Dark Samus vs Leviathan

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This isn't Samus though. The fact is that Dark Samus is literally becoming part of Leviathan. Meaning if Dark Samus is not affected by Phazon, than Leviathan will not either.

 

[SomebodyData]

oof my secret is out

 

[Kaltias]

I think that Dragon is saying that Phazon hax would be about as effective as it would be against DS (aka won't really do anything).

Also worth pointing out that Leviathan isn't absorbing the Phazon itself, just data

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Doc Leviathan has Deusmo 's power who in which can erase any data (I've posted my data scans above) from existence. Data translates to mind, body, soul, energy and matter among other things.

 

[SomebodyData]

phazon hax actually killed dark samus, so im not sure if thats a legit argument.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Dragon - So it's like a person handling radioactive material by transforming it into cotton candy first, right?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And how does DS deal with its Phazon. This is seeming like a contradiction. This thing is full phazon, but got killed by Phazon. So how hasn't DS been utterly destroyed by Phazon just by existing?

 

[Theglassman12]

It got overloaded with Phazon. It's the same as when you overcharge a machine with electricity to the point that it just blows up by overloading a lot of energy into it.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Dragon - Kind of like a being made of quantum energy could be theoretically killed by a quantum energy blast, I think. Does that make sense? And did my question/example just earlier make sense?

 

[SomebodyData]

how does the leviathan not die from being a digimon yet get defeated by digimon is essentially your equivalent of what you are asking me.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I should also mention that when Leviathan absorbs Phazon, all she is doing is absorbing Data. The Phazon is turned into 1s and 0s and absorbed.

 

[Theglassman12]

Ok, and Phazon haxing it before it can roar is also a possibility as well.

 

[SomebodyData]

that doesnt really change anything, phazon has become a digital virus before

https://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Aurora_Unit

 

[Schnee_One]

No it's not

 

[SomebodyData]

@glass doubt it, dark samus would have to be really close or fire faster than a roar which is quite unlikely

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

I should also mention that when Leviathan absorbs Phazon, all she is doing is absorbing Data. The Phazon is turned into 1s and 0s and absorbed.

Ok, just wanted to make sure, which was my question earlier. Thank you! I guess all that's left to determine is if Leviathan has ever absorbed something of the nature of Phazon. You pointed out that "Data translates to mind, body, soul, energy and matter among other things," which helps greatly, but I'm still not sure if Phazon could be wholly converted since it can exist in other universes, which is why you need Phazon to kill Phazon in the games. Maybe Leviathan could get a little and use it to finish the job, or maybe Phazon's aforementioned property would thwart any attempts for conversion in the first place. Consider me inconclusive in the meantime.

EDIT: Got ninja'd by Data, I have to mull this over...

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

how does the leviathan not die from being a digimon yet get defeated by digimon is essentially your equivalent of what you are asking me.

That's a false equivalency. Each Digimon and Appmon is literally its own living being with its own powers and abilities. Not to mention Leviathan is neither a Digimon nor an Appmon.

What I am asking is how DS survives without being destroyed by Phazon by just existing. The questions are by no means similar from the view of someone who knows nothing about metroid. And you aren't explaining things very well. All I am hearing is that "Phazon will do this" or "Phazon did this".

Also, Leviathan's AI literally had to be deleted to be killed. Otherwise she would have been revived. She was defeated by beings with different powers than her.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Dragon - Kind of like a being made of quantum energy could be theoretically killed by a quantum energy blast, I think. Does that make sense?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Energy and matter is simply data to these characters. As such it can be freely absorbed.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Ye, ye, got that, but we're just tryin' to figure out if 1.) Phazon's weird cross-dimensional properties could get in the way and 2.) if Phazon being able to turn into viruses and corrupt stuff would get in the way.

 

[SomebodyData]

PED Samus counts as her own being too...

I think you may have missed out a bit of context, phazon hax overloaded dark samus when samus used it against her. sorry if i wasnt specific enough but it was already mentioned in the thread so i thought you would have known.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yes, but you said Phazon killed her. As such it tells me that the Phazon she uses killed her, not outside inference from PED Samus.

Then we get back to how the absorption works.

All Leviathan is doing is absorbing the properties and abilities of Dark Samus. Leviathan is not being hit with anymore Phazon than what DS has and controls. If what DS has has not overloaded her, Leviathan will also not be overloaded. If Leviathan absorbs all the Phazon itself, she gains the properties of Phazon itself. Phazon will literally be Leviathan and Leviathan will literally be Phazon.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also what do we do if Phazon does take over Leviathan? DS is still gone. So while Phazon corrupts Leviathan, she is still the winner here as she still defeated Dark Samus. While Leviathan is still Leviathan, but corrupted. Inconclusive?

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

yeyeye, but we're wondering if Leviathan get can absorb Phazon entirely due to its ability to exist in multiple universes and ability to corrupt data. And I'll let Data answer that last question, which is fair.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Depends on if we assume all the Phazon is right on the battlefield or not.

 

[SomebodyData]

The phazon could still overload her. Just because Dark Samus is in a state of phazon doesnt mean that suddenly absorbing everything wouldnt effect the Leviathan. Regular Metroids for example can absorb Phazon but can still get corrupted (Phazon Metroids)

The leviathan would become dark samus as shown whenever Samus is fully corrupted and turns into Dark Samus in Prime 3 if the phazon corrupts the leviathan.

 

[SomebodyData]

And this is ignoring the fact that it can still corrupt in a data state.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yes, but when absorbed, does it become one with the person's very existence? That's what I'm asking. Leviathan's absorption is not your average absorption. Said data literally becomes one with her very existence. As such the Phazon becomes one with her.

 

[Schnee_One]

So.

If Dark Samus corrupts it's a win or inconclusive?

 

[Theglassman12]

@Gargoyle moreso a win since corruption turns the victims into her.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And this is ignoring the fact that it can still corrupt in a data state.

That doesn't change the fact that said data will be apart of Leviathan's entire essence. Leviathan at this point will literally become the source of Phazon and Phazon itself.

 

[Theglassman12]

Didn't DS became one with the Aurora Unit, and was still able to corrupt it?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Did DS become one with it in Mind, Body and Soul? Did these turn into Dark Samus?

 

[SomebodyData]

ye @glass

 

[SomebodyData]

mind and bdy yes, soul is a stretch tho then again phazon has corrupted souls before. Chozo Ghost

 

[Schnee_One]

Seems like this depends on whether it corrupts or not.

May go with inconclusive if we can't answer

 

[SomebodyData]

im okay with inconclusive

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Though Dragon has made some great arguements that will surely help with Leviathan matches in the future, I vote for DS on this one.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This is pretty much going by if Leviathan does get corrupted or not. In which requires two verses with pretty different and conflicting mechanics on how data is used and what absorption entails being compared to each other.

This is too much of a;




Inconclusive for me as well.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So we got

1 for Dark Samus

2, 3 or 4 for Inconclusive.