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Dexter vs Kei (0-0-0)

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Rules:
Both 9C
Both Start 15 meter away from each other
SBA

Dexter Morgan : @Ebihara
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Kei Nagai :
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KO and incapacitation are wincons and Kei can't do anything to Dexter if he runs out of IBMs.
If that’s the case what’s stopping Dexter from whipping out the M99 tranq or syringe. Simply out skilling him and then tranq or syringe. Yeah Kei loses
 
If that’s the case what’s stopping Dexter from whipping out the M99 tranq or syringe. Simply out skilling him and then tranq or syringe. Yeah Kei loses
They're optional equipment. If this is TV Show Dexter then he would have them as standard equipment but this is Books Dexter.
 
They're optional equipment. If this is TV Show Dexter then he would have them as standard equipment but this is Books Dexter.
Well even if he had it, Kei could do what Sato did, which was to cut off his limb to prevent a tranquilizer from affecting or he also has some resistance to paralysis inducement.

Wincon for dexter is to KO or incap based on your reply.

Wincons I can think for kei right now are:
Dexter wouldn’t be able to see the ibms and could land fatal hits as a result.
Better range.
Another one could be the flood.

Kei can summon between 5-9 ibms iirc and they last 30 minutes, so has around 2:30 to 4:30 hours to kill dexter before they run out.
 
Dexter wouldn’t be able to see the ibms and could land fatal hits as a result.
To be fair I feel like Dexter could probably sense the IBM's, he's got pretty insane senses and straight up precog

But that being said, how to IBM's work? Are they like a stand or something?
 
Yeah they work like stands where only other Ajin can see the IMBs. Similar to dexter’s dark passenger.
So are they intangible or just invisible? Because if they're just invisible is it possible that Dexter could just kill it?
 
So are they intangible or just invisible? Because if they're just invisible is it possible that Dexter could just kill it?
there is nothing on his profile that would lead me to believe they are intangible in any way. Just invisible.

"Blunt attacks cancel out the regenerative capabilities of IMB's by causing particles of different information to mix with their particles, making both particles unable to rebind with each other, but rather dissipate. Destroying the head of an IBM with a blunt attack causes the connection between IBM and Ajin to cut off. IBM's, while naturally invisible to the naked eye, can be seen if strong emotions are aimed at them, such as malice IBM's start to decay as soon as they're created, meaning they become more and more fragile as time passes"

I am taking the stance book Dexter could just see them.
 
So are they intangible or just invisible? Because if they're just invisible is it possible that Dexter could just kill it?
invisible, I am not if he would be able to kill it from the start since their durability will be from 3kj to 3.9kj while Dexter is like 500j using knife to possibly 3kj to 3.9kj using an tire iron. Higher with SA
 
there is nothing on his profile that would lead me to believe they are intangible in any way. Just invisible.

"Blunt attacks cancel out the regenerative capabilities of IMB's by causing particles of different information to mix with their particles, making both particles unable to rebind with each other, but rather dissipate. Destroying the head of an IBM with a blunt attack causes the connection between IBM and Ajin to cut off. IBM's, while naturally invisible to the naked eye, can be seen if strong emotions are aimed at them, such as malice IBM's start to decay as soon as they're created, meaning they become more and more fragile as time passes"

I am taking the stance book Dexter could just see them.
He wouldn’t be able to see it, since he doesn’t have the ibm particles.
 
He wouldn’t be able to see it, since he doesn’t have the ibm particles.
Profile says a strong emotional state would be able to see them though not sure book dexter would get worked up enough over this so probaly doesnt matter much I guess. Eitherway they are just invisible and can be interacted with still, they are tangible things that exist according to the profile, in theory dexter could kill the ibm paritcles and they dont seem very tanky. like king_dom said Dexter's sense's are frankly insane and he basically has precog so it isnt unreasonable to think he could hit the IBM's. Leaning towards dexter at the moment.
 
For the most part I think Dexter has quite a few advantages that would be very hard to fight against and he counters some of what Kei does

However what I do see being a potential issue is a “flood” (although by reading it, it’s seems like something super specific would have to happen in order to trigger it)

One thing that will for sure **** Kei up is Dexters passive fear manipulation. When he’s in a situation where he’s trying to kill someone he can really freak them out. Meaning Kei will probably have less control over his IBM.
 
