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Death Battle REMATCH | Naruto vs Ichigo GRACE

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RanaProGamer said:
I think Rasenshuriken could incap Ichigo if it lands, and we know Naruto can spam them with his clones, since Ichigo has no resistance to cellular level damage nor Power Null. Also, since Reiatsu and Chakra are equalized, this means that none of Ichigo’s Reiatsu based attacks would work on Naruto due to the properties of Six Paths chakra. So Getsuga Tenshou wouldn’t work whether it lands or not. TSB also power null pretty much every Reiatsu based attacks. If anything, Naruto can spam from a distance while Ichigo can only fight by closing the distance.
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Ichigo's endurance is gonna be a problem there, he has bs level tenacity. Also he resists atomic hax.

Also, Ichigo has his own powernull and is 3x stronger, so TSBs are only gonna be an addition to Naruto's kit and not a game changer, especially since Ichigo is splitting them in two quite easily.
 
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How good is Naruto's Heat Resistace? Getsuga might literally cook him considering it can burn air and vaporize rock
 
Idk the exact numbers but naruto can survive amatertasu lighting style and lava style

How would ichigo split them in 2? A getsuga would get nulled
 
Kidkinsey said:
Idk the exact numbers but naruto can survive amatertasu lighting style and lava style

How would ichigo split them in 2? A getsuga would get nulled
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He has powernull himself, and TSB's powernull is limited to Jutsu, which only equates to Getsuga. Ichigo's AP diff means one good slash and poof.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
He has powernull himself, and TSB's powernull is limited to Jutsu, which only equates to Getsuga. Ichigo's AP diff means one good slash and poof.
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Ichigos power null is that aizen statement right? You have to be like TIERS above somebody for that to come into play

The tsbs null elemental and energy attacks that don't have senjutsu (natural energy) it isn't just jutsu
 
Kidkinsey said:
Ichigos power null is that aizen statement right? You have to be like TIERS above somebody for that to come into play

The tsbs null elemental and energy attacks that don't have senjutsu (natural energy) it isn't just jutsu
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They don't null physical attacks tho. Plus Reishi equates to Senjutsu anyway since it makes up everything in the spiritual realms of Bleach, so Ichigo can hit it with Getsuga.

TSB's can't nullify things that are 3x stronger than it.

Also, Ichigo's Getsuga burning is 20000C. Naruto resisting lava would be around the temp of lava, which is at best 1200C. Even considering Amaterasu's burning, Ichigo's heat is far hotter.
 
They don't null physical attacks but it'll definitely erase it lol

Since when was tsb null limited by a ap difference?
 
since when couldn't tsb null things that are stronger than it
tsb hax doesn't have anything to do with AP
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if tsb existed in bleach and something was stronger than tsb then the power null probably would not work, but naruto isn't bleach
 
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Kidkinsey said:
They don't null physical attacks but it'll definitely erase it lol

Since when was tsb null limited by a ap difference?
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Given Reishi = Senjutsu, no. Ichigo can stop them. Also space-time ninjutsu nulls TSBs and Ichigo has spatial manip as a part of Hollow Physiology.

Naruto is also gonna have trouble sensing Ichigo with Bringer Light + Shunpo and is sure as hell gonna have problems with Ichigo giving him the SS Arc Byakuya treatment
 
Reishi are spirit particles, nature energy isn't spiritual

If ichigos spatial manip can open a portal directly on the tsb like kakashi then sure
 
Kidkinsey said:
I know but the only reason kamui bypassed it is because the portal opened where kakashi looked

And yeah like robo said reishi and chakra make sense to be equalized. But nature energy is fundamentally different
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Ichigo's attacks can break spatial barriers. I can't reliably post scans on my phone rn so I'll get to my computer.

Also, Reiryoku and Chakra is what's similar
 
What is Naruto's answer to Getsuga heat? I don't know the exact calc for Ichigo's heat, but post-timeskip Ichigo's heat should be massively superior to his pre-ts self.

Rasenshuriken isn't an issue because Ichigo resists atomic hax

Ichigo resists everything TSBs do

And shadow clones aren't gonna keep him pinned considering he has superior mobility and can escape Naruto's senses with Bringer Light.

Naruto's uncouth tactics aren't gonna beat him out the second he gets an opening for these reasons, and Ichigo will adapt quickly to understand Naruto's fighting style and change his tactics accordingly, which he was able to learn Ikkaku's despite him intentionally making himself more predictable to throw off his opponents and how Gin made an entire plan to deceive Ichigo and how he solved it instantly

Plus in a direct fight Ichigo is more skilled and has an AP advantage and will grow stronger as the fight continues with reactive power level.
 
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ReaperAndBlues said:
What is Naruto's answer to Getsuga heat? I don't know the exact calc for Ichigo's heat, but post-timeskip Ichigo's heat should be massively superior to his pre-ts self.

