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Deltarune: 4-A no more

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Why is Deltarune 4-A

Simple stuff. No one likes the rating anyway, but I'll still be competent and explain the whys and the know-hows.

The Dark Fountains are said to have stars in them. Chapter 1. Chapter 2. Chapter 3. Chapter 4.

The Titan is a living fountain, thus, it scales. I'm not dealing with the Titan scaling to a pocket dimension inside itself that doesn't requre that much energy to contain. But I am debunking 4-A.




Stars are fake.​

Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 4


Other reasons why the Titan can't be 4-A, etc.​


Well, as you know, the Dark Fountains and the Dark Worlds they create are merely an illusion to the outside world, even in worlds that are as big as a city, they are still trapped in the confinements of the room from the outside perspective. Meaning that outside the fountains themselves, they are not proportional to the worlds they create. This alone hints at the fact the creation of such world wouldn't take a scientifically accurate amount of energy to create, nor to keep. As long as the darkness covers a single room, the room will keep having that size. The titan doesn't have to sustain 4-A energy to keep its pocket dimension inside of it.As well, even after the Real Roaring, only when multiple titans are born is the land threatened, meaning they are, as a collective, described as surface wipers. If one can dish out 4-A level attacks, this is just silly. Of course, Toby is not keen on the concept of AP vs DC, so this isn't an argument against the contradiction.Another problem that proves that energy isn't accurate or to scale to the words is that the size of Dark Worlds is entirely dependent on the theme of the world. Despite only covering what seems to be the living room, Tenna's world is 4-A in size.

Despite the church being much bigger than Kris's house, and being made by a stronger character, it's far smaller, only having some buildings in its background. Even when Susie, who is weaker than the knight, makes such a fountain, the size is virtually the same, just flipped.

EDIT: Removed the anti-feats section.

4-A characters are downgraded to 7-B.




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I won’t argue about anything except the usage of anti-feats. Those anti-feats would place them at Tier 9 or lower, but you propose them to be at Tier 8-7. While it seems like “three tiers is not as much as tens”, the difference in energy is actually enormous and well above a million and is way-way above one-shot. So I disagree with Tier 9 anti-feats being a valid basis unless you want to downgrade them around the level of these anti-feats.

Had a similar stance on Hazbin, doing same here.
 
Bro did not waste time after the unban lmfao.

Anyway, I didn't really care much of 4-A, so whatever ig.
Though this is an anti-feat for even 7-B tbf. Like I get what you mean but this is kinda a meh point.
 
I won’t argue about anything except the usage of anti-feats. Those anti-feats would place them at Tier 9 or lower, but you propose them to be at Tier 8-7. While it seems like “three tiers is not as much as tens”, the difference in energy is actually enormous and well above a million and is way-way above one-shot. So I disagree with Tier 9 anti-feats being a valid basis unless you want to downgrade them around the level of these anti-feats.

Had a similar stance on Hazbin, doing same here.
Bro did not waste time after the unban lmfao.

Anyway, I didn't really care much of 4-A, so whatever ig.

Though this is an anti-feat for even 7-B tbf. Like I get what you mean but this is kinda a meh point.
Oh yeah the anti-feats are not the main point at all, but true

But they are far more egregious to a Tier 4 than a Tier 7, imo.
 
My argument is literally this
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Even some of datamined stuff is canon lowkey
 
Ah, then we are all fine, got a bit worried since the discussion was talking about the anti-feats also affecting those ratings.
Yeah but I going to honest: we kinda literally see they are strong in ch 4 and we have unused sprite for clash bettewen kinght and susie soo should be fine.
 
Yeah the anti-feats are buns.
For now. Plus, they are narratively anti-feats, it's intended character interaction with the environment, it's not nothing. BUT, again, for the sake of argument, we're not focusing on them today.
 