However what I do see being a potential issue is a “flood” (although by reading it, it’s seems like something super specific would have to happen in order to trigger it)
Depends, he could also create multiple IBMs at the same time to overwhelm Dexter and Kei has more IBM partricles, so he has better control and can some more IBMs than other ajin. They are also faster than dexter.
One thing that will for sure **** Kei up is Dexters passive fear manipulation. When he’s in a situation where he’s trying to kill someone he can really freak them out. Meaning Kei will probably have less control over his IBM.
He would resist the aspect of being frozen by fear due to being an Ajin. It is like a double edge sword cuz it makes him go mad it could trigger the flood.
 
Depends, he could also create multiple IBMs at the same time to overwhelm Dexter and Kei has more IBM partricles, so he has better control and can some more IBMs than other ajin. They are also faster than dexter.

He would resist the aspect of being frozen by fear due to being an Ajin. It is like a double edge sword cuz it makes him go mad it could trigger the flood.
It only really makes him go mad if the Dark Passenger is actively trying to make him go mad (which it literally never does in character). So all it will really do as a passive is just make Kei irrationally uncomfortable around Dexter, at most it'll make him really scared but not to the point of madness
 
It only really makes him go mad if the Dark Passenger is actively trying to make him go mad (which it literally never does in character). So all it will really do as a passive is just make Kei irrationally uncomfortable around Dexter, at most it'll make him really scared but not to the point of madness
Being scare won't really be a problem it would just make attack at range with his IBM as oppose to getting closer to him.
 
Profile says a strong emotional state would be able to see them though not sure book dexter would get worked up enough over this so probaly doesnt matter much I guess. Eitherway they are just invisible and can be interacted with still, they are tangible things that exist according to the profile, in theory dexter could kill the ibm paritcles and they dont seem very tanky. like king_dom said Dexter's sense's are frankly insane and he basically has precog so it isnt unreasonable to think he could hit the IBM's. Leaning towards dexter at the moment.
It does matter because he won't be able to see them, which would allow the IBM to get some hits. "they dont seem very tanky," bro they are unfazed by AR bullets and tank point blank shots from AA-12. Also for the pregco, it happens with his dream, so yeah I do not think it combat applicable. The dark passenger would warm him when he is not seeing something, but I am not sure how that works.
 
So one thing I haven't seen anyone bring up yet. What stops Dexter from just running away, hiding, and then sneaking up on Kei? Kei's enhanced senses only gives him neutral vision which is what allows him to see IBMs but it doesn't give him anything else that would allow him to detect people.
Well even if he had it, Kei could do what Sato did, which was to cut off his limb to prevent a tranquilizer from affecting or he also has some resistance to paralysis inducement.
M99 puts people to sleep, not paralyze.
Wincon for dexter is to KO or incap based on your reply.

Wincons I can think for kei right now are:
Dexter wouldn’t be able to see the ibms and could land fatal hits as a result.
Better range.
Another one could be the flood.
I think Dexter's bloodlust would allow him to see them. Dark Passengers should also be able to sense IBMs as they can sense invisible creatures of similar nature.
As detailed in his Weapon Mastery, Dexter can attack from afar by throwing his weapons
Kei can summon between 5-9 ibms iirc and they last 30 minutes, so has around 2:30 to 4:30 hours to kill dexter before they run out.
It also depends on if he's summoning only one of them or multiple at the same time.
invisible, I am not if he would be able to kill it from the start since their durability will be from 3kj to 3.9kj while Dexter is like 500j using knife to possibly 3kj to 3.9kj using an tire iron. Higher with SA
Dexter scales directly to skull crushing as he can harm enemies who can withstand attacks from his weapons.
It does matter because he won't be able to see them, which would allow the IBM to get some hits. "they dont seem very tanky," bro they are unfazed by AR bullets and tank point blank shots from AA-12. Also for the pregco, it happens with his dream, so yeah I do not think it combat applicable. The dark passenger would warm him when he is not seeing something, but I am not sure how that works.
They're only that tanky at their strongest. They begin to deteriorate the moment they're summoned so they'll become less and less durable as time goes.
 
