Detroit: Become Human Intelligence & Abilities CRT

[ThePrimalHunter]

This CRT plans to revise the Intelligence & Abilities page of Connor & Markus from Detroit: Become Human. These changes aren't anything super big, but should definetly be on the characters profiles.

Intelligence
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Connor & Markus should both qualify for Extraordinary Genius. Even just using the feats currently on their profile, they should qualify. Connor is capable of making reconstructions of events in a crime scene perfectly. Like, completely perfectly, down to the way the person moved their body, exact movements that they made, ect. Connor can also do this for the future, as he can predict the exact movements down to extremley minut details of events that haven't even happened yet. This alone should put him in Extraordinary Genius. And Markus, having the same abilities and simular levels of intellect, should be the same tier.

But there are more feats that can bump them up, specifically statements from the canon short film "Chloe", where it's confirmed that the RT600 androids (who Connor is superior to) are capable of passing the turning test and making "several billion billion operations per second", which in real life computers is called an exaflop. This is on-par with the most powerful supercomputer in real life, Frontier, which is capable of producing 1 exaflop. Frontier was also designed for "cancer research, drug discovery, nuclear fusion, exotic materials, designing superefficient engines and modeling stellar explosions." Chloe is on-par with if not superior to Frontier in computing power, as it's stated that she can do several exaflops worth of operations per second, while Frontier can only do 1 exaflop per second. Connor is a more advanced version of Chloe, so he should scale above this. Markus is relative to Connor in intelligence, so he'd scale too.

Pretty much, Markus = Connor > Chloe >> The Most Powerful Real Life Supercomputers

For more support on this, Connor is stated to be the 2nd most powerful invention made by Cyberlife, with 1st place just being a slightly upgraded version of Connor. This should put him on par with if not above Cyberlife's Fortune Teller Computer, which can also process several exaflops of data per second, and is capable of perfectly predictiong and calculating "...the probability of 'Mass Extinction Events', such as aggressive alien invasions or global climate disasters like meteors or superviruses." Due to this machine being the most powerful computer on earth and being able to perfectly predict the future, it definetly qualifies for extraordinary genius. Connor, being stated to be one of Cyberlifes best inventions, should be somewhat comparable, granting him Extraordinary Genius intelligence as well, and same with Markus.

And the final nail in the coffin for Extraordinary Genius, the creator of the Androids pretty much confirms that Androids are vastly superior to humans, constantly saying that machines are far better than humans in intelligence and that them taking over was garanteed to happen. This pretty much confirms that androids are vastly smarter than even the most intelligent humans on the planet, which would qualify for Extraordinary Genius.

Social Influencing​

Each of the androids should have social influencing. Markus is pretty obvious, he was the one that started the android uprising, got hundreds of androids to join and die for his cause and broke them out of their programming with just his speaches, he could convince Connor to join his cause (assuming the right choices were made for that to happen), and depending on the path chosen, his protest can work. He can talk the soldiers out of gunning him & his followers down and even make the government change their mind about the android movement.

Connor should also have this too. He was specifically designed with a social module specifically made to make Connor the "ideal partner." He can also get confessions out of androids while skilled interogaters like Hank couldn't get a peep out of the suspect, can talk people into thinking that he's human, and is a skilled hostage negotiator. All of these feats require immense social influencing, so Connor would also have this.

Type 2 Immortality
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Androids should have Type 2 Immortality, and we mainly see this in the Android graveyard. We see androids that have no limbs, are just legs, and some even somewhat operate as just a head. Connor can tank multiple gunshots and androids can even be revived so long as their vital parts are replaced. So long as they aren't shot in the head, they can survive damn near anything. I think that this is decent justification for Type 2 Immortality

That's about it. Thoughts?

 

[AThe1412]

Agree.