Rasenshuriken isn't an issue because Ichigo resists atomic hax

Ichigo resists everything TSBs do

And shadow clones aren't gonna keep him pinned considering he has superior mobility and can escape Naruto's senses with Bringer Light.

Naruto's uncouth tactics aren't gonna beat him out the second he gets an opening for these reasons, and Ichigo will adapt quickly to understand Naruto's fighting style and change his tactics accordingly, which he was able to learn Ikkaku's despite him intentionally making himself more predictable to throw off his opponents and how Gin made an entire plan to deceive Ichigo and how he solved it instantly

Plus in a direct fight Ichigo is more skilled and has an AP advantage and will grow stronger as the fight continues with reactive power level.
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The calc from TYBW gets it up to trillions of degrees, but the Getsuga Tenshou up scales as when Ichigo fired it at Yhwach, his arm was more scortched (he was holding Yhwach and fired the GT point blank).

Yeah.

Yes. Not sure if I believe in TSO being EE, but even if they are, under the same credit, Aizen's passive Reiatsu is also EE and Ichigo resists that, Mugetsu is also EE and Ichigo wears that same Reiatsu on his body. Power null also isn't an issue as his spiritual pressure bypasses Seki Sekki material, which breaks apart spiritual energy.

On that note, Naruto may have flawless Taijusu, but Byakuya is also stated to have no shortcoming in his fighting style, yet Ichigo would surpass him eventually.

Other things Naruto won't resist outside of the heat manipulation, he won't be capable of resisting spatial manipulation like when Ichigo cut space to both escape Yukio's dimension with Reiatsu when transforming into Bankai and when he went to attack Aizen from behind, the passive Hollow poison (Naruto can only take so much of it), energy absorption (which actually gives Naruto trouble), and other things like if Ichigo has it, he can just destroy Naruto at a level above molecular deconstruction with Kenpachi's passive Reiatsu, or with enough Reiatsu, he can bypass Naruto's defenses and attack internal organs (like what Hikone did), BFR Naruto's soul to Soul Society and leave him there.

Just other things to put on the table.

His evolution will also help, which is funny someone mentioned the Askin instance cause he lowered Ichigo's tolerance to Reishi, yet Ichigo was able to recover from that despite Orihime not going over to heal him, so his evolution is so good it can overcome a level of resistance negation.
 
Also yes, since we're equalizing Chakra to Reiatsu, I think its fair to equalize Reishi to Senjutsu, and guess what, everything is made out of Reishi, including Ichigo's body, so he can just resist all of TSO's effects.
 
KillerNerd007 said:
The calc from TYBW gets it up to trillions of degrees, but the Getsuga Tenshou up scales as when Ichigo fired it at Yhwach, his arm was more scortched (he was holding Yhwach and fired the GT point blank).

Yeah.

Yes. Not sure if I believe in TSO being EE, but even if they are, under the same credit, Aizen's passive Reiatsu is also EE and Ichigo resists that, Mugetsu is also EE and Ichigo wears that same Reiatsu on his body. Power null also isn't an issue as his spiritual pressure bypasses Seki Sekki material, which breaks apart spiritual energy.

On that note, Naruto may have flawless Taijusu, but Byakuya is also stated to have no shortcoming in his fighting style, yet Ichigo would surpass him eventually.

Other things Naruto won't resist outside of the heat manipulation, he won't be capable of resisting spatial manipulation like when Ichigo cut space to both escape Yukio's dimension with Reiatsu when transforming into Bankai and when he went to attack Aizen from behind, the passive Hollow poison (Naruto can only take so much of it), energy absorption (which actually gives Naruto trouble), and other things like if Ichigo has it, he can just destroy Naruto at a level above molecular deconstruction with Kenpachi's passive Reiatsu, or with enough Reiatsu, he can bypass Naruto's defenses and attack internal organs (like what Hikone did), BFR Naruto's soul to Soul Society and leave him there.

Just other things to put on the table.

His evolution will also help, which is funny someone mentioned the Askin instance cause he lowered Ichigo's tolerance to Reishi, yet Ichigo was able to recover from that despite Orihime not going over to heal him, so his evolution is so good it can overcome a level of resistance negation.
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Also there's his instinctive action which allows him to parry attacks while severely weakened against opponents faster and stronger than him and can do so while sleeping or meditating. If Naruto tries to jump him, he won't make it easy. Not to mention it allows him to intuitively make last minute decisions such as when he used Getsuga Tenshou to back off Res Ulquiorra.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Also there's his instinctive action which allows him to parry attacks while severely weakened against opponents faster and stronger than him and can do so while sleeping or meditating. If Naruto tries to jump him, he won't make it easy. Not to mention it allows him to intuitively make last minute decisions such as when he used Getsuga Tenshou to back off Res Ulquiorra.
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That too.

That shit negs one of Naruto's major abilities, which is emotion detection. The fact it allows Ichigo to react to characters of a blitz of a difference makes it even better for him.
 
Soul damage not having any functionality in this fight? With GT or Zanpakuto's basic attacks that affect the soul.

