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DiC Revisions

GiverOfThePeace

GiverOfThePeace

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Alright so I think DiC Link & Ganon are missing some hax and they should gain some upgrades/revisions.

Let's do some simple revisions first

AP & Lifting Strength

Link
"Small Building level (With the Magic Bracelet, Link resisted Ganon's magic, which can move the North Castle into the Underworld, Link can destroy chains that could easily hold his normal form's powers at bay)"

^From what's explained here his physical strength is augmented to small building, so why is his durability Wall level? His durability should be changed to: "Small Building level, higher with Forcefield Ring. (With the Forcefield Ring, Link can no-sell countless Octorok blasts at once)

While on the subject of his small building rating...

Gano
"At least Small Building level with spells (Turned a lizard into a giant dragon as a distractio, sunk the North Castle into the Underworld with his magic, accidentally killed Gohma with a single fire attack, created a glass vase so strong that Link and Zelda together couldn't break it, Can magically immobilize even Link, created a bomb that ended up oneshotting him and 4 of his minions, created a spell that he thought killed Link, inadvertently caved in his evil lair)"

Several problems here, firstly, the north castle sunk due to a magnet he had, not via his magic:

https://youtu.be/TstnPWNdk10?t=546 And no, he didn't even make the magnet:

https://youtu.be/TstnPWNdk10?t=378

"Me find overworld magnet just like Ganon tell me too" this is a magnet from the overworld, not one of Ganon's creations. It can give him Magnetism Manipulation however as part of his optional equipment. Secondly the rest require calcs, Gohma's look to be wall level in size, and that bomb feat needs to be calc'd, the same with he caved in feat. I doubt anyone asides from magic bracelet Link & Ganon would scale to that however.

(Side note, If he does get downgaded, power bracelet Link should be "At least Wall level, higher with Forcefield Ring")

Also this downgrades Ganon's Class M lifting strength as it's once again not his magic.

Hax & Resistances

Link
First and foremost Link should straight up have Dimensional Storage:


https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=286

I don't think anyone would disagree with this, it's pretty blatant.

Possible 4th wall awareness, this has been done twice so I think it can be used:
https://youtu.be/Nns3pmhkpVM?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=199

https://youtu.be/rBeGTChEuuI?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=468

Power Nullification, Link's sword here nullifies the magic of the Zola:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yd9shD5HQU&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=890

He also restores the Dragon from Ganon's magic:

https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=655

Teleportation via whistle:

https://youtu.be/fKyWGNIhiVk?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=924

Limited Flight with his shield:

https://youtu.be/z4D9hQ8wEk8?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=916

Link can harm intangible beings (of elemental variety):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUdOd8cahU&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=308

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUdOd8cahU&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=760

He also seems to make them unable to reform, so possible Regenerationn Negation?

Finally, there's either Existence Erasure or Soul Destruction, allow me to explain.

Beams in this verse can destroy your body and soul as Zelda states that the beam bouncing around weakened Ganon's magic which only destroyed Link's body and not his spirit:

https://youtu.be/vw-koymgLXw?t=271

This is further shown as Link as a spirit was afraid of being hit by his own sword beam:

https://youtu.be/vw-koymgLXw?t=452

If the argument is "well Link just forgot he was just a soul in that moment", that's actually not the case as literally a couple of seconds ago he remembered he was a soul:

https://youtu.be/vw-koymgLXw?t=440

He also doesn't forget about him being a spirit again after that specific scene except for one more time where he wasn't thinking about that cause Zelda agreed to kiss him (which is his like, entire arc for this entire series), also whenever it's meant to be a scene played for laughs about him forgetting he's a spirit they specifically mention it, they make no mention of it here and Link just tells her she's shooting it wrong. In conclusion, there's a lot pointing against that argument.

If this is accepted, Link should gain a resistance to either of the two accepted as the beams affect magical beings more and humans in the verse are more resistant to it:

https://youtu.be/fKyWGNIhiVk?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=657

To argue against the "well then it only works on magical creatures", firstly, Link's affected by Ganon who uses similar power:

https://youtu.be/rBeGTChEuuI?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=250

Again, Link as a spirit moves out the way of one of his beams, scared to be hit by it:

https://youtu.be/vw-koymgLXw?t=452

Regular non-magical objects have the same effect as when the beam hits magical beings:

https://youtu.be/KWFPnf5oLqg?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=208

So yeah, there you go.

Link should also have Resistance to magic with power bracelet, it literally states in his AP "Resisted Ganon's magic".

Resistance to Fire as Link can block fire with his shield: https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=647

That should be it for Link. Now for pig dude.

