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DCEU SUPERMAN MOON LEVEL UPGRADE

Protector_Hunk

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EDİT:THİS İS HİGH 6A FEAT DO YOU AGREE WİTH THİS?

Now I feel obliged to open this because I think dceu has been treated very unfairly.
DCEU Superman Moon Level up.
First of all, we know that there are 2 Doomsdays in dceu,and the original doomsday destroyed the satellite of krypton,in other words the "Moon of Krypton" (Zack Snyded Also Confirmed ) and steppenwolf resisted againts doomsday for a long time, even Doomsday could not defeat him and the fight ended inconclusively. .And considering that Superman easyily defeated steppenwolf Superman should reach the "5C" level.
Also able to fight under conditions challenging or close to Superman; Characters such as Wonder Woman and BVS Doomsday can also reach this level.
And here's @MemeLordGamer_Trap 's calculation:
MemeLordGamer Trap Calculation
If all he did was tear the Moon apart, the Moon would put itself back together. The fact that he failed to do so means that Doomsday has overcome the Moon's GBE.

GBE Earth Moon = U = (3GM^2)/(5r) = (3(6.67408x10^-11)((7.348X10^22kg)^2)/(5(1,737,100m) = 29.636711281070747648 Exatones (5-C / Moon Level)
agree: @Baabasaplar95 @Livinmeme @EldemadeDityjon
Disagree: @RanaProGamer @Qawsedf234 @Jason_Courne @Yokoahh5743
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The last time this was brought up the Moon level stuff was rejected. To my memory:
  • The WoG has no on screen support or background lore support. Its just the one statement
  • We have no idea what the time frame or context was for the feat
  • We have no idea how Steppenwolf vs Doomsday went. Saying Steppenwolf survived is meaningless since it could just mean he was one shot
  • Doomsday gets stronger with energy exposure, we have no idea if the Doomsday that cracked the moon is the same that fought Steppenwolf
  • Its far higher than any other calced feat afaik
Nothing presented really alleviates any of the previous concerns. So I still wouldn't use it as a flat upgrade to everyone.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
En son bu konu gündeme getirildiğinde Ay seviyesi konusu reddedilmişti. Hatırladığım kadarıyla:
  • WoG'un ekran desteği veya arka plan bilgisi desteği yok. Sadece bir ifade var
  • Başarının zaman çerçevesinin veya bağlamının ne olduğu hakkında hiçbir fikrimiz yok
  • Steppenwolf ile Doomsday'in nasıl gittiğine dair hiçbir fikrimiz yok. Steppenwolf'un hayatta kaldığını söylemek anlamsız çünkü bu sadece tek atışlık olduğu anlamına gelebilir.
  • Kıyamet, enerji açığa çıktıkça güçleniyor, Ay'ı çatlatan Kıyamet'in Steppenwolf'la savaşan Kıyamet'le aynı olup olmadığını bilmiyoruz
  • Bildiğim kadarıyla diğer tüm kalsifikasyonlardan çok daha yüksek
Sunulan hiçbir şey önceki endişeleri gerçekten hafifletmiyor. Bu yüzden bunu yine de herkes için düz bir yükseltme olarak kullanmazdım.
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1. Okay, let me answer then.
First of all, I guess you didn't look at the sources because it appears that the moon is falling apart both in the database and as a screen, and Zack Snyder confirms it, this is definitely enough context.
2. Yes, you said we do not know the timeline of success and how it was done, but it is enough for Zack Snyder to say "Destroyed By Doomsday". Unless proven otherwise, this should rise to the moon level with the phrase "significantly affecting" given on Doomsday's tiering page. In any case, the time period is and if the energy it shattered was given, a higher scale would be given by giving the time and energy it shattered, but at least this scale would be moon level as it "significantly affects" the moon.
3. First of all, unfortunately, I think you didn't look at the source. Doomsday and Steppenwolf fought one on one for a long time and they were unsuccessful, there is even a mural about it, I can send it to you if you especially want it🙏
4. You said that Doomsday gets stronger when energy is released, but what you said was for the doomsday that appeared in Batman v Superman, this is the original doomsday.
5. You said that it cannot be proven that the doomsday that fights with steppen wolf and the doomsday that destroys the moon are the same, but on the page I gave, it is specifically stated that the doomsday that steppenwolf fights with is the original doomsday.
We have already seen the entire life of Doomsday in the DCEU, which we saw in the BVS movie (from Lex Luthor's portrayal until they killed each other by Superman).
In other words, the probability of there being another doomsday other than the one that destroyed the moon is 0.
 