So one thing I haven't seen anyone bring up yet. What stops Dexter from just running away, hiding, and then sneaking up on Kei? Kei's enhanced senses only gives him neutral vision which is what allows him to see IBMs but it doesn't give him anything else that would allow him to detect people.
He isn't faster than the IBM, also Kei would be able to see what the IBM sees, so yeah it would allow him to detect dexter with his IBM. Also even if he sneaks up on him he would need to knock him out and not kill, which I don't think dexter will do since, he will assume that he can't regen. This will give him time to summon an IBM.
M99 puts people to sleep, not paralyze.
doesn't matter tbh since they have standard equipment
I think Dexter's bloodlust would allow him to see them. Dark Passengers should also be able to sense IBMs as they can sense invisible creatures of similar nature.
As detailed in his Weapon Mastery, Dexter can attack from afar by throwing his weapons
As I already mentioned as to why he wouldn't. Can the dark passenger sense radiation?
As detailed in his Weapon Mastery, Dexter can attack from afar by throwing his weapons
Regen
It also depends on if he's summoning only one of them or multiple at the same time.
He isn't dumb so if one isn't enough he could use multiple at the same time.
Dexter scales directly to skull crushing as he can harm enemies who can withstand attacks from his weapons.
I see, either way their body control would allow the IBM to cut trough Dexter's limbs.
They're only that tanky at their strongest. They begin to deteriorate the moment they're summoned so they'll become less and less durable as time goes.
They will still be in the street level dura it will just go to the lower bound of their range.
 
Also running away would be forfeiting, so say something like use the environment to use his stealth mastery skill or something
 
As I already mentioned as to why he wouldn't. Can the dark passenger sense radiation?
Why does this matter? according to the page they are invisible cause of a perfect "transmittance" according to the page which means light just doesn't reflect off them making them invisble. Not seeing in litteraly any way how sense radiation is even close to being the only way to see or sense them. So I disagree with you and your reasoning.


Flood has been brought up couple times but it says on his page it's a once a life time time emotional event like a love one dying. I fail to see how a fight with 0 emotional stakes or background for him could even come close to this unless he was having a flood for every random villian.

Reading his page has made me want to read his series as it seems interesting so thank you for that. Always love finding stuff in vs threads.
 
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By the way, does Kei resisting the Peculiar Voice count as resistance to fear hax since it's fear-based paralysis? If so then Dexter should be able to resist PC too.
He isn't faster than the IBM, also Kei would be able to see what the IBM sees, so yeah it would allow him to detect dexter with his IBM. Also even if he sneaks up on him he would need to knock him out and not kill, which I don't think dexter will do since, he will assume that he can't regen. This will give him time to summon an IBM.
He may not be faster but he's definitely more agile (speed should just be equalized tbh). I don't know how Kei being able to see what the IBMs see would help against Dexter's stealth other than having more eyes. Their enhanced senses only allow them to detect other invisible beings, not someone who's hiding. Dexter will only need to kill him once to realize he can't be put down. His Dark Passenger can warn him when Kei comes back and summon IBMs.
As I already mentioned as to why he wouldn't. Can the dark passenger sense radiation?
Is the radiation combat applicable? If I remember correctly, normal people can be around IBMs without suffering any ill effects, or at least no immediate dangerous ones.
Which only work when he dies and the IBMs can't regenerate if their heads are destroyed. Dexter can limit the force of his throws so that they'll knock Kei out but not kill him.
He isn't dumb so if one isn't enough he could use multiple at the same time.
I don't think you understood what I was implying. Kei can only summon IBMs for hours if it's just one of them (since the 30 minute timer applies to each individual). Therefore, he'll have less time if he summons multiple. Also, I don't see anything on his profile that says he has an easier time controlling multiple IBMs compared to other Ajins.
I see, either way their body control would allow the IBM to cut trough Dexter's limbs.
No doubt, but Dexter is also more skilled.
They will still be in the street level dura it will just go to the lower bound of their range.
If it falls low enough for them to literally crumble apart then it's enough for Dexter to harm and potentially oneshot them (the baseline of 9-C is 300 J and Dexter is 3000-3900 J).
 
