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It'd be "Varies with speed, up to 2-C normally, up to 2-C, possibly 2-A at his peak"Could be "Varies up to 2-C", normally 2-C wouldn't make sense for obvious reasons, speed force users powers Varies according to the amount of speed force energy drawn.
I guess we'll just make one at a time I suppose? Like we cover Superman, then Green Lantern, then the rest.Makes sense but that would depend on the OP and others and I don't think it would be easy for OP to monitor 4 or more threads at the same time.
Is there any mention to mention with speed i'm sure everyone who reads the profile would know plus I don't think it's necessarily to mention 2-C twice.It'd be "Varies with speed, up to 2-C normally, up to 2-C, possibly 2-A at his peak"
Agreed.I guess we'll just make one at a time I suppose? Like we cover Superman, then Green Lantern, then the rest.
I think only Supes and the GLs should get their own respective threads since most of the feats come from them.
Because the second one is a peak he rarely goes at, and has little scaling other than 2 other characters.Is there any mention to mention with speed i'm sure everyone who reads the profile would know plus I don't think it's necessarily to mention 2-C twice.
"Varies up to 2-C, possibly 2-A at peak"
Is plain and better to me.
3 universes unfortunately as per what Emirp told me so nah.Finally, I can make DC Ares vs God of War Ares
Better pray and hope DontTalkDT murks Tier 2 in his revisions so that number of universes become meaningless.
"Varies up to 2-C, 2-C possibly 2-A" then?Because the second one is a peak he rarely goes at, and has little scaling other than 2 other characters.
Let me dream3 universes unfortunately as per what Emirp told me so nah.Better pray and hope DontTalkDT murks Tier 2 in his revisions so that number of universes become meaningless.
The second scan says that the bracelets are buttressed (meaning reinforced) by her “Amazon muscle”, so it’s not just the Bracelets of Submission doing the work.She deflect it via her Bracelets of Submission, which for what i know they have been consistently able to withstand attacks from characters leagues above WW (like Cap's shield), so at most that feat would scale to just the Bracelets and not WW herself
I really don’t see how that‘s a good idea. The premise of the thread covers the majority of DC characters, splitting it into multiple tiny threads with smaller groups of characters would just extend this unnecessarily.I don't see how this resolves the issue of jumping from different character sets in the same thread.
Would it be possible to have a single thread focused on a particular set?
Lantern Corps Thread
Superman Family Thread
Etc?
Perhaps to a degree WW's strength also contribute to the feat, but i still think that Bracelets did most of the job.The second scan says that the bracelets are buttressed (meaning reinforced) by her “Amazon muscle”, so it’s not just the Bracelets of Submission doing the work.
You might think that, but that’s not what the text actually says. It says her muscle reinforced the bracelets, so her durability should scale.Perhaps to a degree WW's strength also contribute to the feat, but i still think that Bracelets did most of the job.
WW's Bracelets in the Post Crisis were crafted by Hephaestus from the remains of Zeus's Aegis, we talking about really powerful stuff.
What he said he lied about dosen't seem to be the statement about having power of a thousand galaxies but something else based on the scan XXKINGXX69 brought.Like XXKINGXX69 say Reactron's statetement has been retcon in a later story.
Both statement occur in the same storyline, the recton was meant to be apply to him having the consciousness in the opposite side of the universe, which also include him having the power of thousands of galaxy because of his condition, which was reveal to be a lie.What he said he lied about dosen't seem to be the statement about having power of a thousand galaxies but something else based on the scan XXKINGXX69 brought.
Yeah I know, why would his lie include the a thousand galaxy statement when he said he lied about his consciousness in the opposite side of the galaxy?Both statement occur in the same storyline, the recton was meant to be apply to him having the consciousness in the opposite side of the universe, which also include him having the power of thousands of galaxy because of his condition, which was reveal to be a lie.
Are not the statements correlated? His physical condition its also what give him the power of a thousand of galaxies?Yeah I know, why would his lie include the a thousand galaxy statement when he said he lied about his consciousness in the opposite side of the galaxy?
I don't think her using her superhuman strength it what made those bracelets able to withstand that attack.You might think that, but that’s not what the text actually says. It says her muscle reinforced the bracelets, so her durability should scale.
That's never stated anywhere for Cap though. Unless you can provide examples.That like saying Captain America's shield can tank herald level attacks thanks of Steve's reinforced it with his physical strength, that doesn't make much sense to me.
AlrightYour input would be appreciated here.
The feat is useable I guessFlodo encompasses and destroys an evil Galaxy(Green Lantern Corps Vol. 1 #219, December 1987)
Over an unknown period of time. This is just 4-C without a timeframe since he's immortal and MFTL+.
- Starbreaker has laid waste to Galactic Clusters (Adam Strange Vol. 2 #7, May 2005)
This entire issue is known for its hyper-flowery language with stuff. The attack that could have brought down galaxies? It was a bunch of swords and energy fire that didn't even make explosions larger than Supergirl.Supergirl survived a barrage that could've brought down Galaxies (Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow Vol. 1 #7, March 2022)
As already mentioned the statement was retconedlater tanks a stray blast from his fight with Superman. Reactron is stated to have the power of a thousand galaxies in his hands. (Supergirl Vol. 5 #26, April 2008)
His line is thisSeems he lied about something else and not the statement of having power of a thousand galaxies.
