Demon King creation time frame

[karo_senpaii]

The 3,000-year time span is still valid for an extreme lowball estimate in the calculation. Either way, the feat remains 4-B, just slightly lower.

The 3000 year time frame is just arbitrary. It's not allowed. Time frame just remains as unknown.

I agree, I'm not seeing any link between the two that would justify the 20 years timeframe.

Could you help tag calc group members again?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The 3000 year time frame is just arbitrary. It's not allowed. Time frame just remains as unknown.

Saying it is arbitrary does not make it arbitrary.

 

[Makai641001]

The 20 year timeframe doesn't work even for a low end because it's derived from the Sacred Tree's reconstruction of the Fairy King Forest. The Fairy King Forest is not the Fairy Realm, which the only thing that could be used to compare to the Demon Realm as the Demon King and Sacred Tree are relative beings.

Then take 3000 years, it’s still 4-B if you want to lowball this bad

Nobody should be compared to chaos NGL at least not at this point.

Chaos Arthur is the one that created Neo Camelot, multiple characters scale to him.

But if y’all want to make a difference between Chaos Arthur and people that litteraly scale to him we can.

Chaos Arthur gets 4-A the top tiers 4-B he now is billions of times above anyone else.

 

[Makai641001]

The 3000 year time frame is just arbitrary. It's not allowed. Time frame just remains as unknown.

Could you help tag calc group members again?

So we have to ignore the « soon after » statement and just go with thousands of years of timeframe.

Yeah that seems fair.

 

[karo_senpaii]

So we have to ignore the « soon after » statement and just go with thousands of years of timeframe.

Yeah that seems fair.

I don't think y'all followed this thread well. The 3k value demon lord brought up was based on the assumption that since 3k yrs is a long time in verse the soon should be below it. If it has been established that the soon is not in relation to the creation then the 3k yrs being used as a time frame looses it's justification and is just arbitrary.

Then take 3000 years, it’s still 4-B if you want to lowball this bad


Chaos Arthur is the one that created Neo Camelot, multiple characters scale to him.

But if y’all want to make a difference between Chaos Arthur and people that litteraly scale to him we can.

Chaos Arthur gets 4-A the top tiers 4-B he now is billions of times above anyone else.

That's not what I'm saying. Chaos has always been 4a overtime, it's something already accepted. I'm talking about the per second output the 4B value. I'm not even sure people scale to it. Like Arthur is like an avatar , though if you have evidence he is channelling chaos power fully then fine I'm okay with it. Anyway this is derailing. Let's leave that for now

 

[Igneel]

The 3,000-year time span is still valid for an extreme lowball estimate in the calculation. Either way, the feat remains 4-B, just slightly lower.

It makes no sense for those that say it’s 3,000yrs for a short time

 

[Igneel]

Nobody should be compared to chaos NGL at least not at this point.

The sins are and Arthur > chaos but I don’t think creation feats of chaos means that’s the limit to his power lol we see him reset reality on a him so I would say it’s likely higher than what was shown to be part of the realm

 

[Makai641001]

I don't think y'all followed this thread well. The 3k value demon lord brought up was based on the assumption that since 3k yrs is a long time in verse the soon should be below it. If it has been established that the soon is not in relation to the creation then the 3k yrs being used as a time frame looses it's justification and is just arbitrary.

Soon after their birth they had created their worlds.

It is in relation with their creation.

3k years is litteraly an extreme lowball.

That's not what I'm saying. Chaos has always been 4a overtime, it's something already accepted. I'm talking about the per second output the 4B value. I'm not even sure people scale to it. Like Arthur is like an avatar , though if you have evidence he is channelling chaos power fully then fine I'm okay with it. Anyway this is derailing. Let's leave that for now

The per second value is 4-A.
Arthur as an avatar is the one that created Neo Camelot, he scales.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Soon after their birth they had created their worlds.

It is in relation with their creation.

3k years is litteraly an extreme lowball.

The per second value is 4-A.
Arthur as an avatar is the one that created Neo Camelot, he scales.

1. We could say that about almost every creation feats ever. It's still arbitrary.
2. If it's the per second value that's fine. Till that time

 

[Makai641001]

1. We could say that about almost every creation feats ever. It's still arbitrary.

Many creations feat doesn’t have precise stated timeframes as long as they are stated to be relatively short which is the case here.

2. If it's the per second value that's fine. Till that time

It is

 

[KingTempest]

I'm not getting involved but 3000 years as a timeframe gotta be the craziest thing I have and will ever see in my life because what the hell

 

[Makai641001]

I'm not getting involved but 3000 years as a timeframe gotta be the craziest thing I have and will ever see in my life because what the hell

I mean we have a statement about it being just after their birth but yeah.

