DEBUNKING CRAZY VILLIANS

[PrinceofPein]

What the title says, basically you find a debunk for villains philosophy
You either debunk the villains ideas and philospy or use it against them
Example: Esdeath from Akame ga kill

"she believes the weak are destined to die,

Debunk: "Won't we all perish eventually? Doesn't that mean we're all weak? Even if you never lose a fight, you can still die of old age, or sickness. Doesn't that mean that time or sickness is stronger than you? If that's the case, then there's always something or someone stronger than you, stronger than me. We all lose in the end. We're all weak in that regard, and no amount of strength, or no strong enough Teigu will prevent us from being stronger than the cycle of life itself."

Baiting: "There's really nothing that says your strong when you fight on the winning side. But, if you and I were to fight against the Empire, the side that's winning, and defeat it, then people will see how strong you are. The weaker the forces you ally with, the stronger you show yourself to be when you display your power...""

Note: All credits go to ZoroNotZolo

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Thanos: "I'll destroy half of all life in the universe so the other half may trive"

I don't think he knows that eventually they'll just grow back to their original number, and the fact he destroys the stones means he can't do so again. And I'm pretty sure it causes major catastrophes that Thanos never takes into account.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Good one

i am trying to think of a debunk for madara philosophy i cannot find one
i mean if everyone is living their best lives and they dont know they are in a dream, it seems like the best thing honestly

 

[fancykingkirby]

Dr.Doofenshmirtz

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Bump

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Waiting for someone to talk about Griffith

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

World domination plots.

It's very boring after. You have to manage the whole world. All decisions have 5l down by you and delegating tasks comes at the risk of potential ushurpers.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Also waiting for someone to talk about Yhwach and Aizen

 

[Arceus0x]

Dedede: i will steal all food in dreamland and make a feast

anyone wanna try to debunk dat?

 

[Schnee_One]

Good one

i am trying to think of a debunk for madara philosophy i cannot find one
i mean if everyone is living their best lives and they dont know they are in a dream, it seems like the best thing honestly

****.

That.

Living in your best life that has been dictated for you with no free will of your own? Not in a million years. I’d rather die.

If you want a philosophy like this explored and debunked pretty well. Check out persona 5 Royal.

 

[Arceus0x]

****.

That.

Living in your best life that has been dictated for you with no free will of your own? Not in a million years. I’d rather die.

If you want a philosophy like this explored and debunked pretty well. Check out persona 5 Royal.

guess you could say you TOOK OVER that philosophy

 

[Schnee_One]

guess you could say you TOOK OVER that philosophy

ITS TIME TO PUT YOU DOWN-
Crap I got addicted to the lyrics.

 

[Arceus0x]

ITS TIME TO PUT YOU DOWN-
Crap I got addicted to the lyrics.

MAKE OVER

 

[Popted2]

who want to debunk Esdeath ideology?

 

[Arceus0x]

who want to debunk Esdeath ideology?

country side boys aren't all as cute as she thinks they are

 

[Popted2]

country side boys aren't all as cute as she thinks they are

Tatsum is an exception

how about the stronger rule thing?

 

[Schnee_One]

who want to debunk Esdeath ideology?

It’s purely logic based and is incredibly cruel emotion wise, but truth be told, society today thrives on that.

 

[Arceus0x]

It’s purely logic based and is incredibly cruel emotion wise, but truth be told, society today thrives on that.

To debunk it you could say that there's always a bigger fish in the sea and you pretty much screw yourself over with your own rule.

 

[Nierre]

Following

 

[Lou_change]

Dedede: i will steal all food in dreamland and make a feast

You see people who make food need food.

Also his ideology is Clobber that there kirby.

 

[Arceus0x]

You see people who make food need food.

Also his ideology is Clobber that there kirby.

anime ideology.

Also food is pretty much everywhere in dream land. Idk why or how but it is.

 

[DragonLord]

When people write new Joker stories they base his Philosophy on the story that debunked that Philosophy

basically. Humanity not that bad Joker your just a weak ass bitch

 

[Lou_change]

anime ideology.

Revenge of the king and all the fighting games.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

World domination plots.

It's very boring after. You have to manage the whole world. All decisions have 5l down by you and delegating tasks comes at the risk of potential ushurpers.

This. Like I dunno about you, but singlehandedly trying to manage a planetary population would be a pain in the ass. How do people get joy out of this

 

[Schnee_One]

This. Like I dunno about you, but singlehandedly trying to manage a planetary population would be a pain in the ass. How do people get joy out of this

I would say God if you believe in that, but that’s a bit of a cop out.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Alovenus:

She was basically op since birth then people started following her due to her powers which she used to help people, she wanted to stop people's suffering so decided to kill God who is making it happen, kills God and creates a world without suffering, which results in people never being satisfied, cause they always had the best things such as food etc.

Then look at another universe and saw for a poor person, even a slice of bread would make them happy, conclusion, happiness only comes through suffering so she is gonna drive humanity close to extinction over and over again, so they will be content with what they have.

Fairly simple, massively misguided, she has never had anyone until Ruphas strong enough to correct her, both points of view seem flawed to me, there needs to be some level of hardship for people to feel like they accomplished something, but at the same time driving them to the brink of death is extreme. There should be some free will here, and not just what her or the previous God dictates.

