that he can indeed combine his different quirks such as when he created a tornado and produced his finger lasers inside them as well. So if youre gonna assert the possibility that he was only using one quirk and its impossible for it to be more than one, at least give evidence for that. If they fit the standards for lightning then its your job to prove they arent the SOL. Nothing suggests they arent moving at that speed and the fact that we already see several times that his lightning quickly strikes the ground very fast in scenes he isnt using them to attack suggests they are at that speed.

Can you show a single instance of Nine using lightning to attack outside of the giant cloud-to-ground lightning attack he uses? And don’t use this DRAGONS scene, as it’s already debunked.

You havent debunked the dragons but if you insist here ya go

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Also, a correction: Nine’s purple lines isn’t him “going all out”, that’s his cells dying. It happens right after he takes the dad’s quirk too, and multiple other times in the movie.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Standards on our wiki, the link i provided.

The standards say showing properties similar to real lightning, i sent proof that proves it shares properties similar to lightning. I dont think I understand

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Ahh yes, a 244p screenshot of an animated scene thats waaaaay too zoomed in and never meant to be zoomed in like that is totally valid and accurate evidence for your claims. Show me Nine making dragons out of lightning on any other scene in the movie, and also show me him firing lightning from his hands as an attack. Also prove these “lightning dragons” are the same speed as lightning. Assuming they ARE made of lightning, doesn’t mean they carry the same speed, just like Aooyama’s “naval laser” which Nine and friends reacted to.

You didn’t prove they were made of lightning. You SAID they were but did not prove it. I don’t need to prove anything about the lasers because I didn’t claim anything about them.

??? What did your last two images here show?? There’s no lightning in these shots.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Show a single instance of Nine using lightning to attack by projecting it from his body. Can you do this?

It’s a stylised shot, just like Deku spinning so fast that he literally becomes a green tornado of energy and light. Just like the shot of Deku’s full cowling lightning hitting Nine and showing his skeleton and muscular structure, implying OFA’s lightning harmed Nine.

I did, i sent the post a while ago so while you’re reading it itll be there.
“Its a stylistic shot” another claim you have yet to prove.
Deku spinning super fast that he turns into green light wouldnt fit here, plus this just means the electricity around him is just rotating at insane speeds.
Deku shocking nine I would agree to be stylistic choice but you can make the argument that it proves his electricity is an actual thing instead of just stylistic choice. Isnt there a scene in the manga where his lightning is shown to be effecting water on the ground?

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Also, a correction: Nine’s purple lines isn’t him “going all out”, that’s his cells dying. It happens right after he takes the dad’s quirk too, and multiple other times in the movie.

This i agree but the larger effects meaning hes using more of his quirks and he does state he isnt holding back

 

[AtomicSekiro]

You haven’t shown a single shred of evidence for anything you’ve claimed. Also, Nine’s dragons making a “rumbling” sound effect isn’t evidence they are made of lightning.



0:33. One dragon made a sound effect. Now imagine Nine making 20 dragons at once in that shot. It’s going to sound like a massive rumbling, like thunder. That’s how sound works.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Ahh yes, a 244p screenshot of an animated scene thats waaaaay too zoomed in and never meant to be zoomed in like that is totally valid and accurate evidence for your claims. Show me Nine making dragons out of lightning on any other scene in the movie, and also show me him firing lightning from his hands as an attack. Also prove these “lightning dragons” are the same speed as lightning. Assuming they ARE made of lightning, doesn’t mean they carry the same speed, just like Aooyama’s “naval laser” which Nine and friends reacted to.

Its zoomed in so you can see the bolts before they transform, if you believe they arent valid you can view the scene yourself, they still support my statement.
Ive addressed many times over why him not doing it any other time in the movie does not make this scene wrong or a stylistic choice. At this point im starting to believe you are ignoring that.
Ive showed him shooting lightning as an attack out of his hands, not sure why you keep begging for this.
Im not assuming they are made of lightning, ive given many reasons of that suggests they indeed. By the wiki standards if there is proof they are like real life lightning they are inherently at that speed, if you dont agree with that give evidence that suggests its not at that speed.
Why are you bringing up nine reacting to the laser? It’s literally irrelevant.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

But they’re not bolts, they’re dragons, they’re just so far away and drawn in low detail because, again, this is an ANIME MOVIE, that’s now animation WORKS. Does Nine suddenly not have a face because we can’t see his face in several shots in the same fight?