Similar feats like Neo Camelot take at most weeks

Graces are instant creations, chaos staffs too

 

[KingTempest]

If y’all put the proof in 1 readable message per stance I will give an evaluation

 

[Makai641001]

If y’all put the proof in 1 readable message per stance I will give an evaluation

here notice the Ta form on the verb create which indicate that soon after their birth they had created their respective worlds.

Would you say that this took thousands of years.

Remember that at that point of the story they were narratively newborn beings.

 

[Damage3245]

here notice the Ta form on the verb create which indicate that soon after their birth they had created their respective worlds.

Would you say that this took thousands of years.

Remember that at that point of the story they were narratively newborn beings.

Personally I would say that there is no way of telling how long it took for sure. It's vague.

 

[Makai641001]

Personally I would say that there is no way of telling how long it took for sure. It's vague.

Would you say that 3000 years is a short timeframe ?

 

[Damage3245]

Would you say that 3000 years is a short timeframe ?

For the timescale of gods? Maybe. Hasn't the Demon King been chilling in purgatory for millions of years by now?

 

[Makai641001]

For the timescale of gods? Maybe. Hasn't the Demon King been chilling in purgatory for millions of years by now?

« remember that at that point of the story they were narratively newborn beings »

here notice the Ta form on the verb create which indicate that soon after their birth they had created their respective worlds.

Would you say that this took thousands of years.

Remember that at that point of the story they were narratively newborn beings.

So would you say 3000 years would be a short timeframe ?

 

[KingTempest]

3000 years is ridiculous, if it's right after they were born make it like a year or something

 

[Makai641001]

3000 years is ridiculous, if it's right after they were born make it like a year or something

Y’all get to decide, so you think a year would be a good timeframe in this instance ?

 

[KingTempest]

I'm personally fine with a year

 

[Makai641001]

I'm personally fine with a year

Okay thanks for your input

 

[karo_senpaii]

« remember that at that point of the story they were narratively newborn beings »


So would you say 3000 years would be a short timeframe ?

No one thinks they used 3k years. We just think we have no concrete evidence of any time frame whatsoever used for creation. It's just arbitrary. Like sure after they were born they created their realm. But how long it took is just unknown

 

[Makai641001]

No one thinks they used 3k years. We just think we have no concrete evidence of any time frame whatsoever used for creation. It's just arbitrary. Like sure after they were born they created their realm. But how long it took is just unknown

Would you agree that 1 year would be a good enough timeframe ?

« Soon after » indicates short timeframes, 3000 years isn’t a short timeframe even a year isn’t therefore ig we can keep these as low ends.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Would you agree that 1 year would be a good enough timeframe ?

« Soon after » indicates short timeframes, 3000 years isn’t a short timeframe even a year isn’t therefore ig we can keep these as low ends.

I already told your my stance on it. The soon is in relation to it not being long between their birth and when they started creation. It says nothing on the time frame of creation itself

 

[Makai641001]

I already told your my stance on it. The soon is in relation to it not being long between their birth and when they started creation. It says nothing on the time frame of creation itself

I already told you my stance on it tsukuriageta being a Ta form means that creation in itself is past tense.

Here is an exemple:
彼は自分の会社を作り上げた
Kare wa jibun no kaisha o tsukuriageta.
« He created his own company »

Tsukuriageta is used for achieved creations, it means that soon after their birth they had achieved the creation of their worlds

 

[Jey-kun52]

For the timescale of gods? Maybe. Hasn't the Demon King been chilling in purgatory for millions of years by now?

I'm too busy for this, but I'll just write this to point out that it can't be ignored. Don't you know that 1 year on Earth is roughly 500,000 years for purgatory? Hawk is 16 years old in Earth years, but Wild says that his brother was kidnapped by DK 8 million years ago. That’s why DK is 1.5 billion years old.

I will be involved in the topic whenever I have free time.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I already told you my stance on it tsukuriageta being a Ta form means that creation in itself is past tense.

Here is an exemple:
彼は自分の会社を作り上げた
Kare wa jibun no kaisha o tsukuriageta.
« He created his own company »

Tsukuriageta is used for achieved creations, it means that soon after their birth they had achieved the creation of their worlds

It would be. "He had created his company" that would be said.. created is past tense yes but it doesn't always denote an action is finished.

There are so many examples

"Their break up created tension in the group"

"the recently passed law created confusion amongst people ". In both examples, the tension and confusion is still in a continuous process.


One more time the subject for soon used in the narrator sentence is to denote that right after birth they got busy into creating their realms.

 

[Makai641001]

It would be. "He had created his company" that would be said.. created is past tense yes but it doesn't always denote an action is finished.

There are so many examples

"Their break up created tension in the group"

"the recently passed law created confusion amongst people ". In both examples, the tension and confusion is still in a continuous process.


One more time the subject for soon used in the narrator sentence is to denote that right after birth they got busy into creating their realms.