Gano
It's explained that if Ganon or his minions are ever killed they go into the evil jar, right? Well Ganon is shown to perm kill them afterwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4VkfYaP1w&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=382

So Resurrection Negation

Telekinesis:

https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=427

Necromancy:

https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=459

Life Manipulation:

https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=533

Corruption/Unholy Manipulation(?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4VkfYaP1w&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=543

"Statistics Amplification (Can negatively amplify a person's power )" This should be changed to Power Modification, Ganon literally messes with Spirte's magic itself making it where her own spells attacks her.

https://youtu.be/Nns3pmhkpVM?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=519


Ganon has some form of Clairvoyance:

https://youtu.be/_Yd9shD5HQU?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=696

Ganon can create an illusionary form:

https://youtu.be/DWtejpt-XyY?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=368

Surface Scaling:

https://youtu.be/fKyWGNIhiVk?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=708

Ganon is a being made of magic as Link explains the enemies he reguarly fight are magic creatues and calls the lady a "real person":

https://youtu.be/fKyWGNIhiVk?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=665

Ganon creates a mirror that can summo your evil half who will trap you in the mirror and he can throw this mirror from kilometers away and it will home in on you:

https://youtu.be/BZgAVrntBC0?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=220 https://youtu.be/BZgAVrntBC0?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=311

Mind Manipulation:

https://youtu.be/jr0Y4d85eJ8?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=730

Ganon can teleport someone forcefully:

https://youtu.be/fS4w25KNNqs?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=280

Can trap someone in a bubble, which is completely indestructible to all forms of magic from the outside and the inside, even making enemies incapable of teleporting out of it:

https://youtu.be/fS4w25KNNqs?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=282

https://youtu.be/fS4w25KNNqs?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=314

https://youtu.be/fS4w25KNNqs?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=349

Ganon should have resistance to Existence Erasure or Soul Destruction as he can survive two blasts from the beams.

https://youtu.be/fKyWGNIhiVk?list=P....be/fKyWGNIhiVk?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=864

Mind you Link's alternate weapons can EE him within one shot only having him resisting it temporarily to deliver a final shot:

https://youtu.be/Nns3pmhkpVM?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=911

So Resistance Negation for Link?

Speed
Won't go into much detail on this, but Link's sword beams are referred to as beams, travel in a straight line, and only reflect off of mirrors or metallic surfaces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4VkfYaP1w&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=655 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nns3pmhkpVM&feature=youtu.be&list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=834

They also give off one of the colors of a laser: https://cdn2.vectorstock.com/i/1000...ser-beams-neon-tube-light-vector-15202046.jpg

Mind you they take inspiration from the designs and such(for the most part) from the original Legend of Zelda on NES and his sword beams are not remotely the same color: https://youtu.be/6g2vk8Gudqs?t=125

If this is accepted as legit, someone should calc the consistent moments of instances where Ganon & Link dodges his sword beams.

Range

Gano
As stated earlier Ganon's mirror traveled all the way from the nether world to Hyrule Castle, so he should have kilometers via that

Ganon's fire wall extends this far: https://youtu.be/z4D9hQ8wEk8?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=898

Intelligence

Link
"Intelligence: Generally very smart and has knowledge in using many weapons and household items, can be made to look stupid depending on the episode. Can also call upon the advice of the Triforce of Wisdom, which is omniscient." I legitimately do not remember a single episode where he's made to look stupid in the sense that he isn't common sense or combat smart. The only times he's made to "look stupid" I can think of is when he's outsmarted by Ganon... whose literally a tactical genius.

Gano
"Intelligence: Although dimwitted, Ganon is an expert trickster who has been a thorn in Link and Zelda's side for years and has devised dangerous plans; He also outsmarted a magic bubble that was made to specifically counter his magic and force him down a bottomless pit." Same problem here, I legitimately don't remember a single moment where Ganon is dimwitted unless he's outsmarted by Link or Zelda.

Weakness Addition/Removal

Gano
"He can sometimes act in a stupid manner." Again, I legit do not remember an instance like this. He states his teleportation powers are limited in the upper world: https://youtu.be/OE4VkfYaP1w?list=PL1B7BC2060D8E1FD9&t=436

That's about it, wew.
 
Everything looks good to me I think they can be added.

also because of this thread I started watching some of these episodes... They are kind of good campy not to annoying and honestly I don't understand why people think he's an idiot aside from the fact he is just being outsmarted by Ganondork and Princess that always seem to be on her Period?
 
I like the series myself, also yeah idk, from every episode I've seen, he's only ever looked dumb via being outsmarted by two characters.
 