Which he then said laterMy consciousness is floating in space a million light-years from here. I have the power of a thousand galaxies in my hands. I can take a star and blow it up in your face.
Everything in his original line cannot be taken as factual. He admitted he was outright lying to her the entire time.I lied to you the first time we met, Supergirl. That "starsuit" I was wearing? It didn't project my consciousness into another part of the galaxy or any of that bull. Guess I thought I was being funny.
Useable I guessCharacters with Infinite Man's power had Infinite Power (Legionnaires Vol. 1 #18, September, 1994), as was stated many times(Valor Vol. 1 #23, September 1994)
Hourman's power comes from a Chrono-Staff more so than him. It's why he was nerfed to a power hour later on because he wouldn't use the staff's power.Hourman has Infinite Power(Secret Origins of Super-Villains 80-Page Giant, December 1999)
While true, remember that the Tesseract was able to just be on Earth/ground without ever damaging it. The fact that a finite space object can hold an infinite space should also be taken into account because that doesn't make logical sense. I don't think its useable as a justificationSuperman and Steel move a tesseract(Superman: The Man of Steel Vol. 1 #100, May 2000)
Child Brainiac gained the power of an infinite space Tesseract and Superman and Ultraman are capable of taking attacks from him. (Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #605, August 2002)https://imgur.com/a/WnU7GGY
Both of these can be used I guessSuperman shakes the Phantom Zone with one punch(Superman (2018) (Rebirth) #6, February 2019)
These look fine but I'm not the biggest GL personGreen Lantern - High 3A
This was her bracers withstanding the energy, not here.Wonder Woman withstands and deflects a fireball with infinite power. (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #21, October 1988)
This is fine if High 3-A lightspeed punches are acceptedWonder Woman has survived lightspeed attacks from Zoom (Wonder Woman Vol. 2 #214, May 2005), with lightspeed in DC being Infinite Mass (JLA Vol. 1. #3, March 1997)
The ratings are fine, but remember that they're in the 4th world in their true form. Such a scale is meaningless for cross-scaling.New Gods
It's not just them fighting. Right before it features various Gods fighting and right after it features more heroes fighting.Shazam and Lobo's fight rock the cosmos. (Captain Atom #57, September 1991)
The did nothing. Why? Because its directly shown they weren't enough and Spectre had to do all the work.Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and the Ray contribute to the energy of a Big Bang. (Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, September 1994)
This works I guessInfinite-Man's power can sculpt space-time, could destroy the Universe, including the timestream (Legionnaires Vol. 1 #18, September 1994), and has the energies of space and time (Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 1 #233, November 1977)
While true, remember that Aztek is, as you yourself mentioned related to the God of light and his power comes from light. Even if the feat is Low 2-C, its from a source that just amps Superman (which as a note, is what he was trying to do so Superman could destroy the fight space Octopus).Superman survives Aztek's self destruction of 4th Dimensional energy(JLA Vol. 1 #41, May 2000)
This feat is High 3-A afaik, since as shown by Flash's race with Death and Superman's final encounter with B13, time continues to exist before and after the Big Bang.Superman survives the collapse of the universe. (Superman: Where Is Thy Sting, 2001)
The Ageis channels cosmic energy which can be used for other stuff. It's how they moved Imperiex from the current year back to the Big Bang.Superman fights and takes hits from the Entropy Aegis while explicitly stated to be holding back. (Superman: The Man of Steel #134, March 2003). The Entropy Aegis is stated to be the power to remake and destroy the universe. (Superman Versus Darkseid: Apokolips Now, March 2003)
Nebula Man is confirmed to be an infant universe. One that exists in real space and can by visited by just shrinking down. This wouldn't be a Low 2-C feat, it's far to small and exists within the same timeline as the larger main-universe.Nebula Man is confirmed to be a universe. (Seven Soldiers: Frankenstein #4, May 2006)
While true, I should also mention they were fighting on a planet and said planet wasn't destroyed from this clash. While it might be Tier 2 I think its a pretty bad Tier 2 feat.Superman's clash with his Golden Age counterpart shattered the boundaries of Space-Time and changed timelines (Superman Vol. 2 #226, April 2006, Action Comics Vol. 1 #836, April 2006, Adventures of Superman Vol. 1 #649, April 2006)
Fine. Though anything Big Bang related is High 3-A rather than Tier 2 because time existed before the Big Bang.Green Lantern - Tier 2
Fine I guess. We already accept Flash at maxing out on this levelFlash - Tier 2
Circe is weird but they've fought enough that I generally get the scalingWonder Woman - Tier 2
This is fine, but still in their higher dimensional bodies that no one would scale to.New Gods - Tier 2
The Red King stuff still isn't useful in my view, but the Auteur.io looks alright, albeit a bit weird.Superman - 2-C
Starbreaker needed to feed during this arc, so he wasn't at max. The second scan also isn't true, they were fighting a hologram at the time as the page right after that one says. When they fought the real Starbreaker they couldn't damage him without either Zatanna or by causing him to eat his own energiesSuperman and Hal Jordan have fought Starbreaker's pull (Justice League of America Vol. 2 #29, March 2009), and Icon and John Stewart have staggered Starbreaker (Justice League of America Vol. 2 #34, August 2009)
I'm not sure he harmed Mordru, but he didn't die from an attack. But Mordru also didn't look like he was trying to kill Superman eitherSuperman tanks a blast from Mordru and harms him. (Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4, June 2009)
Superman vs Time Traper
This is fine I guessSuperman punches out Barbatos (Dark Nights: Death Metal Trinity Crisis, November 2020)
While both are fine, Captain Atom is pretty unreliable strength wise and various a lot.Hal Jordan / Captain Atom
He contributed nothing. Spectre is the one that ttriggersthe event. Later comics getting stuff wrong about the original like with Ms Marvel destroying a planet isn't anything new.If Superman was brought to contribute, he must at least be 1% responsible, making this a Universal+ feat.
