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"Deku" Izuku Midoriya VS "Jinchūriki" Obito Uchiha

  • Both in-character
  • Starting Distance: 100m
  • Equalized speed
  • Final War Arc Deku | Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito
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Deku:
Obito: 7 (@Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe, @DavidTPPM, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @Johner2133451, @TsukasayaEmmaDCD, @Bernkastelll, @TauanVictor)
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So Deku hits harder but Obito can erase him upon physical contact with TSOs, and eye contact leads to Dekus immediate demise due to genjutsu. And worst case scenario there's paralysis+soul stealing from rinnegan. Oh and if Deku gets a lucky shot Obito heals it up.


Yeah I'm strongly leaning towards Obito here
 
Danger Sense can help with this.
Obito has both advanced danger sense (6 paths sage mode) and precog (sharingan) which he's incredibly skilled. I would say that if anything Obitos danger sense gives him a greater advantage than Dekus gives him.
Genjutsu isn't OOC. Obito has used it repeatedly in the story. Such as against Kurama, Yagura, Konan, or Kakashi. It may appear OOC because most of Obitos on screen opponents had some sort of anti genjutsu mechanism but whenever Obito had the chance and a reason to use it, he very much did.
Again untrue. Obito admits the reason he's not using the rinnegan on screen isn't because he doesn't want to but because
1. It uses a large amount of chakra.
2. Naruto and his friends already know about it and how to counter it.

Here he's fighting with chakra quantity far dwarfing people like Nagato thanks to the Juubi so number 1 isn't an issue. And unlike Naruto, Deku is completely inexperienced with the rinnegan which exactly the type of situation where it's the most effective meaning issue 2 is also gone.

So not only is Obito using rinnegan not out of character, but the situation actually make the use of rinnegan preferable.
Obito's Regen is only Low-Mid.
So? That means Obito can repeatedly sacrifice half of his body in order to get a single solid strike on Deku and while Deku dies or is fatally weakened, Obito just regenerates back.
 
Genjutsu isn't OOC. Obito has used it repeatedly in the story. Such as against Kurama, Yagura, Konan, or Kakashi. It may appear OOC because most of Obitos on screen opponents had some sort of anti genjutsu mechanism but whenever Obito had the chance and a reason to use it, he very much did.
He used it against Kurama to invade the village, he used it against Konan in a very specific way (it's even strange to classify Izanagi as genjutsu, it rewrites your own death, it's not something like an “illusion”), against Yagura it involved Kirigakure and against Kakashi it involved Rin. None of these moments involved a direct fight.

At various times Obito could have used genjutsu in combat and he didn't. Naruto, Fuu, Torune, Guy, Bee, Minato...
Again untrue. Obito admits the reason he's not using the rinnegan on screen isn't because he doesn't want to but because
1. It uses a large amount of chakra.
2. Naruto and his friends already know about it and how to counter it.

Here he's fighting with chakra quantity far dwarfing people like Nagato thanks to the Juubi so number 1 isn't an issue. And unlike Naruto, Deku is completely inexperienced with the rinnegan which exactly the type of situation where it's the most effective meaning issue 2 is also gone.
So why didn't he use it against anyone as a Jinchuriki, not even the Edo Hokages?
 
So why didn't he use it against anyone as a Jinchuriki, not even the Edo Hokages?
Why obito must use human path on jinchurikis? If he had used it on them, their bijuu would have died alongside themselves, which would have corrupted obito's plan. Obito didn't use human path on yamato who was a small part of his plan because as obito himself admitted, he was able to use it on him but ripping his soul would kill him and he doesn't want it
Also obito on the time of fighting with edo kages was Juubito, and he hadn't any close fights with them except tobirama (Unstable Juubito had close fight but he was mindless on that time)
And he was holding back at the fight with Tobirama; he always showed signs of reacting to him but didn't do anything because he wanted Naruto changes him (as we can find in the conversation between him and Naruto)
And because it was the first time that he was testing Juubi Jinchuriki's power, he was trying to test juubi's power not rinnegan's power. But now there isn't any plot armours or Narutos, so obito fights with his real character and would use anything he has
 
He used it against Kurama to invade the village, he used it against Konan in a very specific way (it's even strange to classify Izanagi as genjutsu, it rewrites your own death, it's not something like an “illusion”), against Yagura it involved Kirigakure and against Kakashi it involved Rin. None of these moments involved a direct fight.
Of course they don't. Because the opponent can't fight when they're under genjutsu…
At various times Obito could have used genjutsu in combat and he didn't. Naruto,
He only fought Naruto with Bee who could just break him out. Chio straight up tells us 2v1 is the key to counter sharingan genjutsu.
Fuu, Torune,
He was toying with those so that's a really bad example.
He only fought Guy with 3 other people at once. Again 4v1 is a hard counter against genjutsu.
Literally a perfect Jinchuriki, the worst nightmare of genjutsu…
Minato...
He did, on Kurama. Kurama alone requires MS genjutsu to manipulate so there's no reason to believe he could also catch Minato while already controlling such a difficult target.
So why didn't he use it against anyone as a Jinchuriki,
His main opponent was Naruto, the number 1 most experienced rinnegan fighter in the show.
not even the Edo Hokages?
He didn't even fight them besides blitzing them when he was unstable/mindless. Plus he had TSO which, unlike rinnegan, hard counters edo tensei regeneration.
 