There's no real expert that I know of for The Animated Series on this site, so can we put the upgrades through or wait?
 
All this looks good, in regards to the Ganon is a being of magic thing I think that could count as some form of Inorganic Physiology (I was thinking it could be non-corporeal but from what I recall he's usually portrayed as being physical but correct me if I'm wrong). The speed stuff will need more input to decide if the beams do count as light since these things tend to be controversial, but personally the beams being light seems fine to me. If you haven't already you can pop on over to the calc requests thread to ask for a calc for any instances where the beams are dodged.
 
I didn't pop to the calc request yet since I want to wait until the beams are accepted as light. Unlike Hungry Joker where it's pretty explicit this one is more arguable. I was thinking those physical moments are PIS since they assume him being made of magic don't make him a "real person" and generally they assume that the only thing that can beat Ganon is magic, and the bug feat in general should just be a humongous outlier.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Looks good from a glance.
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Does existence erasure or soul destruction make more sense here? I'm personally on existence erasure since their body and soul are completely gone and the only reason Ganon and his minions return is due to the evil jar.
 
I think Soul Destruction is safer, if there's proof that it regularly destroys the body and soul both at once for other characters; then existence erasure is probably fine.
 
Oh well Zelda states the only reason Link's spirit remained was because the magic got weaker thanks to the triforce of wisdom so EE can be used then.
 
For the speed, I'm uncertain we can assume lightspeed unless stated. Yes they bounce of mirrors or in a strait line, but two of those aren't quite enough context. If they at the very least have a statement of being "A Beam of Light" as a back up alongside those two feats. Then Sure.
 
Alright so can I move through with the upgrades agreed upon? Idc much about speed. If it being called a beam isn't enough I'll just move on with upgrades.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
Alright so can I move through with the upgrades agreed upon? Idc much about speed. If it being called a beam isn't enough I'll just move on with upgrades.
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GiverOfThePeace you have 2 out of 6 for the criteria for light speed feat I can help you find reliable source that say that the beams are laser or something similar to it that mean if we do we will have 3 out of 6 the minimum criteria required to give light speed to this link and Ganon.

Also didn't this universe of link received its own game Canon to the animated universe but non Canon to the main series can't they scall to each other?
 
@Ashen There's actually 5 criteria, and I believe the sword itself emitting photons would count as a 3rd? But that's a bit of a stretch.
 
OK so I kind of have what you want but not in the way you actually wanted it.

Oracle of Seasons If Link has the Noble Sword or the Master Sword, he can fire a Sword-shaped Sword Beam from his Sword while his health is full. If the Light Ring is transferred to Oracle of Seasons in a Linked Game from Oracle of Ages, Link is capable of using it. While wearing the Light Ring, Link can use Sword Beams from the Noble Sword and Master Sword even with up to two Hearts of damage. The Light Ring L-2 increases this limit to a maximum of three Hearts of damage.

This proves that all sword beams in the Canon universe of Zelda are actually beams of light being shot out of the sword and they all need to meet specific requirements to be able to shot beams of lights out of his sword which is all consistent and not only that the Light ring is basically a ring that helps you manipulate light and if you equip it and helps you to bypass the requirements needed to manifest sword beams (no damage) to using them in any situation as long you don't get 3 heart of damage.
 
Well the animated series is heavily inspired from the OG NES game so if there's proof of light beams there I think it's possible to use? I think one of zelda's bows is called the bow of light too but I'll need to check for sure.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
Well the animated series is heavily inspired from the OG NES game so if there's proof of light beams there I think it's possible to use? I think one of zelda's bows is called the bow of light too but I'll need to check for sure.
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It is heavily inspired but I have to ask since what I have posted kind of proves that the sword beams are actually beams of light what would the characters speed be since link uses sword beams in combat and as fought Demise and other characters with that ability and some of them would that upgrade there MHS speed to a relativistic or at least sub relati?
 
All the Game(s) where Link uses the sword beams (of light) The Legend of Zelda The Adventure of Link A Link to the Past Link's Awakening Majora's Mask Oracle of Seasons Oracle of Ages Four Swords Four Swords Adventures The Minish Cap Phantom Hourglass Spirit Tracks Skyward Sword A Link Between Worlds Tri Force Heroes Breath of the Wild


And they all function the same way (to activate it) and can be used in a variety of way like doing a spin a attack to fire them around and other ways too.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
Dunno, would likely need to be calc'd.
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OK should we contact someone on the Calc group to help us with this since by extension this might give you what you wanted for Dic link.

And I'll just make an other thread for the Canon universe so they can get that upgrade.
 
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