Lizer Bellphoenix:

Ignoring the fact this guy is a lolicon, well can't really ignore it, as his entire goal is to create a world where kids can be happy. In the present day, people are suffering and much weaker than they were before, all because Ard disappeared. When he was around, there was no war, the world was at peace, so he wants Ard to become who he was before, reunite the world both physically and mentally, as of course there was no way so many different people could have been united without brainwashing them. So he proceeds to show the ugliest parts of humanity to Ard to show him, humans will never accept him, and he has no choice but to become who he was become because his current friends are just gonna fear him.

Anyway his entire ideology ignores free will, and he is willing to massacre anybody who gets in his way.

Regulus Corneas:

This doesn't take much to debunk, he believes he is the happiest person, because he is satisfied with what he has, while believing he is the most perfect existence. Same guy has 80 wives but was looking for more, and cares nothing for them except their pretty face. Once you encounter him he finds any reason to justify him killing you, you are infringing on his rights, his happiness.

He is a psychotic hypocrite.

 

[Metalballrun]

Waiting for someone to talk about Griffith

Griffith just wants to live out his little kid fairy tale fantasy that he wasn't able to do so because of his boner obsession with Guts.

Remade his own Band of the Hawk/Falcon, reliving his days as a hero among people's eyes.
Manipulating the dreams of the planet's population to portray himself as a literal Messiah.
Fusing the Astral World with the Physical World to create a literal fairy-tale land. Resulting to more threats that will play the role of the villains against Griffith roleplaying the hero.
And his dream kingdom. One of the only few remaining places that is safe for humanity.

Griffith sucks balls even if he made a near-utopic kingdom.

Though honestly, this isn't really a "debunk" on Griffith's philosophy, because Griffith doesn't really have one. He just has a dream.

 

[fancykingkirby]

Anyone gonna do Dr.Doofenshmirtz

 

[Lou_change]

The guy is without a philosophy and not a bad guy.

 

[Peppypony]

this is my oc but still a villain. her name is mother originator, she forces her creations to not only worship her or perish but also be what she wants them to be instead of letting them be themselves and down below is a quote of hers

"I’ve lived and travelled far beyond all of you! My knowledge is beyond yours! You're all nothing but my creations! I am your god! So only I can decide your destinies! You cannot defy me!"

wanna debunk her?

 

[Wdinatx]

When people write new Joker stories they base his Philosophy on the story that debunked that Philosophy

basically. Humanity not that bad Joker your just a weak ass bitch

Are you referring to Joker or The Joker? If you mean The Joker you are somewhat right: he's like Killmonger in that he's wrong because he was taught badly and gave up on finding his own path (if he even tried to find one), causing it to be both his fault and society's.

 

[Wdinatx]

this is my oc but still a villain. her name is mother originator, she forces her creations to not only worship her or perish but also be what she wants them to be instead of letting them be themselves and down below is a quote of hers

"I’ve lived and travelled far beyond all of you! You're nothing but my creations and I am your god so only I can decide your destinies! You cannot defy me!"

wanna debunk her?

This is like the TVA and The Raiden Shogun in that she's forcing people to do what she wants with nothing but violence, causing it to be no different from slavery. Your OC is actually even worse then any of the above because she does it as a flex rather than a hypocritical fear of no longer being the most powerful person around.

 

[Peppypony]

This is like the TVA and The Raiden Shogun

idk what that is but yeah she's pretty evil >: )

 

[Wdinatx]

idk what that is but yeah she's pretty evil >

They're from Loki (the TV show) and Genshin Impact respectively. The former is an organization that literally uses dimensional travel to go to every branch in the timeline and set it a certain way to ensure it goes the exact same as the "sacred timeline" causing there to effectively be only one timeline. It's major spoilers but they do this because their leader found that he's so power-hungry only alternate versions of himself can match him, causing him to make sure there is only one of him. The Raiden Shogun on the other hand is a god that prevents travel between her nation and others (in Genshin Impact each nation has their own god) seemingly because she doesn't want foreign customs to influnce her nation and banned Visions (the source of most character's supernatural powers) in her nation, not seeming to care that losing one's vision has the side effect of stripping people of their ambition as well as the memories that fuel it. She can't tell the difference between Eternity (everlasting) and Stasis (never-changing), so she strips her people of all their power and drive.

 

[Wdinatx]

I see no difference between that and historical slavery. It's just robbing people of the main thing that makes them people (The ability to make choices) because they don't want to have any competition.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

BlackBeard

 

[Wdinatx]

BlackBeard

The comments on that video do a better job than I think I can do but I'll give my own spin on it:
Luffy and Teach both have a core belief that's summarized in one word, freedom. The ability to do what you want. However, while Luffy uses that freedom to help people Teach uses it to cause pain and suffering for his own self gain. In the end Shirou's words summarize how I feel about the latter, that being "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right." His ideal itself isn't wrong, it's just that he exploits that very fact to do reprehensible things.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

it's just that he exploits that very fact to do reprehensible things.

And why would that be bad?

 

[Wdinatx]

And why would that be bad?

Ah, so you're one of those people who think robbery is just "surprise communism". I see no reason to continue this discussion in that case.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ok then a hard one.

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