Kutup_Pandası said:
1. Okay, let me answer then.
First of all, I guess you didn't look at the sources because it appears that the moon is falling apart both in the database and as a screen, and Zack Snyder confirms it, this is definitely enough context.
2. Yes, you said we do not know the timeline of success and how it was done, but it is enough for Zack Snyder to say "Destroyed By Doomsday". Unless proven otherwise, this should rise to the moon level with the phrase "significantly affecting" given on Doomsday's tiering page. In any case, the time period is and if the energy it shattered was given, a higher scale would be given by giving the time and energy it shattered, but at least this scale would be moon level as it "significantly affects" the moon.
3. First of all, unfortunately, I think you didn't look at the source. Doomsday and Steppenwolf fought one on one for a long time and they were unsuccessful, there is even a mural about it, I can send it to you if you especially want it🙏
4. You said that Doomsday gets stronger when energy is released, but what you said was for the doomsday that appeared in Batman v Superman, this is the original doomsday.
5. You said that it cannot be proven that the doomsday that fights with steppen wolf and the doomsday that destroys the moon are the same, but on the page I gave, it is specifically stated that the doomsday that steppenwolf fights with is the original doomsday.
We have already seen the entire life of Doomsday in the DCEU, which we saw in the BVS movie (from Lex Luthor's portrayal until they killed each other by Superman).
In other words, the probability of there being another doomsday other than the one that destroyed the moon is 0.
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Again, the main issue is still the timeframe, a Low 6-B can destroy the moon overtime. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that the moon was shattered in one attack. Just Zack saying “Destroyed by Doomsday” doesn’t give any timeframe. This the same Zack Snyder who said a cruise missile could knock out a Kryptonian.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
  • The WoG has no on screen support or background lore support. Its just the one statement
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Why does that matter? Are you implying that WOG is lying for uh...Reasons
Qawsedf234 said:
  • We have no idea what the time frame or context was for the feat
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He already explained why that doesn't matter, he either destroys the moon so hard that it can't "glue itself" together trough gravity, or it doesn't.
Qawsedf234 said:
  • We have no idea how Steppenwolf vs Doomsday went. Saying Steppenwolf survived is meaningless since it could just mean he was one shot
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Really?
Qawsedf234 said:
  • Doomsday gets stronger with energy exposure, we have no idea if the Doomsday that cracked the moon is the same that fought Steppenwolf
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That seems like a head canon, at worst it would get a potential rating
Qawsedf234 said:
  • Its far higher than any other calced feat afaik
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Not really a probllem
Anyways, I agree
 
RanaProGamer said:
Again, the main issue is still the timeframe, a Low 6-B can destroy the moon overtime. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that the moon was shattered in one attack. Just Zack saying “Destroyed by Doomsday” doesn’t give any timeframe. This the same Zack Snyder who said a cruise missile could knock out a Kryptonian.
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Zack Snyder said that the Moon was torn apart by a "fall." Also, it doesn't matter because it either shatters the Moon so hard that it cannot be put back together, or it doesn't. And when Zack Snyder says that missiles and kryptonians can be stopped, you are making a red herring and half truth.
Because that quote by Zack Snyder is for kryptonians who have not yet become awakened, like Faora or Nam-Ek.
 
Jason_Courne said:
Believe it or not, Moon level entitles, destroying the ENTIRE Moon, not just splitting it down the middle or fragmenting half of it. That "signfiicantly affect" term only applies for Universal and above (and even then... not really)
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My friend, can you please read the page again and talk to me like that?
If it just split the moon in half it wouldn't be considered a significant impact, but "shattering" would significantly affect it as seen on the screen
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/827991840288276580/1265610700571676722/IMG_20240724_130246.jpg?ex=66a22350&is=66a0d1d0&hm=574c3fbef95c6fdf61e28f2697e33a699007c6ee94c6faeb46a20aa576c1a5f5&
 
Given the details, it is likely Doomsday was fighting Krypton - in which case there's nothing ruling out the possibility Doomsday was super nuked and then sent to the phantom zone.
 