Furthermore, it is important to look at the physiology of both hollow and shinigami, Ichigo has resistance to some abilities, I don't know Naruto so I don't know which one could be useful. Ichigo can become stronger during the fight, confuse his senses, bypass extrasensory perception... If I'm not mistaken, ichigo can detect emotions too. He mentions this at some point in the manga.
 
Just wanna say but this is SPSM Naruto being used, if he wanted to then Naruto could just add Kurama’s chakra to the mix which will close the gap in AP. Let’s also not forget that (even though it was for Asura mode) he could have Kurama gather stronger chakra to make him even stronger so yes the AP gap would be closer or may surpass Ichigo
 
BlackeJan said:
Just wanna say but this is SPSM Naruto being used, if he wanted to then Naruto could just add Kurama’s chakra to the mix which will close the gap in AP. Let’s also not forget that (even though it was for Asura mode) he could have Kurama gather stronger chakra to make him even stronger so yes the AP gap would be closer or may surpass Ichigo
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It is unlikely that Naruto will surpass Ichigo in AP considering Ichigo passively grows stronger as the fight continues, and quite quickly. And as Nerd mentioned, he'll have to survive trillions of degrees in heat.
 
^ not only that but while in kurama avatar it basically takes all the damage for him so while he's in it it's not like naruto is actually being hurt

Naurtos unpredictable nature and plans have tricked people who can literally see images of what's about to occur, have danger awareness and other senses. Does ichigo have good instincts yes but saying he's gonna instantly download narutos mix ups is a bit of a stretch

Iirc the ichigo sensing emotions thing comes from him sensing aizens loneliness in his blade. It's not neccesarily used as a form of precog like narutos

When was ichigos heat in the trillions. Wouldn't it have the same effects Yama bankaibwas having
 
Kidkinsey said:
^ not only that but while in kurama avatar it basically takes all the damage for him so while he's in it it's not like naruto is actually being hurt
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Kurama has never tanked trillions of degrees in heat.
Kidkinsey said:
Naurtos unpredictable nature and plans have tricked people who can literally see images of what's about to occur, have danger awareness and other senses. Does ichigo have good instincts yes but saying he's gonna instantly download narutos mix ups is a bit of a stretch
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Ichigo has been able to pull apart Gin's plans who can hide killing intent and emotion from people who can learn everything just by looking at you. Sasuke also has been caught by shit that moves faster than him.
Kidkinsey said:
Iirc the ichigo sensing emotions thing comes from him sensing aizens loneliness in his blade. It's not neccesarily used as a form of precog like narutos
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He used it against Ulquiorra to predict him.
Kidkinsey said:
When was ichigos heat in the trillions. Wouldn't it have the same effects Yama bankaibwas having
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It revolves around the calc of him vaporizing an ocean instantaneously. Beforehand he could vaporize solid rock on impact. Not to mention he has more reiatsu than Post-SAFWY Zaraki who tanked Itto Kaso, which is trillions
 
Kidkinsey said:
^ not only that but while in kurama avatar it basically takes all the damage for him so while he's in it it's not like naruto is actually being hurt

Naurtos unpredictable nature and plans have tricked people who can literally see images of what's about to occur, have danger awareness and other senses. Does ichigo have good instincts yes but saying he's gonna instantly download narutos mix ups is a bit of a stretch

Iirc the ichigo sensing emotions thing comes from him sensing aizens loneliness in his blade. It's not neccesarily used as a form of precog like narutos

When was ichigos heat in the trillions. Wouldn't it have the same effects Yama bankaibwas having
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That isn't changing much, as seen that even Jigen can bypass that defense, one Getsuga Tenshou or a concentrated stream of Reiatsu is enough to bypass it.

I already brought it up. Ichigo was able to pick apart Gin's plans and tactics, who is also very unpredictable, and is so to people who can sense your emotions as well and some of these guys can predict your next set of actions, yet that didn't trick Ichigo. To say Naruto will catch Ichigo off guard with tactics is too unlikely. Funny how you mentioned precognition cause those same guys who use it usually beat Naruto in direct skill.

He can use it as seen with Fullbring arc.

The river made to cool down the heat of the Zanpakuto.
 
KillerNerd007 said:
That isn't changing much, as seen that even Jigen can bypass that defense, one Getsuga Tenshou or a concentrated stream of Reiatsu is enough to bypass it.

I already brought it up. Ichigo was able to pick apart Gin's plans and tactics, who is also very unpredictable, and is so to people who can sense your emotions as well and some of these guys can predict your next set of actions, yet that didn't trick Ichigo. To say Naruto will catch Ichigo off guard with tactics is too unlikely. Funny how you mentioned precognition cause those same guys who use it usually beat Naruto in direct skill.

He can use it as seen with Fullbring arc.

The river made to cool down the heat of the Zanpakuto.
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Yes Reikaku allows the user to detect emotional states of others.
 
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