Yeaaah I'm voting Obito. It's not exactly a stomp give he's physically much weaker but he has a very obvious upper hand
 
How is this not a stomp? Not a single person here has actually explained how Izuku can win. They just say he can and don't explain why.

Obito will just instantly ends the fight the moment it starts with his hax. Izuku's higher stats mean nothing here because he'll never kill him. Even if I give Izuku the greatest benefit of the doubt. Obito can survive an attack as long as Izuku doesn't hit his head, even if it does he can use Izanagi to revive himself.

That's assuming Izuku has the ability to land a hit on someone with superior prediction abilities and senses. Obito will then stomp him right after that.

Danger Sense doesn't give Izuku information about attacks. If Obito blocks with the TSO, Izuku has no idea it'll instantly erase him on contact.

Izuku's technical win condition is not possible, period.

It's like giving some normal person a sword that could kill Obito on contact. Do you think he wouldn't still stomp that normal person? (Yes speed equalized as well)

However, as explained above, Obito ends this fight instantly with eye contact as well. Izuku literally has no counter to this. The only thing I see people mentioning is that Obito "might" just not use it at first. Which is a horrible argument. Essentially praying that he doesn't get stomped instantly?

Yeah no, this fight is completely one sided.
 
Of course they don't. Because the opponent can't fight when they're under genjutsu…
When did Obito use genjutsu as his first move against his opponent?
He only fought Naruto with Bee who could just break him out. Chio straight up tells us 2v1 is the key to counter sharingan genjutsu.

Literally a perfect Jinchuriki, the worst nightmare of genjutsu…
A genjutsu is not broken immediately. Even if Bee or Naruto could break them, Obito could do whatever he wanted.
He was toying with those so that's a really bad example.
True, maybe because it's part of his personality...
He did, on Kurama. Kurama alone requires MS genjutsu to manipulate so there's no reason to believe he could also catch Minato while already controlling such a difficult target.
He could use it at the exact moment Minato broke the seal.
His main opponent was Naruto, the number 1 most experienced rinnegan fighter in the show.
Naruto already fought Nagato and that didn't stop him from falling for Ningendo.
He didn't even fight them besides blitzing them when he was unstable/mindless. Plus he had TSO which, unlike rinnegan, hard counters edo tensei regeneration.
Yes, you yourself explained why genjutsu is OOC.
 
When did Obito use genjutsu as his first move against his opponent?
The second Kurama popped out of Kushina and as far as we know the second he popped up to Yagura (given any lage actual Kage level combat would be instantly noticed yet nobody knew about Obito).

Also kind of a redundant question. When has Obito last fought a 6-A character with no resistance to genjutsu? Especially one that doesn't even know about visual genjutsu being a thing?
A genjutsu is not broken immediately. Even if Bee or Naruto could break them, Obito could do whatever he wanted.
Yeah assuming he could pull off eye contact in a 1v2+ and afford to waste chakra on that.

All this means is that Obito considered them being able to break out enough to not make genjutsu worth the effort and chakra.
True, maybe because it's part of his personality...
Those were literal fodders while Obito was straight up untouchable and several tiers above them. So yeah it's a part of his personality, but this case is completely different from them.
He could use it at the exact moment Minato broke the seal.
He considered Minato so threatening he straight up dipped after that. Saying he doesn't use genjutsu in character because of that is like saying he doesn't use kamui or taijutsu in character since he didn't use those either.
Naruto already fought Nagato and that didn't stop him from falling for Ningendo.
Didn't matter to Obito (who also wasn't aware of the fact)
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Yes, you yourself explained why genjutsu is OOC.
Yeah, when he's fighting massively inferior fodders who can infinitely regenerate.
Deku is equal to his speed, much MUCH stronger, and doesn't have any of the regeneration or resistances that made him not use genjutsu.

Like your entire point is basically "Obito didn't use fire style against someone with immunity to fire so he wouldn't use it against someone made out of paper either"
 
I don't know if a rule is needed, but we gotta stop having these discussions.
Genjutsu usage is NEVER OOC for dojutsu users.
They simply don't use it as much because every ninja and their mother have the necessary Intel to take precautions, e.g, don't fight alone, close your eyes, have your own special eyes, etc.
Which is why said dojutsu users have to take roundabout measures in order to capture their targets with genjutsu, e.g, Madara grabbing Ay with his Susano’o, Sarada using substitution jutsu to set it up, Itachi trapping Kabuto with Izanami etc.
Other verses have no way of countering it and, as such, become easy targets to genjutsu.
Adult Sasuke never used genjutsu in all his fights in the boruto manga. Yet, that was his go-to technique when fighting non-shinobis in Redaku (Retsuden)
 
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