Deidara C0 downgrade

[Frey6678]

I‘m not sure if this has been done before
but currently in Deidara’s profile his C0 is small country level based of this calc using vaporization based of the databook statement and says it even vaporizes the caster soul which implies that deidara was vaped however I believe C0 is not vaporization and deidara was never vaped

• First reason is because we know deidara was an edo tensei and for edo tensei you need the flesh of the dead person you wish to revived and it’s made clear that without a certain amount of tissue they can’t be revive so there is no possible way deidara was vaped like the databook suggest we even see in sasuke retsuden that in order for zansul to revive the dinosaurs with edo tensei the fossils were needed
• Second reason is because we clearly see no sign of vaped material in the crater which is consistent with how we are later revealed deidara flesh was around and again we see no signs of vaporization and when Naruto and co arrive there is no signs of vaporization and it’s clear they can still smell deidara scent if deidara was vaporized his scent would be unrecognizable likely

Now these two reasons should be enough but I want to clarify that the manga takes priority over the data books and sometimes data books are hyperbolic or wrong
for example hebi sasuke stated to surpass akatsuki which is obviously wrong and contradicted by the manga aka the priority or Madara being able to destroy all things in creation another example is infinite blades tenten now I’m not saying the data books should be disregarded im saying there are statements that are clearly contradicted by the manga so databook statements like deidara being vaped is also another one clearly contradicted by the manga and the reason statements that contradict the manga exist is because the databooks were not written by kishimoto as he directly said in databook 1 that others wrote the book and in databook 3 kishimoto clearly states others wrote the book and in databook 4 he once again confirms the staff wrote the book which is all consistent with how statements like deidara don’t correspond with the manga which also makes sense to why databook states kaguya is leader of otsutsuki even though that is not true so there is NO REASON why the databook should be a priority and manga secondary when kishimoto directly wrote the manga

So deidara never got vaporized it’s contradicted by how his flesh exist which directly contradicts even his soul being vaporized and that being just hyperbole and the surroundings having no signs of vaporization
i think C0 should be reduced and not use vaporization
i did a recalculation here using pulverization

 

[Deceived3596]

Interesting....

Following.

 

[Nierre]

Following

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

1) Deidara has lost limbs in battles, suffered other injuries, etc etc etc. So Kabuto could have gotten flesh prior to Deidara dying. But we literally see the Jutsu consume his entire body as he turns into those black lines the condense to his heart.
2) The other stuff you bring up about the databook holds 0 weight with Deidara. We always treat the databook as a case by case basis, so other stuff being inconsistent (if they even are, idc to delve into your non Deidara stuff) doesn’t discredit the Deidara C0 scan.
3) You mention there being no “matter left over from vaporization”. Vaporization phase shifts matter into a gas, and then it’d disperse in the air, so not saying any “vap particles” doesn’t mean it wasn’t vaporized. There wouldn’t be anything visible that’s solid anyhow.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

• First reason is because we know deidara was an edo tensei and for edo tensei you need the flesh of the dead person you wish to revived and it’s made clear that without a certain amount of tissue they can’t be revive so there is no possible way deidara was vaped like the databook suggest we even see in sasuke

why did you ignore the panel that comes right after this that explicitly says any amount of genetic material can be used, how do you think they are able to bring back corpses that are literally just bones at this point?

• retsuden that in order for zansul to revive the dinosaurs with edo tensei the fossils were needed

He does this using the dna from the chickens, this is because birds are closely related to dinosaurs genetically

• which is consistent with how we are later revealed deidara flesh was around and again we see no signs of vaporization and when Naruto and co arrive there is no signs of vaporization

this happens a duration of time after the fact

• and it’s clear they can still smell deidara scent if deidara was vaporized his scent would be unrecognizable likely

that's not how scents work, even if your atomized your body your's scents residue would still be around for extended periods of time. this is why people recommend using your clothes or blankets to make pets more comfortable when moving in new houses.

Now these two reasons should be enough but I want to clarify that the manga takes priority over the data books and sometimes data books are hyperbolic or wrong

none of these are inconsistent with the manga it just seems you don't understand how they work.

for example hebi sasuke stated to surpass akatsuki

that's not what it says, it's a descriptive note describing a literal scene of what happens in the story with the people present, which is what happens, sasuke surprises them with his speed.

or Madara being able to destroy all things in creation

it's quoting a literal line from the manga, how can you argue manga >databooks when the hyperbole comes from the manga, and even then did you actual read the scans you sent, the actual translation is that this susanoo is destruction itself" not that it can destroy all things in creation.

another example is infinite blades tenten

this isn't a contradiction, your quoting the hype text which uses figurative language, infinite just means in huge quantities, like the "endless desert" or infinite sea

because the databooks were not written by kishimoto

they are, him and his staff work on it together

as he directly said in databook 1 that others wrote the book

no this is just what happens when people don't translate things with context, the people he is crediting there are not the people who literally write the book, it's the publishing agent that coordinates everything

and in databook 3 kishimoto clearly states others wrote the book

no? his thanking everyone who has worked on this book, because it's a collaborative process, that requires kishi,his staff, the shonen jump editorial department and the publishing agency to all be involved, you realize he said stuff like this for his own artbooks which are hand drawn by him aswell?

and in databook 4 he once again confirms the staff wrote the book

no, the original text says
スタッフ皆で苦労して 作り上げた本です!