The anti-feats would be against even 8-A lol. Not to mention that falls and piercing damage are wanked like everywhere in fiction, alongside prison bars, chains and bullets.
I'm not denying they would be against 8-A. I'm only mentioning that I don't see a reason why any of these tiers would stay despite the anti-feats in question. Hellaverse had the same issue. There would be no reason to mention the anti-feats here if there's no intention of accurately placing them.
 
I'm not denying they would be against 8-A. I'm only mentioning that I don't see a reason why any of these tiers would stay despite the anti-feats in question. Hellaverse had the same issue. There would be no reason to mention the anti-feats here if there's no intention of accurately placing them.
Guess what's currently 9-A and not 9-C, mythic?
 
Then you shouldn't have brought it up
Tier 9 anti-feats are far more forgiving if the characters are Low Tier 8, given the proximity and the lack of obligation for the author to know the difference. The anti-feats become worse the wider the gap is. It's extremely relevant against 4-A, Cosmic characters should never be taking fall damage even without powerscaling in mind.
Building level characters?
City block? It's still dumb, but not nearly as outrageous.
 
I'm not denying they would be against 8-A. I'm only mentioning that I don't see a reason why any of these tiers would stay despite the anti-feats in question. Hellaverse had the same issue. There would be no reason to mention the anti-feats here if there's no intention of accurately placing them.
In fact OP is indeed ******* up by even using them lol.

No like seriously, falls are one of the things authors always think that are way more powerful than they actually are.

Using Kris getting hurt by a fall is the equivalent of using Batter (a 5-B guy) dying from a long fall in a chimney if he doesn't fulfill some requirements as a genuine anti-feat against Tier 5 OFF.
 
Tier 9 anti-feats are far more forgiving if the characters are Low Tier 8, given the proximity and the lack of obligation for the author to know the difference. The anti-feats become worse the wider the gap is. It's extremely relevant against 4-A, Cosmic characters should never be taking fall damage even without powerscaling in mind.
Building level characters?
City block? It's still dumb, but not nearly as outrageous.
Let's not start anything like that in this thread; it's better reserved for a future one that focuses on it.
 
In fact OP is indeed ******* up by even using them lol.

No like seriously, falls are one of the things authors always think that are way more powerful than they actually are.

Using Kris getting hurt by a fall is the equivalent of using Batter (a 5-B guy) dying from a long fall in a chimney if he doesn't fulfill some requirements as a genuine anti-feat against Tier 5 OFF.
Alright, I get it.


That does make me wonder, what kind of anti-feat would even be relevant to disprove any tier 7 or above then.
 
Guess what's currently 9-A and not 9-C, mythic?
Are you even reading what I'm saying? Hellaverse got downgraded via anti-feats that placed them to 9-A. I don't care what specific tier the anti-feats here would place them into, my point is that the anti-feats should also apply to 7-B.
More feats over 9-B than lower than it, unlike with Hazbin.

It's kinda akin to that one time SSJ4 Goku bleed after touching a shard of glass.
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Ok bro we get it. Stop using DB.
In fact OP is indeed ******* up by even using them lol.

No like seriously, falls are one of the things authors always think that are way more powerful than they actually are.

Using Kris getting hurt by a fall is the equivalent of using Batter (a 5-B guy) dying from a long fall in a chimney if he doesn't fulfill some requirements as a genuine anti-feat against Tier 5 OFF.
I see. I'll leave the anti-feats talking to knowledgeable members I guess.
 
Using Kris getting hurt by a fall is the equivalent of using Batter (a 5-B guy) dying from a long fall in a chimney if he doesn't fulfill some requirements as a genuine anti-feat against Tier 5 OFF.
Said 5-B doesn't scale to lads who blew up a planet, just created a place that big. Curious.
That does make me wonder, what kind of anti-feat would even be relevant to disprove any tier 7 or above then.
They are relevant if you want to downgrade them to levels around the anti-feats, or it's like a Mario-like verse where consistency doesn't exist.
The problem is that 7-B is just like straight-up nuke level, so it's hard to give it the benefit of the doubt that lower Tier 8s would have.
 
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