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Why does this matter? according to the page they are invisible cause of a perfect "transmittance" according to the page which means light just doesn't reflect off them making them invisble. Not seeing in litteraly any way how sense radiation is even close to being the only way to see or sense them. So I disagree with you and your reasoning.
Well it matters because they are made from unknown radiation, and the other ways to see them are to have hatred towards them, which I doubt dexter would have hatred towards it, or be an ajin. But if you want we can equalize that aspect since they are similar lmk
Flood has been brought up couple times but it says on his page it's a once a life time time emotional event like a love one dying. I fail to see how a fight with 0 emotional stakes or background for him could even come close to this unless he was having a flood for every random villian.
I just put it there as possible win since dexter could make him go insane or something, but it is not in character for dexter
Reading his page has made me want to read his series as it seems interesting so thank you for that. Always love finding stuff in vs threads.
You should bro, it has been awhile since I read it
By the way, does Kei resisting the Peculiar Voice count as resistance to fear hax since it's fear-based paralysis? If so then Dexter should be able to resist PC too.
I think it has to do with muscle tightening which freezes those who hear it. @King_Dom470 does dexter resist it?
He may not be faster but he's definitely more agile (speed should just be equalized tbh).
He def faster than kei ofc, but not the IBMs.
I don't know how Kei being able to see what the IBMs see would help against Dexter's stealth other than having more eyes. Their enhanced senses only allow them to detect other invisible beings, not someone who's hiding. Dexter will only need to kill him once to realize he can't be put down. His Dark Passenger can warn him when Kei comes back and summon IBMs.
Well you said that he could just run away and hide, but I was saying that kei could just use the IBM to follow dexter. Since they have share vision, I think he would know where dexter is given that the IBM is following.
Is the radiation combat applicable? If I remember correctly, normal people can be around IBMs without suffering any ill effects, or at least no immediate dangerous ones.
Oh no I wasn't trying to say that radiation would kill dexter or something. The IBM are made from radiation, so the dark passenger would need to sense radiation to sense the IBM. it has some negative effects, but dexter would be fine.
Which only work when he dies and the IBMs can't regenerate if their heads are destroyed. Dexter can limit the force of his throws so that they'll knock Kei out but not kill him.
They don't need to die both the IBM and Ajin can regen limbs without dying.
I don't think you understood what I was implying. Kei can only summon IBMs for hours if it's just one of them (since the 30 minute timer applies to each individual). Therefore, he'll have less time if he summons multiple. Also, I don't see anything on his profile that says he has an easier time controlling multiple IBMs compared to other Ajins.
Yeah, but the point of summoning multiple at the same time was to send an all out attack, it is a possibility and if it happens it will be successful since I don't think dexter would be able to handle multiple of them.
No doubt, but Dexter is also more skilled.
Sure
If it falls low enough for them to literally crumble apart then it's enough for Dexter to harm and potentially oneshot them (the baseline of 9-C is 300 J and Dexter is 3000-3900 J).
at their peak the tank point blank shots from an AA12, which is 4.2kj they will start their and go down to 3kj if I am not mistaken.
 
Well it matters because they are made from unknown radiation, and the other ways to see them are to have hatred towards them, which I doubt dexter would have hatred towards it, or be an ajin. But if you want we can equalize that aspect since they are similar lmk
They are similar in some aspects but for the most part they are completely different, first of all the IBM's (as far as I can tell) are basically just really weird invisible particles but they are physical entities, while Dark Passengers on the other hand are ancient demi gods which are non physical and invisible. Also even if Dexter can't physically see the IBM he should be able to just feel the radiation or the Dark Passenger could give him some kind of warning since the DP's can sense emotions.
I think it has to do with muscle tightening which freezes those who hear it. @King_Dom470 does dexter resist it?
Maybe? Dexter has a small resistance to chemically induced paralysis. But if he does "resist" it, he wouldn't completely negate it, I think it would just wear off faster.
Yeah, but the point of summoning multiple at the same time was to send an all out attack, it is a possibility and if it happens it will be successful since I don't think dexter would be able to handle multiple of them.
This would admittedly be a problem but Dexters ability to get little warnings from the DP and his instinctive action should help a lot
 
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