You did not show him firing lightning from his hands.

It’s very relevant. You just can’t comprehend why because it’d show how hypocritical your argument is.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

You haven’t shown a single shred of evidence for anything you’ve claimed. Also, Nine’s dragons making a “rumbling” sound effect isn’t evidence they are made of lightning.

??? Ive literally given links for everything ive stated, what are you talking about?
His lightning like dragon’s making the literal sound of thunder means they share properties of lighting. Do you know what causes thunder?
Why are you trying to equate the sound of his dragon impacting Bakugo to his dragons that create a bright flash AND have a rumbling sound effect? Thats easily a false equivalence.

0:33. One dragon made a sound effect. Now imagine Nine making 20 dragons at once in that shot. It’s going to sound like a massive rumbling, like thunder. That’s how sound works.

If he makes 20 at once you would just hear the sound they make upon creation even louder, not the literal sound for thunder.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Thunder is caused when something pushes air out of the way super fast. Nine created his dragons SUPER fast, which caused a thunder-like sound.

Bright flash = stylisation, just like Deku’s lightning harming Nine and flashing the screen.

This is false. You still haven’t shown Nine firing lightning from his person as an attack.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

But they’re not bolts, they’re dragons, they’re just so far away and drawn in low detail because, again, this is an ANIME MOVIE, that’s now animation WORKS. Does Nine suddenly not have a face because we can’t see his face in several shots in the same fight?

You did not show him firing lightning from his hands.

It’s very relevant. You just can’t comprehend why because it’d show how hypocritical your argument is.

They start off as bolts and as they travel out they begin to grow and show similarities to the dragons, I literally showed this.
Them being far away wouldnt suggest they would be light blue (the color of his dragons) with no details suggesting they are even dragons until later.
Its not even low detail, it literally wasnt a dragon at the start.
I did show him firing lightning out his hands.
Its not relevant and you are literally dodging that. If its so relevant explain how

 

[AtomicSekiro]

False. They started out as dragons and ended as dragons. They are just so far away we can’t see the fine details, like Nine’s face disappearing.

They’re bright blue? So they’re not WHITE, which is the colour of Nine’s lightning?? Thank you for debunking yourself. Again, stylisation.

There is NO LIGHTNING in any of those screenshots. Why are you lying? Where’s the lightning there??

It is relevant. Try reading it again a few more times and THINK.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Thunder is caused when something pushes air out of the way super fast. Nine created his dragons SUPER fast, which caused a thunder-like sound.

Bright flash = stylisation, just like Deku’s lightning harming Nine and flashing the screen.

This is false. You still haven’t shown Nine firing lightning from his person as an attack.

. Thunder is the result of the heat of lightning and the speed o it heating up the air around it. If thats what happened here then its as hot as lightning and moving at that speed.
Bright flash along aide thunder and multiple blue objects are a sign of lightning. Lol.
I did show it what??

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of the air surrounding the path of a lightning bolt. Nothing to do with heat. If it does, that doesn’t matter, it’s not the only way to create the sound similar to thunder. You just need to expand air quickly. THAT IS HOW SOUND WORKS.

No, that’s stylisation. It is dragons, not thunder.

No, you didn’t show it. There’s literally no lightning in those screenshots you sent.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

False. They started out as dragons and ended as dragons. They are just so far away we can’t see the fine details, like Nine’s face disappearing.

They’re bright blue? So they’re not WHITE, which is the colour of Nine’s lightning?? Thank you for debunking yourself. Again, stylisation.

There is NO LIGHTNING in any of those screenshots. Why are you lying? Where’s the lightning there??

It is relevant. Try reading it again a few more times and THINK.

