DC Animated Movies Universe Discussion Thread 3

[Hellbeast]

Hmm it’s possible

That whirlpool feat could be solid tho

 

[RanaProGamer]

Well @GyroNutz , any rebuttals? Or should we go with the downgrade?

 

[GyroNutz]

I actually typed up a long rebuttal to almost everything there last night, but I lost it when I was close to being done. I'll try again tonight, but for now it'd be good if someone put the flash whirlpool feat up on the calc request thread.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Oh shit, that's gotta suck. I'll put Flash's whirlpool feat up for request.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Also want to make sure, this is the feat for Flash right?

 

[Hellbeast]

Yep that's the whirlpool

 

[RanaProGamer]

@GyroNutz you got your debunks ready?

 

[Hellbeast]

So what does everyone think of my proposal

 

[RanaProGamer]

Until Gyro presents valuable arguments, I agree with your proposals.

 

[Hellbeast]

@Qawsedf234 @DarkDragonMedeus
What do you think of my proposal?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'll wait for Gyro, I've mostly been lost here due to trying to keep up with dozens of threads all at once.

 

[Antvasima]

So has Gyro's scaling suggestion been accepted to be applied?

 

[Hellbeast]

No because I wrote a response but he hasn't countered yet

 

[RanaProGamer]

I actually typed up a long rebuttal to almost everything there last night, but I lost it when I was close to being done. I'll try again tonight, but for now it'd be good if someone put the flash whirlpool feat up on the calc request thread.

Basically this. We got to wait a bit.

 

[Hellbeast]

If you want I can suggest some feats for the calc thread?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Sure, the more the merrier

 

[Antvasima]

@GyroNutz

Do you have the time to respond here now?

 

[Hellbeast]

1) Cyborg seemingly makes a crater here

 

[JohnConquest1]

I find it difficult to even remotely compare someone like Hal or Shazaam to Darkseid at all by the time of Apokolips War. Put it this way, he treated Soloing the GLC in that movie like another Sunday stroll. Should also consider that its just as possible that Darkseid got stronger between War and Apokolips.

Minor thing to also bring up but where should the Paradooms go?

 

[Hellbeast]

It's possible but I personally doubt it. There's no real implication Darkseid grew in power himself and Supes performed about as well against him as he did in War

As for the Paradooms I'd say they should be pretty easily the same tier the Flash and co tiers are (At the very least they get a Likely)

We see them easily tear apart the likes of Superboy, Hawkman, Mera and Hal so they scale to them but I'd say they should be below the top tiers.

Speaking of Swamp Thing he should be downgraded. The Tier he has implies he's comparable to the entire Green which is whack. We do get a feat for him iin Apokalips War when he tears apart a Reaper with his vines

 

[RanaProGamer]

With Doomsday's Reactive Evolution, I think we can say that the Paradooms vary in power. Like the quicker, they can be taken out, the better. They only seem to get stronger as the fights drag on.

 

[Hellbeast]

Does DCAMU DD even have Reactive tho?

 

[RanaProGamer]

He does, like how he was gradually growing stronger, or he adapted to Flash's speed, got Heat Vision while fighting Superman, and even grew his bones much bigger.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

What's wrong with Flash's 8-A calc?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Basically a change in the KE calcs.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

What change exactly?

 

[Hellbeast]

Not using them

KE has been heavily revised now so it's inapplicable for rating

@Rana Since Gyro isn't responding could we get some staff to tell us whether we can ove on

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @DarkDragonMedeus @Ionliosite @GyroNutz

What do you think that we should do here?

 

[RanaProGamer]

After the changes, I want to make the remaining profiles for the Suicide Squad and the Supermen. When can I make them?

 

[Hellbeast]

After revisions

Speaking of the Supermen, they had some good feats you could probably use to scale the JL

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Not using them

KE has been heavily revised now so it's inapplicable for rating

@Rana Since Gyro isn't responding could we get some staff to tell us whether we can ove on

So, no more Infinite Mass Punch?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Speaking of the Supermen, they had some good feats you could probably use to scale the JL

They don't look too impressive, there's just a missile pushing feat and the Supermen nearly destroying Lex Corp which is a Skyscraper

So, no more Infinite Mass Punch?

Not sure about that honestly.

 

[Hellbeast]

Still they make some big craters in Death which could help out considerably

 

[RanaProGamer]

I think so

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It's been a while since Gyro commented, but I'd like a direct and organized compare and contrast list of the Gyro Vs Hellbeast proposals.

 

[Antvasima]

That would be appreciated, yes.

 

[Hellbeast]

Here are my proposed ratings for the DCAMU cast. It's also in my sandbox.

• Top tiers like Superman, Darkseid and Doomsday stay at Low 7-C for obvious reasons, with Darkseid and Doomsday upscaling from Superman.
• Wonder Woman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and all those who scale to them (e.g. Etrigan) become Low 7-C, downscaling from Superman and possessed Weather Wizard, with the feats I listed above being put on their profiles.
• Cyborg becomes "Likely Low 7-C", as he's harmed the likes of Aquaman and Wonder Woman, but has also had his arms ripped off by the former, along with the likes of Darkseid. 8-A would also work, via downscaling, consistent with scaling above a weakened Superman's 8-B+ feat.
• Green Lantern becomes "9-A physically, Low 7-C via Green Lantern ring". Physically, Hal Jordan has been harmed by Parademons and John Stewart is even harmed by Batman in Justice League: Dark. With his ring constructs, Hal Jordan can somewhat hold his own against the likes of Superman (+ all the feats I listed above)
• Flash could downscale in a similar fashion to Cyborg would or simply be 9-A without a better feat.

Gyro's proposal ^^

Mine is just having the JL sans WW scale to their own feats while WW downscales form Low 7-C

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose Hellbeast's conclusion is fine then.

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @Ionliosite @Matthew_Schroeder

Would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[RanaProGamer]

If we are in agreement with WW getting upgraded to Low 7-C, do the rest of the JL (except the Flash since he had to take cover) scale to Darkseid's Building Level+ feat?