Do your researchs I won’t repeat the same things again and again

The sentence means that he created his company.
He already did it’s for finished creations.

「作り上げた」(tsukuriageta) is the past form of the verb 作り上げる (tsukuriageru), which means "to build, complete, achieve", often with the idea of effort or finished creation.

Let's break it down:

作る (tsukuru) = to make, to fabricate

上げる (ageru) = literally "to elevate", but in composition this can reinforce the idea of completion or elevation

作り上げる = to create entirely, to complete something with care or effort

作り上げた (tsukuriageta) = past form → built, created

So yes:

"Tsukuriageta" = "built", "completed"

The ending -ta is indeed the past form of the verb in Japanese.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Do your researchs I won’t repeat the same things again and again

The sentence means that he created his company.
He already did it’s for finished creations.

He will just ignore the meaning of the word in Japanese like he did with my comment, and continue saying that he started creating

The Japanese text supports this: it uses the verb 造り上げた (tsukuriageta), which conveys the idea of "having made or created something from start to finish" or "having completed a task or project."

 

[karo_senpaii]

Do your researchs I won’t repeat the same things again and again

The sentence means that he created his company.
He already did it’s for finished creations.

You're confused on something and it's making me repeat myself. I've said it previously that obviously the creation has been completed that the realm isn't still being created till now. I'm talking about finished as regards to soon. The soon there is an adverb and it's acting on the time period between when they were born and when the next action started which is creation. The fact that created comes right after has nothing to do with the former.

 

[Makai641001]

You're confused on something and it's making me repeat myself.

no

I've said it previously that obviously the creation has been completed that the realm isn't still being created till now.

yes

I'm talking about finished as regards to soon. The soon there is an adverb and it's acting on the time period between when they were born and when the next action started which is creation. The fact that created comes right after has nothing to do with the former.

Soon is in relation with the time it took between their birth and the completed creation of their worlds.

Tsukuriageta indicates the end of the creation.

You’re the only one that’s confused I understand that you created this thread and wanted a downgrade and honestly keeping that 20 years timeframe was not a great idea.

But we kept repeating the same sh*t a thread mod have red it and agrees with 1 year

 

[Makai641001]

He will just ignore the meaning of the word in Japanese like he did with my comment, and continue saying that he started creating

Yeah idk

 

[karo_senpaii]

no

yes


Soon is in relation with the time it took between their birth and the completed creation of their worlds.

Tsukuriageta indicates the end of the creation.

You’re the only one that’s confused I understand that you created this thread and wanted a downgrade and honestly keeping that 20 years timeframe was not a great idea.

But we kept repeating the same sh*t a thread mod have red it and agrees with 1 year

We don't have to agree it's fine. And KT isn't cgm

 

[TheRustyOne]

The information in this thread is scattered and unfocused.

Going from what I'm seeing now, I don't see how you can get any timeframe from this. 3000 or 1 year, both are equally baseless to me.

I agree with the OP for now, the calc should be dropped unless a better reason for a timeframe comes up. I haven't seen a good one in this thread.

I know nothing about this verse, please take that in mind if you're going to be giving out information.

 

[Makai641001]

The information in this thread is scattered and unfocused.

Going from what I'm seeing now, I don't see how you can get any timeframe from this. 3000 or 1 year, both are equally baseless to me.

I agree with the OP for now, the calc should be dropped unless a better reason for a timeframe comes up. I haven't seen a good one in this thread.

I know nothing about this verse, please take that in mind if you're going to be giving out information.

At the beginning of everything, Chaos created the world and the Gods.

The raw states that soon after their birth they had created their dimensions. (It refers to achieved creation)

At that point of the story they were newborn babies keep that in mind.

We wanted to use 3000 years as an extreme lowball since it’s a value that’s stated to be long even for adult High ranking demons.

Ngl dropping the calc would be dumb we have a statement about the timeframe being short (and narratively about baby Demon king Supreme deity and sacred tree not adult demons)

 

[TheRustyOne]

That doesn't mean anything to me.

What does "soon" mean? 1 second, 1 day, 1 year, 10 years, or maybe 100 years? There's no stated timeframe for this feat, so I don't see what this means.

Unless you bring out new and solid information, you aren't changing my stance here.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Well I guess the thread has been approved. @Demon_Lord18 , you'd probably be the best person to reverse the changes. Though for good measure I'm going to wait till tomorrow

 

[Makai641001]

Well I guess the thread has been approved. @Demon_Lord18 , you'd probably be the best person to reverse the changes. Though for good measure I'm going to wait till tomorrow

Don’t wait let’s apply this.

Since we are gonna ignore the statement/context and other narrative statements entirely.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Don’t wait let’s apply this.

Since we are gonna ignore the statement/context and other narrative statements entirely.

I mean just coz things didn't go your way doesn't mean you should say stuff like this but if you don't wanna wait then no problem