"He is generating it via his BDA."
Which means that it isn't comparable to real lightning, correct?
Uh, no. By that logic not a single fictional character that produces lightning could ever be considered lightning. The whole point of having lightning standards is to assess which non-naturally generated lightning can be considered comparable enough in properties to real lightning.
"is based on the determination of showing enough realistic properties of lightning such that we can assume other realistic properties of lightning are also implied (such as lightning speed)."
In what world does having 3 (albeit 2 being debatable) lightning features equal assuming everything else as true and thus assuming it's lightning?
The
standards for lightning feats work on this basis:
Option 1: Is the electric spark generated sky-to-ground? It so that is sufficient grounds to accepted lightning speed on its own (since the whole reason IRL lightning is so fast/powerful is due to the huge charge buildup required to cross such vast distances).
Option 2: If the electric spark is called “lightning” but isn’t generated sky-to-ground, it must show more realistic properties of lightning than not in order for such a description to be accepted as accurate (note this does not mean
exclusive properties of lightning, just realistic properties you would
expect of lightning should such a description be accurate).
Zohakuten's lightning qualifies on both grounds.
It is shown it can be called down from the sky (without any notable difference to other non-sky-to-ground instances).
And it is called lightning while showing 5 realistic properties of lightning while having no opposing properties.
"Meanwhile trying to use shockwaves and compressed sound waves to debunk lightning (putting aside the fact the lightning was travelling faster)"
my point isn't that the sound is faster, it's that the lightning shouldn't be relative to it at all.
"ignores the fact that both of those phenomena are by definition faster than the speed of sound in normal atmosphere."
I sincerely don't believe you grasp how big ~1300x is.
For instance, that's about how big an ant is to a small studio apartment.
"and sound travelling through air with a higher bulk modulus (a measure of incompressibility) yields a higher speed than sound through standard atmosphere."}
I don't think that makes up for the ~1300x difference.
And I don’t think you realize how the speed of sound is calculated.
The
speed of sound in a medium obeys the relation: c = sqrt[K/ρ] where as a medium is compressed past a certain point the bulk modulus (K) increases faster than the density (ρ) where
even in the bounds of realistic physics such can lead to speeds of sound of 36,100m/s (over Mach 105).
That is absolutely consistent with the given visuals, with lightning always landing long before the compressed sound waves.
"Even putting aside the fact that demon auras are stated to make the air feel heavier"
that's fear inducement... do you really believe they're compressing the air from their sheer aura?
We are dealing with demon blood magic, but your skepticism draws the line at them being able to compress the air?
"Lightning was shown to travel from sky to ground in several instances"
Cite one of them.
And i don't mean just send me the chapter name, i want to see the panel/clip of it.
It originating offscreen doesn't mean it's sky to ground.
"Lightning obeys conduction and insulation rules (to the point it even becomes plot-relevant with Tanjiro using a demon’s foot as an insulator)"
can you show this?
also skin, muscle and bone are all conductive
Explicitly stated to act as an insulator.
"Even if we didn’t literally see how he cuts them, assuming Tengen could cut them all at the exact same time via somehow growing an extra arm is a bold claim."
Sorry, but if you think Mitsuri's sword can reach
this far then i don't know what to tell you.
Tengen cutting them at the same time isn't that far from whatever Gotouge has come up with.
"Tengen’s bombs are explicitly stated to be triggered due to friction. Tengen is shown cutting all 3 bombs in gradual swings, one after the other."
All of the cuts in the anime were at the exact same time, and the manga can't really show gradual swings..
The manga panel explicitly shows each bomb being cut by a separate arc swing.
Unless Tengen grows an extra arm, he can’t make 3 separate arcs at the exact same time.
"Lightning causes muscle contractions and can cause unconscious"
That's electrocution, not muscle contractions.
It is both.
"Lightning strikes with at least 1.6 billion joules on average (can splinter trees and damage characters with at least Building level durability)"
Mfw the dura neg element does just that:
also is there a calc for it splintering the trees?
No there is no existing calc for this as far as I’m aware, but dude c’mon, this is vastly more powerful than what real lightning strikes can pull off:
"Lightning demonstrates plausible speed, being shown as substantial even to characters who massively upscales from explicit SOS statements and other higher calcs"
Huh? I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to convey here...
This is a lightning criteria.
"Detonation doesn’t start at a random delay for, what, cinematic effect? Particles in motion and chemical reactions don’t have a sense for dramatic timing I’m afraid."
Here too.
You tried to argue the Tengen calc is invalid because the bombs randomly delayed beginning their own detonation for some reason.
"Lightning obeys grounding rules"
And here. I couldn't find what you were talking about on the vswiki article for lightning feats.
Obeying path-to-
grounding is a key electrical property.
"to imply Muzan would be launching himself with “great force” in a genuine attempt to escape someone who just blitzed him would be slower that a lower moon 6 reject who is a dozen blitz gaps below either of them is patently absurd."
Do you have any proof to back this up other than assumptions?
I'm not downplaying it to peak human speeds or whatever, but saying that the pieces travel at sound speed is simply insane.
The lower moon 6 reject gets 3 separate statements in 3 separate sources all confirming that even a bottom tier fodder like him can already reach transonic:
He rotated the rooms of the house, rapidly beating the various drums that protruded from his body. He was also able to deliver claw-like slashes, which traveled at the same speed as sound.
-Kimetsu no Yaiba Databook
The tatami was suddenly torn apart. These shapes that look like the claw marks of a beast. They appeared at the same time and speed as the sound of the drums!
-Kimetsu no Yaiba (Manga), Chapter 22, Page 10
At the same speed as the sound of the drum!
-Kimetsu no Yaiba (Anime)
"And pixel scaling is an accepted methodology on site (you would be very hard pressed to calculate much of anything without it)"
I don't mean it as in "Pixelscaling should be banned forever", i mean it as in "pixelscaling shouldn't be used for artists known for being too inconsistent with sizes"(e.g. Oda.)
Anyways i'm not here to argue over the semantics of pixelscaling, i'm here to debunk MHS Demon Slayer
"and in fact the pixel scaling in the accepted calculation uses a lowballed estimate for the size of the bombs to be conservative"
"pixelscaling" and "lowballed" in the same sentence? What?
Yes, lowballed. The accepted calculation uses the most conservative/largest scale for the size of the bombs (about 7.7cm) which minimizes the final speed,
despite more consistent shots of the bombs relative to Tengen’s hand showing it is half that (about 3.8cm).
Also you wouldn’t be able to find the sizes of anything without pixel scaling lol.
"Mitsuri can cut the lightning because she has a sword made of nichirin, a fictional metal that explicitly negates blood demon arts and their effects. Not because the lightning is for some reason tangible despite every indication to the contrary."
Actually this is incorrect, as we still see the lightning fall in the manga. Hantengu was lying.
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