Kutup_Pandası said:
My friend, can you please read the page again and talk to me like that?
If it just split the moon in half it wouldn't be considered a significant impact, but "shattering" would significantly affect it as seen on the screen
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Believe it or not, breaking less than half of the moon... doesn't equal destroying the entire thing

Kutup_Pandası said:
As can be seen from the calc I gave, since the moon does not meet, its energy should be 5C.
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Gravitational Binding Energy is for violently destroying an ENTIRE celestial body, not just splitting it in half

Like seriously at this point, just by looking at it, not even half of the moon was destroyed, all it looks like happened was Doomsday broke through the center of the moon because both the upper and lower half still look in tact
 
Jason_Courne said:
Believe it or not, breaking less than half of the moon... doesn't equal destroying the entire thing


Gravitational Binding Energy is for violently destroying an ENTIRE celestial body, not just splitting it in half

Like seriously at this point, just by looking at it, not even half of the moon was destroyed, all it looks like happened was Doomsday broke through the center of the moon because both the upper and lower half still look in tact
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What?
Didn't even half of it disappear?
If you want, look at the image again, 4/3 of the moon has been destroyed and could not unite, which gives 5C as I gave in calc, but even though it is not 5C;
At least it gives H6A through this calc.
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Bertron Doomsday shatters a Moon

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I also remember Snyder saying that his version of Superman couldn't even lift a continent because he was the most grounded version of Superman. Obviously he didn't mean "he can't lift a continent, but he can destroy the moon", given that for characters like Superman the relationship between AP and lifting is consistent.
 
Minos_the_Judge said:
I also remember Snyder saying that his version of Superman couldn't even lift a continent because he was the most grounded version of Superman. Obviously he didn't mean "he can't lift a continent, but he can destroy the moon", given that for characters like Superman the relationship between AP and lifting is consistent.
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My friend, there is no relationship between the lifting strength you mentioned, the lifting strength and AP.
 
Kutup_Pandası said:
Didn't even half of it disappear?
If you want, look at the image again, 4/3 of the moon has been destroyed and could not unite, which gives 5C as I gave in calc, but even though it is not 5C;
At least it gives H6A through this calc.
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Bertron Doomsday shatters a Moon

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No by looking at the image, the upper half is clearly undamaged at all, and the lower half still appears to be in semi-whole shape.
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The calculation is wrong because it assumes the entire moon was fragmented when it wasn't, it also assumes it overcame the Gravitational Binding Energy, when that is the total energy required to violently destroy the entire mass and prevent it from ever reforming

At best it should be equal to baseline splitting the moon, but even then
1. We've never seen Doomsday
2. We don't even get a clear look at the Moon
3. The context of Steppenwolf's fight against Doomsday is unknown
4. The context of how Doomsday performed the feat is completely unknown
 
Jason_Courne said:
No by looking at the image, the upper half is clearly undamaged at all, and the lower half still appears to be in semi-whole shape.
reJ3dDs.png


The calculation is wrong because it assumes the entire moon was fragmented when it wasn't, it also assumes it overcame the Gravitational Binding Energy, when that is the total energy required to violently destroy the entire mass and prevent it from ever reforming

At best it should be equal to baseline splitting the moon, but even then
1. We've never seen Doomsday
2. We don't even get a clear look at the Moon
3. The context of Steppenwolf's fight against Doomsday is unknown
4. The context of how Doomsday performed the feat is completely unknown
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As can be seen from where you posted, dividing the moon into two will give "High 6A".
It has shattered more than half of the moon, in the image the upper part is not completely solid, it is also quite shattered there and in the calc I made, considering that it shattered the entire moon, H6A is not given, the amount of rock it needs to shatter is High 6A. Steppenwolf and doomsday fought for a long time. Then, it appears on the page I posted that the war was inconclusive,
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...44c&hm=d9bea1668a9d3ce5c9156f7d3809ba25389233 089f9bd4e0b6055c90acb40048&
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...4c&hm=a646ee8ba282d82fba2c0126113f4158ddb7835 181a025944958e96b7aa74fec&
I have already changed my mind, as I wrote, I describe this as H6A, not 5C. Do you agree with this?
 