 

[Cropfist]

Connor is capable of making reconstructions of events in a crime scene perfectly. Like, completely perfectly, down to the way the person moved their body, exact movements that they made, ect. Connor can also do this for the future, as he can predict the exact movements down to extremley minut details of events that haven't even happened yet. This alone should put him in Extraordinary Genius. And Markus, having the same abilities and simular levels of intellect, should be the same tier.

i disagree here, this is a function of his programming rather than his own intellect.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I agree with Extraordinary Genius, though I would only recommend you add a mock-up of it either in the OP or a new comment that holds a good summary (due to the semi-strictness of Extraordinary Genius ratings). As an example for Connor;

"Extraordinary Genius (As Cyberlife's most advanced android at the time, Connor is superior in intelligence and computing power to RT600 models and the Fortune Teller Computer; androids that are stated to be capable of doing several exaflops worth of operations per second [further explanation here])".

Immortality Type 2 and Social Influencing seem very blatant to me, so I agree with those additions as well.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[Doggo]

agree

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Agree.

 

[AThe1412]

i disagree here, this is a function of his programming rather than his own intellect.

Uh, his intellect comes from his programming so I don't get what you're trying to say here.

 

[Mephistus]

Agree.

Also i want these robots IRL.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Agreed

 

[Hixkaryana]

So when are we getting a page for our poor Kara?

 

[Therefir]

Well she is not a fighter... but she does carry a gun sometimes.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Well she is not a fighter... but she does carry a gun sometimes.

Doesn’t she have feats inside the Jericho cargo where she could overpower military soldiers? And also how she could knock one out with a brick

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I agree with Extraordinary Genius, though I would only recommend you add a mock-up of it either in the OP or a new comment that holds a good summary (due to the semi-strictness of Extraordinary Genius ratings). As an example for Connor;

"Extraordinary Genius (As Cyberlife's most advanced android at the time, Connor is superior in intelligence and computing power to RT600 models and the Fortune Teller Computer; androids that are stated to be capable of doing several exaflops worth of operations per second [further explanation here])".

Immortality Type 2 and Social Influencing seem very blatant to me, so I agree with those additions as well.

I tried making an intelligence justification for Connor, what do you think can be improved?

Extraordinary Genius (As Cyberlife's most advanced android at the time, Connor is superior in intelligence and computing power to RT600 models; said models are stated to be capable of doing several exaflops worth of operations per second, making them superior to real world supercomputers. Connor is also superior to Cyberlife's Fortune Teller Computer, a quantum supercomputer which can also preform several exaflops worth of operations per second and calculate the probablility of world ending events. Connor is also a very skilled detective, being able to solve murders entire groups of skilled investigators couldn't figure out, as well as glance at a surrounding and generate a highly accurate and detailed simulation of the events that unfolded. Connor is also capable of perfectly predicting opponents movements in fights, calculating their actions and the best possible response. Alongside this, Connor is a highly skilled interrogator and hostage negotiator, being able to talk down a highly aggressive deviant from killing a child and get confessions out of deviants, with other skilled interrogators such as Hank not being able to get any information out of the suspect)

 

[Hixkaryana]

I tried making an intelligence justification for Connor, what do you think can be improved?

Extraordinary Genius (As Cyberlife's most advanced android at the time, Connor is superior in intelligence and computing power to RT600 models; said models are stated to be capable of doing several exaflops worth of operations per second, making them superior to real world supercomputers. Connor is also superior to Cyberlife's Fortune Teller Computer, a quantum supercomputer which can also preform several exaflops worth of operations per second and calculate the probablility of world ending events. Connor is also a very skilled detective, being able to solve murders entire groups of skilled investigators couldn't figure out, as well as glance at a surrounding and generate a highly accurate and detailed simulation of the events that unfolded. Connor is also capable of perfectly predicting opponents movements in fights, calculating their actions and the best possible response. Alongside this, Connor is a highly skilled interrogator and hostage negotiator, being able to talk down a highly aggressive deviant from killing a child and get confessions out of deviants, with other skilled interrogators such as Hank not being able to get any information out of the suspect)

I'm not the person you were talking to but this seems pretty great, covers every aspect required for him to classify as an Extraordinary Genius.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I tried making an intelligence justification for Connor, what do you think can be improved?

Excellent work! Here, I'll make minor grammar adjustments.