Scaling Superman above Kyle is fine, but this still wouldn't be Low 2-C afaikEven if Supes didn't scale to it, Kyle Rayner (who he scales above, as he took out many Imperiex Probes [Adventures of Superman #594] that could take out Kyle [JLA: Our Worlds at War]) survives it, as he was blasted by it and was still conscious.
Big Bangs are Tier 3 if time existed independently from the Big Bang and Tier 2 if time is dependent on the Big Bang. A Big Bang that creates a timeline will be Low 2-C, one that creates matter will be 3-A to High 3-A if the universe it made is comparable to the IRL one.Wow, I thought it was 3-A.
Except, again, that’s not what the text actually says. The text says that the bracelets were reinforced by her muscle, period.I don't think her using her superhuman strength it what made those bracelets able to withstand that attack.
That like saying Captain America's shield can tank herald level attacks thanks of Steve's reinforced it with his physical strength, that doesn't make much sense to me.
Looks if i must be generous, i can see her downscale to that attack since she did physical reflect it, but i'm still on the opinion that most of the feat can be attribute to her magical bracelets.
No, it literally didn’t lmao. It destroyed MOUNT Olympus, as in the mountain, not the realm of Olympus itself. And it didn’t destroy the gods, I have no earthly idea where you got that from. And Diana wasn’t “badly stunned”, she got up literally three panels later.Especially since that its the same attack that supposidely destroyed Olympus along with all its gods (including Zeus who its vastly stronger than WW) and she was badly stunned by it.
The did nothing. Why? Because its directly shown they weren't enough and Spectre had to do all the work.
Nebula Man is confirmed to be an infant universe. One that exists in real space and can by visited by just shrinking down. This wouldn't be a Low 2-C feat, it's far to small and exists within the same timeline as the larger main-universe.
Did you read the OP’s notes about these feats? Because it has detailed reasons why they should be valid.He contributed nothing. Spectre is the one that ttriggersthe event. Later comics getting stuff wrong about the original like with Ms Marvel destroying a planet isn't anything new.
I detailed why they're still not valid. Them not being valid does not mean other Tier 3 or 2 are invalid though.Because it has detailed reasons why they should be valid.
Yes my bad, i thought the gods also died by the explosion.No, it literally didn’t lmao. It destroyed MOUNT Olympus, as in the mountain, not the realm of Olympus itself. And it didn’t destroy the gods, I have no earthly idea where you got that from. And Diana wasn’t “badly stunned”, she got up literally three panels later.
Your reasoning is exactly what the points in the OP are debunking though-I detailed why they're still not valid. Them not being valid does not mean other Tier 3 or 2 are invalid though.
Are you suggesting we do a At peak thing?Generally speaking, I guess if we're doing high ends of characters and we've relaxed scaling like in Marvel, I don't see why a "Low 2-C/2-C, possibly 2-A" rating wouldn't work for some people.
To explain further then, the tell Damage that they need a blast but need it controlled. So when he reaches the correct level of energy he has to focus it correctly. The only time when he gains enough energy to do this is after Spectre pumps power into him and he explicitly notes its a big burst and only after Spectre does he actually get enough energy to explode.exactly what the points in the OP are debunking though-
Yeah. Characters like Superman have such extreme mental limitations on violence that I don't think you can argue that he's consistently throwing Tier 2 punches on most of his enemies.Are you suggesting we do a At peak thing?
I mean we already do that on his profile.Yeah. Characters like Superman have such extreme mental limitations on violence that I don't think you can argue that he's consistently throwing Tier 2 punches on most of his enemies.
Yeah, what I'm saying is that we don't remove those ratings. They need to be kept.I mean we already do that on his profile.
We're not removing them, just replacing the 4-B with 2-C.Yeah, what I'm saying is that we don't remove those ratings. They need to be kept.
Lets not go to far there. Over something like 12,000 comics these under 20 or 30 of these? I guess its more consistent that the 4-B stuff but they also weren't consistent eitherfairly consistent
Just use JLA/Avengers as properly scaling.Only problem now would be to incur Antvasima and Eficiente's wrath.