Protector_Hunk said:
It has shattered more than half of the moon, in the image the upper part is not completely solid, it is also quite shattered there and in the calc I made, considering that it shattered the entire moon, H6A is not given, the amount of rock it needs to shatter is High 6A. Steppenwolf and doomsday fought for a long time. Then, it appears on the page I posted that the war was inconclusive,
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...44c&hm=d9bea1668a9d3ce5c9156f7d3809ba25389233 089f9bd4e0b6055c90acb40048&
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...4c&hm=a646ee8ba282d82fba2c0126113f4158ddb7835 181a025944958e96b7aa74fec&
I have already changed my mind, as I wrote, I describe this as H6A, not 5C. Do you agree with this?
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You can literally see two halves of the moon, it did not "shatter the entire moon", all it did was break it down the middle

The war is completely inconclusive, maybe the entirety of Steppenwolf's army chucked Doomsday into space rather than actual direct conflict, maybe Steppenwolf was being beaten into a paste over the course of a hundred years, maybe Doomsday adapted and grew stronger enough to perform the feat
 
Jason_Courne said:
You can literally see two halves of the moon, it did not "shatter the entire moon", all it did was break it down the middle
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That seems easy to do, just calc how much energy you would need to seperate the half of the moon so hard, that GBE doesn't glue it together
 
Livinmeme said:
That seems easy to do, just calc how much energy you would need to seperate the half of the moon so hard, that GBE doesn't glue it together
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That's not how GBE works, the moon chunks are still within orbit of each other so GBE wasn't even closely to remotely overpowered
 
Jason_Courne said:
You can literally see two halves of the moon, it did not "shatter the entire moon", all it did was break it down the middle

The war is completely inconclusive, maybe the entirety of Steppenwolf's army chucked Doomsday into space rather than actual direct conflict, maybe Steppenwolf was being beaten into a paste over the course of a hundred years, maybe Doomsday adapted and grew stronger enough to perform the feat
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Dude, I can't understand how you managed to make 5 fallacies in ONE sentence.
Yes, it does not split the moon and I have changed my mind, I said I am now taking it as High 6A, and you are committing an invincible fallacy by ignoring it. Also, the moon was not only split into two, it was split into two and its lower part was completely torn apart, and in the calc I gave, this will be positioned at "High 6A" in the calc I gave now.
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Common Feat: Splitting the Moon in half

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Bertron Doomsday shatters a Moon

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Also, "APPEAL TO POSSIBLTY" 4 times in the other sentences you gave.
You did it. I will not accept these until you prove what you say and in the images I gave you it says "THEY TWO FOUGHT FOR A LONG TIME" I also gave a mural about this but you are trying to save yourself from appeal to possibility.
 
Jason_Courne said:
You can literally see two halves of the moon, it did not "shatter the entire moon", all it did was break it down the middle

The war is completely inconclusive, maybe the entirety of Steppenwolf's army chucked Doomsday into space rather than actual direct conflict, maybe Steppenwolf was being beaten into a paste over the course of a hundred years, maybe Doomsday adapted and grew stronger enough to perform the feat
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I don't know, man. It's clearly talking about Steppenwolf's power, not his army or something. It's trying to imply the threat or danger he was posing. So it clearly seems to be talking about Steppenwolf himself fighting Doomsday.
Protector_Hunk said:
steppenwolf resisted againts doomsday for a long time,
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Btw don't take it in a wrong way but OP is poorly made. You should have addressed most possible arguments in the OP itself after checking previous revision threads. Now it will be turned into a mess because of continuously replying to each of the arguments.

Anyway I agree with H6-A for splitting the moon
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't know, man. It's clearly talking about Steppenwolf's power, not his army or something. It's trying to imply the threat or danger he was posing. So it clearly seems to be talking about Steppenwolf himself fighting Doomsday.
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Except a few sentences later it points out his tactics, leadership, and weaponry as one of his strongsuits. Alongside his "nigh immortality" directly following the statement

Protector_Hunk said:
Dude, I can't understand how you managed to make 5 fallacies in ONE sentence.
Yes, it does not split the moon and I have changed my mind, I said I am now taking it as High 6A, and you are committing an invincible fallacy by ignoring it. Also, the moon was not only split into two, it was split into two and its lower part was completely torn apart, and in the calc I gave, this will be positioned at "High 6A" in the calc I gave now.
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Except you've been explicitly phrasing it as if Doomsday had shattered the whole moon, and you were linking a calculation that assumes Doomsday fragmented an entire 50% of the Moon. You can clearly see both halfs of the moon are still semi-whole

Protector_Hunk said:
Also, "APPEAL TO POSSIBLTY" 4 times in the other sentences you gave.
You did it. I will not accept these until you prove what you say and in the images I gave you it says "THEY TWO FOUGHT FOR A LONG TIME" I also gave a mural about this but you are trying to save yourself from appeal to possibility.
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Ok... and how did the fight go? You need context for this, but there is absolutely NONE. If a fight purposely leaves the results and context vague and unanswered, ITS BAD EVIDENCE!
If a feat leaves no context to how it was performed, ITS A BAD FEAT!

