Destiny: Guardian Downgrade

[Archaron]

Yeah I know that, but unless you are telling me that PC guardian is quite literally an ungodly number of order of magnitudes above normal guardians I really dont think you can put them at such a ridiculous tier.

You do not understand yet, the PC guardian is literally the strongest guardian, in a way it is literally that he is ridiculously stronger than the others, it is normal for him to be able to overcome gods and entities, he owns not only made but quotations and bases that put everything he does at the right level and with a context more than defined for such classification. Osiris even quotes this, that in one of the futures where light and darkness the largest existing entities do not exist and who reigns are the vexs, as he never considered the PC he openly quotes that now "they have a future" and the same thing happens to atheon, where they make their own "fate", Oryx in the first fight underestimated the guardian and lost, in his throne world lost too but was with everything against the guardian.

Edit: Without PC guardian in the infinite realities the future will always walk to the vexs, with PC already showed that future beyond avoided, the others can also be prevented.

 

[Archaron]

I agree that now that I thought better I need to remove that 2-A, but we still need to discuss Low 2-C, since now we have the example of cayde-6 creating a throne world for hiraks...

 

[Rocker1189]

You do not understand yet, the PC guardian is literally the strongest guardian, in a way it is literally that he is ridiculously stronger than the others, it is normal for him to be able to overcome gods and entities, he owns not only made but quotations and bases that put everything he does at the right level and with a context more than defined for such classification. Osiris even quotes this, that in one of the futures where light and darkness the largest existing entities do not exist and who reigns are the vexs, as he never considered the PC he openly quotes that now "they have a future" and the same thing happens to atheon, where they make their own "fate", Oryx in the first fight underestimated the guardian and lost, in his throne world lost too but was with everything against the guardian.

Edit: Without PC guardian in the infinite realities the future will always walk to the vexs, with PC already showed that future beyond avoided, the others can also be prevented.

That literally just means that the PC was not in the equation until they arrived, we literally could have been anyone else and done the exact same things and would still have beaten Panoptes because we did not do a massive amount of work(or any that require 4-B level power anyway), Osiris did. All we did was shoot a few Vex while traveling through the infinite Forest in search for a map. Then we fought Panoptes who simply kept spamming more Vex soldiers, we could not even injure him until we grabbed something and put it into some circle(cant remember what it was) allowing him to be vulnerable and again this was all because of Osiris, if it was Osiris who was 4-B/2-A in the Infinite Forest I could understanf that. Fct is in the Curse of Osiris story no 4-B or even 5-C feat was performed by the PC.

 

[Archaron]

My boi... Do you have any idea what you're talking about? you just said that any guardian could have done what he did, which is not quite the case, against atheon, he did his own "fate", against panoptes it is said by Osiris himself that he never considered the PC and that with his revealed existence and the knowledge of osiris they have a future, it is speculation on their you part to assert that any guardian other than the PC could do everything, that is totally without any basis or any evidence on your part, and in his fight against the atheon he already shows that he refutes everything you said.

Against the panoptes the logic is simple, Osiris prevented the guardian from being expelled from the infinite forest three times, that arc orb was made with the intention of knocking out the panoptes temporarily revealing its nucleus that like all vex, is its greater weakness, a titan or warlock could have avoided that with a light barrier, Osiris only gave time to the guardian and he who did the rest, the Osiris feat is more of EE resistance than 2-A defense, being the arc orb yeah 2-A.

 

[Antvasima]

Should this be closed in lack of better options?

 

[CNBA3]

Should this be closed in lack of better options?

At this point I think it is for the best because it is just exchanging opinions

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.