Extraordinary Genius (As Cyberlife's most advanced android at the time, Connor is superior in intelligence and computing power to RT600 models; said models are stated to be capable of doing several exaflops worth of operations per second, making them superior to real world supercomputers. Connor is also superior to Cyberlife's Fortune Teller Computer, a quantum supercomputer which can also preform several exaflops worth of operations per second and calculate the probability of world-ending events. Also of note is Connor's detective skills; not only can he solve murders which entire groups of skilled investigators are unable to, he can glance at his surroundings and generate a highly accurate and detailed simulation of the events that unfolded. Connor is also capable of perfectly predicting the movement of opponents during a fight, calculating their actions and the best possible way to respond. Connor is a highly skilled interrogator and hostage negotiator on top of this, being able to talk down a highly-aggressive deviant from killing a child and get confessions out of deviants despite other skilled interrogators such as Hank not being able to get any information out of the suspect)

I also believe that Connor should get multiple forms of Social Influencing. Keep in mind this is moreso my thoughts than usable text for the profile, it'd require minor adjustments and scans (which I'm lacking in atm):

• Instigating Fear: Over the course of DBH, Connor's reputation as the Deviant Hunter brought notoriety to his name and Deviant Leaders such as Markus/North are able to identify him upon confrontation at Jericho (Iirc, Connor also implies this but I can't remember). He's able to increase stress levels as well, and note them. This may double as Reputation.
• Deception: Able to trick Daniel into believing he would leave the rooftop confrontation unharmed. Same can be said for many of the other deviants, I'm sure.
• Charisma: Unless I'm misremembering, it's specifically noted somewhere in the game that Connor's appearance is to make him seem approachable/friendly to humans
• Coercion: From being a skilled interrogator. He also interrogated the Attic Devaint and threatened to link up with him (which then induced panic to him) and forced him to spill the details of his owner's murder.

I'm sure there could be more supporting evidence for each, somewhere.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Excellent work! Here, I'll make minor grammar adjustments.

Extraordinary Genius (As Cyberlife's most advanced android at the time, Connor is superior in intelligence and computing power to RT600 models; said models are stated to be capable of doing several exaflops worth of operations per second, making them superior to real world supercomputers. Connor is also superior to Cyberlife's Fortune Teller Computer, a quantum supercomputer which can also preform several exaflops worth of operations per second and calculate the probability of world-ending events. Connor is also a very skilled detective; not only can he solve murders which entire groups of skilled investigators are unable to, he can glance at his surroundings and generate a highly accurate and detailed simulation of the events that unfolded. Connor is also capable of perfectly predicting the movement of opponents during a fight, calculating their actions and the best possible way to respond. Connor is a highly skilled interrogator and hostage negotiator on top of this, being able to talk down a highly-aggressive deviant from killing a child and get confessions out of deviants despite other skilled interrogators such as Hank not being able to get any information out of the suspect)

I also believe that Connor should get multiple forms of Social Influencing. Keep in mind this is moreso my thoughts than usable text for the profile, it'd require minor adjustments and scans (which I'm lacking in atm):

• Instigating Fear: Over the course of DBH, Connor's reputation as the Deviant Hunter brought notoriety to his name and Deviant Leaders such as Markus/North are able to identify him upon confrontation at Jericho (Iirc, Connor also implies this but I can't remember). This may double as Reputation.
• Deception: Able to trick Daniel into believing he would leave the rooftop confrontation unharmed. Same can be said for many of the other deviants, I'm sure.
• Charisma: Unless I'm misremembering, it's specifically noted somewhere in the game that Connor's appearance is to make him seem approachable/friendly to humans
• Coercion: From being a skilled interrogator. He also interrogated the Attic Devaint and threatened to link up with him (which then induced panic to him).

I'm sure there could be more supporting evidence for each, somewhere.