We don't know HOW Doomsday performed the feat, we don't know HOW the fight between Steppenwolf and Doomsday went, we don't even KNOW this Doomsday exists outside of word of god

This feat is a possibly upon a possibly all hanging together with paper thin twine via Word of God
 
Yes, but we see that the moon was split into two by Doomsday with a "FALL" and one of the remaining 2 pieces was almost completely disintegrated. I have already changed my mind, I call this feat HIGH 6A.
Do you agree with this?
Gasper said:
We literally see moon being split in the movie and that straight up isn't moon level.
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Protector_Hunk said:
Yes, but we see that the moon was split into two by Doomsday with a "FALL" and one of the remaining 2 pieces was almost completely disintegrated. I have already changed my mind, I call this feat HIGH 6A.
Do you agree with this?

Yes, but we see that the moon was split into two by Doomsday with a "FALL" and one of the remaining 2 pieces was almost completely disintegrated. I have already changed my mind, I call this feat HIGH 6A.
Do you agree with this?
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I think someone should calculate the feat.
You should also change your OP to reflect your new proposal.
 
Jason_Courne said:
Except a few sentences later it points out his tactics, leadership, and weaponry as one of his strongsuits. Alongside his "nigh immortality" directly following the statement


Except you've been explicitly phrasing it as if Doomsday had shattered the whole moon, and you were linking a calculation that assumes Doomsday fragmented an entire 50% of the Moon. You can clearly see both halfs of the moon are still semi-whole


Ok... and how did the fight go? You need context for this, but there is absolutely NONE. If a fight purposely leaves the results and context vague and unanswered, ITS BAD EVIDENCE!
If a feat leaves no context to how it was performed, ITS A BAD FEAT!

We don't know HOW Doomsday performed the feat, we don't know HOW the fight between Steppenwolf and Doomsday went, we don't even KNOW this Doomsday exists outside of word of god

This feat is a possibly upon a possibly all hanging together with paper thin twine via Word of God
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Dude, I gave this feat high 6a, not 5C, because dividing the moon into two gives high 6a. Also, he divided the moon into two and then broke a lot of other parts, so it is impossible not to call this feat high 6a.
It says steppenwolf and doomsday fought for a long time and there is a mural about it. I thought I threw it away. This is definitely enough context.
 
Gasper said:
I think someone should calculate the feat.
You should also change your OP to reflect your new proposal.
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The success has already been calculated and in the Moon Level Upgrade section, "I changed my mind, high 6a, do you agree with this?" I said, you can look if you want.
Here are the calcs:
Even if the moon is split into two, it requires high 6a energy.
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Common Feat: Splitting the Moon in half

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Bertron Doomsday shatters a Moon

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Protector_Hunk said:
Dude, I gave this feat high 6a, not 5C, because dividing the moon into two gives high 6a. Also, he divided the moon into two and then broke a lot of other parts, so it is impossible not to call this feat high 6a.
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Stop linking this calculation then, it's assuming Doomsday fragmented the ENTIRE half of the moon, when that's not close to what he did since you can clearly see the major shapes of the lower and upper half

Protector_Hunk said:
It says steppenwolf and doomsday fought for a long time and there is a mural about it. I thought I threw it away. This is definitely enough context.
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No it's not, because "two characters fought for awhile, yeah" is such a vague statement, were they evenly matched? No probably not since they specfically state "survive" against Doomsday and then focus on Steppenwolf's nigh-immortality,
Livinmeme said:
Why the godamn feat having most of his context coming from a WOG statement matters? Otherwise DB would be more of a mess that it already is
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Because it has never been seen, never been talked about, never ANYTHING in the actual movies

All we see is the moon ****** up and Snyder in a watch party going "yeh Doomsday caused it"
 
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