They started as lightning and transformed into dragons.
You claim they started as dragons so do you have proof of that? Ive given valid explanations that suggest they started as lightning.
But since that logic is incorrect and your statement isnt please provide evidence for that.
Nine not having a face there means nothing at all, youre claiming its simply them being low quality yet they arent even similar in color. That argument doesnt work.
They are bright blue, just light his lightning is shown to be colored bright blue, what are you talking about?
In that screen shot you can see the purple lighting he has shown to come down from the clouds of his storms, he shoots this at deku. I dont think you are looking at the screen shot at all.

You refuse to explain why it’s relevant and wont give evidence behind it. Burden of proof man

 

[AtomicSekiro]

They started as dragons and ended as dragons. Prove they were lightning at all.

We see the dragons quirk used multiple times in the film and not once did they start as lightning. So, I would prefer to remain CONSISTENT WITH THE MOVIE instead of making up a headcanon and say they’re suddenly now made of lightning.

Nine not having a face means a lot, considering it’s half of your argument on why the dragons are “actually lightning”.

That isn’t lightning he’s using at Deku. And his lightning has never been purple. His ENERGY is purple, not his lightning. His lightning is white. He doesn’t shoot this at Deku anyway, he swipes to the side with his arm but never actually throws an attack before Deku hits him.

I don’t need to explain something you are purposefully ignorant to.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of the air surrounding the path of a lightning bolt. Nothing to do with heat. If it does, that doesn’t matter, it’s not the only way to create the sound similar to thunder. You just need to expand air quickly. THAT IS HOW SOUND WORKS.

No, that’s stylisation. It is dragons, not thunder.

No, you didn’t show it. There’s literally no lightning in those screenshots you sent.

“As lightning connects to the ground from the clouds, a second stroke of lightning will return from the ground to the clouds, following the same channel as the first strike. The heat from the electricity of this return stroke raises the temperature of the surrounding air to around 27,000 C° (48,632 F°). The rapid rise in temperature creates a rapid increase in the air pressure as well, rising to 10 to 100 times the normal atmospheric pressure. Under such pressure, the heated air explodes outward from the channel, compressing the surrounding air. As the heated air expands, the pressure drops, the air cools, and it contracts. The result is a shock wave, with a loud, booming burst of noise sent in every direction”
Thats what causes the sound of thunder bud, the speed and heat of it.
Can you show me examples of something thats not lightning creating thunder sound effects? Sorry if this is something well know between yall as I personally didn’t know.
You have yet to prove they started out as dragons and were always dragons and disproving all of my evidence at the same time.
I did show it, I dont think you have looked at the images. Just to confirm you are could you link them back. If they are the same images ill just have to explain how its lightning then.

you can go ahead and type more arguments ill respond to them tomorrow because for me its 2 am and I hate pulling all nighters.
Ill catch you later today

 

[Damage3245]

I think that AtomicSekiro makes the most sense here.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Ev

I think that AtomicSekiro makes the most sense here.

Evaluate my 5% calc

 

[AtomicSekiro]

I’ve already debunked you and you haven’t shown real proof to counter. I’m not repeating myself again and again and again.

Got any new arguments?

Can you show me Nine firing white lightning out from his person as an attack??

 

[AtomicSekiro]

You know how when a jet goes super, super, super fast and it makes that loud sound? That loud rumbling sound?? And yet the jet isn’t made of lightning??

It’s because it’s going super fast and pushing the air out of its way, and your ears can only interpret that pushing of air as a loud rumble or boom sound. That’s how sound works.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839335296290127912/869467758344163348/image0.png

This is one of the screenshots you sent. Where is the lightning? That purple energy isn’t lightning. It’s either Nine’s purple lasers, or the purple energy that is shooting out of his back which no one really knows what it is. Nine’s lightning has never been shown to be a thick, consistent swathe of energy purple in colour. It looks like lightning when he uses his lightning.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839335296290127912/869467758960721930/image2.png

You also sent this which I don’t even know what it’s trying to show. There is no lightning here.