The intelligence looks good, and I think I can help find more proof of most of the Social Influencing stuff

• I don't think that would be Instigating Fear as much as it is reputation. Markus/North weren't exactly quivering in their boots at the sheer mention of the Deviant Hunter's name, they were just like "Hey, you're the popular deviant hunter that's trying to take us down" not "Oh shit it's the deviant hunter run!" or anything like that. I'd say just Reputation is fine
• I can name a few other times Connor has decieved people. Daniel is one of them, but he also tricked soldiers into thinking he was human and decieved Simon by making him think that he was Markus and was coming to take him back to Jericho, though he did need the use of Markus's voice to do this
• In the bonus content where you can look at characters descriptions, it states that Connor was designed with a "Social Module" meant to make him be able to fit into any team and be the ideal partner, though I think Hank would disagree with that. Speaking of Hank, depending on the ending, Connor can slowly change Hanks mind about androids, making him go from a hardcore android hater due to believing that one of them was responsible for killing his son, to straight up supporting Markus' movement and even being willing to kill Connor in order to make sure it works. He can also help save Hank from ending his own life and improve Hank's mental health drastically over the course of the game. This all entirely depends on the ending you get and your relationship with Hank throughout the game, but it's entirely possible for Connor to do this. Final note on Connor's charisma, during the scene where Hank points a gun at him and threatens to shoot, it's possible for Connor, in a single conversation, to get Hank from litteraly wanting to shoot him to being okay with Connor. I don't remember the youtuber, but I did see a Youtuber get Hank from one of the worst relationships with him possible to one of the best with that single conversation all by making the right dialogue choices. So Connor can get someone that hates him and wants to kill him to at the very least be okay with his presense and not want to kill him all within a single conversation.
• Connor also coerces Daniel at the beginning of the game to not kill the girl and to not jump off the building, which requires some pretty powerful social influencing seeing as how Daniel was extremely homicidal and debatebly was going to take his own life as well, and he talked Daniel out of this with a single conversation and, if you're really good at the game, can do this while knowing almost nothing about Daniel and his relationship to Sarah or the family

 

[ShakeResounding]

Your rundown was phenomenal, and I agree with it 100%. It's been over half a year since the last time I delved into D:BH so my knowledge is definitely rusty.

If you can manage to get clips of them, I would recommend putting his intelligence description + scans in a sandbox. Then, the only thing left is to gather staff. I would recommend doing so by going to the message walls of certain staff and politely asking for input with a small rundown of what you're aiming to do (Intelligence upgrades, mainly). Amazing work once again, man!

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Just realized, we should come up with simular stuff for Markus

Markus' Social Influencing would include:

• Repuatation: Has a popular reputation as the leader of Jerico and the head of the android movement
• Leadership: Is the leader of Jericho and organizes all of their plans. Lead Jericho in a war against humans and thanks to his leadership, lead them to victory, with other skilled leaders such as North being unable to do so
• Charisma: Can make androids join his cause and even get them to the point that they're willing to risk their own life to make sure the movement works. Charmed Connor into breaking out of his programming. Quickly gained Jerichos respect and became a high ranking leader in a matter of a few days, having a higher reputation than androids such as North and Simon, who have been apart of Jericho for years

He also pretty clearly scales to Connor in intelligence, and is smarter than other PL600 androids who should scale to Chloe. So for his intelligence should we just put something simular to Connors?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Just realized, we should come up with simular stuff for Markus

Markus' Social Influencing would include:

• Repuatation: Has a popular reputation as the leader of Jerico and the head of the android movement
• Leadership: Is the leader of Jericho and organizes all of their plans. Lead Jericho in a war against humans and thanks to his leadership, lead them to victory, with other skilled leaders such as North being unable to do so
• Charisma: Can make androids join his cause and even get them to the point that they're willing to risk their own life to make sure the movement works. Charmed Connor into breaking out of his programming. Quickly gained Jerichos respect and became a high ranking leader in a matter of a few days, having a higher reputation than androids such as North and Simon, who have been apart of Jericho for years

He also pretty clearly scales to Connor in intelligence, and is smarter than other PL600 androids who should scale to Chloe. So for his intelligence should we just put something simular to Connors?

It's not even Charisma it's Corruption, he basically seems to install some kind of virus that completely destroys the firewall of the Androids he touches, some Androids have no reason to follow him because they haven't been mistreated or abused (as seen in the Cyberlife shop attack) and somehow they still do.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Slight necro

 

[ShakeResounding]

I agree with adding stuff for Markus and well