この本が皆様にとって 大切な本になるといい・あぁ・・

陣の書を読んで下さった皆様 ありがとうございます!!

which can be translated as

This is a book that we all worked very hard to create!

I hope this book will be an important book for you.

Thank you very much for reading our book!

the translation you are using originated from a reddit user who used google translate btw, here is the source Reddit translate

databook states kaguya is leader of otsutsuki even though that is not true

this isnt an error this was retconned after the fact by series like boruto, you cant blame the databook for not accounting for information that doesnt exist

 

[Deceived3596]

Shadow and Arc = Bash Brothers for Naruto.

Straight double teaming dude.

 

[Damage3245]

First reason is because we know deidara was an edo tensei and for edo tensei you need the flesh of the dead person you wish to revived and it’s made clear that without a certain amount of tissue they can’t be revive so there is no possible way deidara was vaped like the databook suggest we even see in sasuke retsuden that in order for zansul to revive the dinosaurs with edo tensei the fossils were needed

Kabuto or Orochimaru could have just acquired Deidara's DNA prior to his death.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Shadow and Arc = Bash Brothers for Naruto.

Straight double teaming dude.

 

[Kidkinsey]

For the scent point kiba akamaru and Kakashi were there and their smell is like 10x greater

 

[Godernet]

So deidara never got vaporized it’s contradicted by how his flesh exist

Deidara is kind of known for getting thrashed in all of his fights. Edo doesn't contradict anything.

 

[Reio35]

Deidara is kind of known for getting thrashed in all of his fights. Edo doesn't contradict anything.

Kabuto stated he got flesh from debiara's corpse

 

[Reio35]

Kabuto or Orochimaru could have just acquired Deidara's DNA prior to his death.

It's implied he got it after

Kabuto stated he got dna for all his edo's from a Corps. With like 2 exceptions none of them being deidara

 

[Godernet]

Kabuto stated he got flesh from debiara's corpse

Can you post a scan of Kabuto saying he got Deidara’s DNA from his body post C0?

If it’s what he told Tobi about “grave robbing” that doesn’t mean he did that for every single one of them.

for example Kabuto already has an Edo Nagato despite the fact that Konan still had Nagato’s body at the time

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Kabuto doesn't even need a whole body, given that he demonstrated to Obito that he just needs the blood of the subject to be smeared on the scroll to be able to do it.

He even mentions that it's possible that the Six Paths of Pain's weapons had enough of Jiraiya's DNA on them to be able to use Edo Tensei on Jiraiya

 

[Reio35]

Kabuto doesn't even need a whole body, given that he demonstrated to Obito that he just needs the blood of the subject to be smeared on the scroll to be able to do it.

He even mentions that it's possible that the Six Paths of Pain's weapons had enough of Jiraiya's DNA on them to be able to use Edo Tensei on Jiraiya

This doesn't addresses what i said he literally stated he got dna from just graves. Everything else is head canon

Can you post a scan of Kabuto saying he got Deidara’s DNA from his body post C0?

If it’s what he told Tobi about “grave robbing” that doesn’t mean he did that for every single one of them.

for example Kabuto already has an Edo Nagato despite the fact that Konan still had Nagato’s body at the time

It does. He says it's just grave robbing then goes on to say he couldn't find the corpses of jiryara and shisui. Which again suggest he only went after plp who had already died.

When Kona died he had plenty of time to get his corspe. Also proven by the fact the nagato he revived had white hair. If he got nagato's dna while he was live he would have had red when he was revived. Plus nagato never got scared in battle.

 

[Godernet]

It does. He says it's just grave robbing then goes on to say he couldn't find the corpses of jiryara and shisui. Which again suggest he only went after plp who had already died.

Kabuto shows Obito the Edos(including Nagato) 20 chapters before Obito kills Konan and retrieves Nagato's body.

Also proven by the fact the nagato he revived had white hair. If he got nagato's dna while he was live he would have had red when he was revived.

Where is it stated that the Edos come back to the state they were in when the DNA was retrieved?

As far as we've seen Edos bring the Soul's body back to how it was before they were unalived, but without any of the physical injuries/illnesses they had.

Plus nagato never got scared in battle.

Huh?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

This doesn't addresses what i said he literally stated he got dna from just graves.

So a Generalized Explanation means that's the only possible way he could retrieve genetic material.

Everything else is head canon

What about the fact that he just needs the blood of the subject, as he demonstrated to Obito, and that it would be possible to do with a destroyed eyeball (Shisui's Eye) and bloodstains on weapons (Jiraiya's blood).