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Introduction
I’m making this thread to add some details with new sub-key distinctions for Sanemi and Shinobu and to adjust adjacent scaling for Giyu, Tanjiro, Akaza, Obanai, and Muichiro to correct some inconsistencies with existing scaling chains.Sanemi Near-Death Amp
Sanemi is currently scaled a tier above across the board from the likes of Giyu and Obanai, despite both of them receiving feats and statements in the Hashira Training Arc suggesting a significant level of relativity between them (with Giyu and Sanemi’s sword’s simultaneously shattering being attributed to their near-equal strength in the second databook, and Sanemi just straight up saying he and Obanai are evenly matched after training sessions in the anime).
The logic for Sanemi scaling a tier above them is grounded in his later feats against Kokushibo, in which he is able to give a hand to Gyomei and land the occasional blow in concert with him against a serious Long Sword Koksuhibo. This logic is then applied backwards, suggesting if he is a tier above while marked, he should be a tier above in base.
The issue with this line of reasoning is that Kokushibo explicitly noted that Sanemi was getting faster and faster even after having already unlocked his mark while on the verge of death. This kind of phenomenon isn’t uncommon in Demon Slayer, where there exists multiple statements explaining characters can be pushed to new levels of power when brought to the brink of death, and such is already demonstrated clearly with characters such as Rengoku and Shinobu as is appropriately listed on site. Sanemi appear to be another example of this.
However this raises a problem with the prior reasoning for Sanemi scaling a tier above, since those feats were done after he was getting faster and faster on the verge of death, making room for the fact he was likely comparable to the likes of Giyu and Obanai beforehand (as his prior feats against Kokushibo can readily be explained by Kokushibo holding back against Base Sanemi), and only pushed beyond that with a near-death amp.
Taking this under consideration, Giyu and Obanai (and by extension ICA Tanjiro and Akaza) should scale off of Sanemi’s Base and Marked forms respectively.
So to recap, Sanemi should get an added distinction of a Near-Death Amp, and the subsequent changes to the scaling chains:
The logic for Sanemi scaling a tier above them is grounded in his later feats against Kokushibo, in which he is able to give a hand to Gyomei and land the occasional blow in concert with him against a serious Long Sword Koksuhibo. This logic is then applied backwards, suggesting if he is a tier above while marked, he should be a tier above in base.
The issue with this line of reasoning is that Kokushibo explicitly noted that Sanemi was getting faster and faster even after having already unlocked his mark while on the verge of death. This kind of phenomenon isn’t uncommon in Demon Slayer, where there exists multiple statements explaining characters can be pushed to new levels of power when brought to the brink of death, and such is already demonstrated clearly with characters such as Rengoku and Shinobu as is appropriately listed on site. Sanemi appear to be another example of this.
However this raises a problem with the prior reasoning for Sanemi scaling a tier above, since those feats were done after he was getting faster and faster on the verge of death, making room for the fact he was likely comparable to the likes of Giyu and Obanai beforehand (as his prior feats against Kokushibo can readily be explained by Kokushibo holding back against Base Sanemi), and only pushed beyond that with a near-death amp.
Taking this under consideration, Giyu and Obanai (and by extension ICA Tanjiro and Akaza) should scale off of Sanemi’s Base and Marked forms respectively.
So to recap, Sanemi should get an added distinction of a Near-Death Amp, and the subsequent changes to the scaling chains:
- Base Obanai: Large Town level | Sub-Relativistic
- Base Giyu: Large Town level | Sub-Relativistic
- Base Sanemi: Large Town level | Sub-Relativistic
- Non-TW ICA Tanjiro: Small City level | Sub-Relativistic
- Marked Obanai: Small City level | Relativistic
- Marked Giyu: Small City level | Relativistic
- Marked Sanemi: Small City level | Relativistic
- Akaza: Small City level | Relativistic
- Doma: Small City level | Relativistic
- Near-Death Amped Sanemi: higher with Near-Death Amp | higher with Near-Death Amp
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Shinobu Rage Amp
A similar issue to Sanemi’s respective scaling between Hashira is with Shinobu’s respective scaling between Hashira.
Currently Base Shinobu is scaled relative to UM2’s speed for her various feats and Doma’s associated statements during their battle in the Infinity Castle Arc, the issue this causes is that it places Base Shinobu’s stats as noticeably superior to Base Giyu (who got handedly dealt with by UM3) despite the fact that they were portrayed as relative during the Mount Natagumo Arc.
This contradiction can be resolved by pointing to the fact that Shinobu was in a drastically different state when facing her sister’s murderer who she has dedicated her life to revenging herself upon compared to calmly fighting with a comrade in her scuffle with Giyu, with rage already being portrayed as a meaningful amp in the Entertainment District Arc with Tanjiro as is already accepted on site. Thus I propose we bump down her current base stats to match Giyu’s while the existing stats are labeled as a rage amp.
To summarize:
Currently Base Shinobu is scaled relative to UM2’s speed for her various feats and Doma’s associated statements during their battle in the Infinity Castle Arc, the issue this causes is that it places Base Shinobu’s stats as noticeably superior to Base Giyu (who got handedly dealt with by UM3) despite the fact that they were portrayed as relative during the Mount Natagumo Arc.
This contradiction can be resolved by pointing to the fact that Shinobu was in a drastically different state when facing her sister’s murderer who she has dedicated her life to revenging herself upon compared to calmly fighting with a comrade in her scuffle with Giyu, with rage already being portrayed as a meaningful amp in the Entertainment District Arc with Tanjiro as is already accepted on site. Thus I propose we bump down her current base stats to match Giyu’s while the existing stats are labeled as a rage amp.
To summarize:
- Base Shinobu: Large Town level | Sub-Relativistic
- Rage Amp Shinobu: higher with Rage Amp | Relativistic
- Death Amped Shinobu: Small City level | higher with Death Amp
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Miscellaneous Additions
Another semi-related issue to Sanemi’s scaling is that TW Muichiro also has a brief but notable similar moment where through unlocking the Transparent World he is able to become comparable to Near-Death Amped Sanemi. While his own pessimism at being helpful without a sacrifice might suggest Muichiro isn’t confident at being a consistent equal to Sanemi, the fact he is able to help at all against LS Kokushibo (whereas previously he was effortlessly blitzed by Base Kokushibo) should bump his TW incarnation up to par with Near-Death Amped Sanemi’s speed as opposed to being kept on the same tier as his Marked incarnation.
Another issue raised by @Aytugsss is that Giyu should get a “higher” speed rating for Eleventh Form and Akaza should get a “higher” speed rating for his Final Form, as these techniques are both rather blatantly faster than the rest of their respective arsenals.
To summarize:
Another issue raised by @Aytugsss is that Giyu should get a “higher” speed rating for Eleventh Form and Akaza should get a “higher” speed rating for his Final Form, as these techniques are both rather blatantly faster than the rest of their respective arsenals.
To summarize:
- Muichiro: Massively Hypersonic+, Sub-Relativistic with the Demon Slayer Mark, at least Relativistic, likely higher with Transparent World
- Akaza: Relativistic, higher with Final Form: Blue Silver Chaotic Afterglow
- Giyu: Sub-Relativistic, Relativistic with the Demon Slayer Mark, higher with Eleventh Form: Dead Calm
(0:1) Disagree: @Adminproo1 (Muichiro)
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