Dante vs Kratos Ad Infinitum

[Aetheric Pariah]

Now that both characters aren't undergoing massive revisions nonstop, let's see how this pans out

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Dante (DMC 5):

Kratos (Power of Hope):

I love popcorn:

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, Dante can't interact with Kratos Idk if Kratos can kill Dante

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So, Dante can't interact with Kratos Idk if Kratos can kill Dante

Concept manipulation type 1 would likely do the trick plus he has resistance negation too.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Idk what his con concept hax does and resistance negation is a broad term, what does he negate exactly?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Idk what his con concept hax does and resistance negation is a broad term, what does he negate exactly?

Negates resistance to conceptual manipulation (yeah it's as ridiculous as it sounds) and Kratos (judging by the profile) can conceptually banish you from reality using hope as a weapon.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Dante has low godly I believe, and a bunch of 4D hax/resistances. Plus a whole plethora of other stuff, but I'll let more experienced and knowledgeable members on the verse handle that. I just wanted to see how this match pans out now, because I seriously have no clue.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

because I seriously have no clue.

Neither do I.

Kratos resistance negg is useless because Dante doesn't even resist that to begin with and depending how this banish thing goes then Dante would pretty much have no options left?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Kratos has AE1....Dante can't interact with him.
Stomp.

 

[JED]

So, Dante can't interact with Kratos Idk if Kratos can kill Dante

Wait what new additions did Kratos get that makes Dante unable to touch him?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Wait what new additions did Kratos get that makes Dante unable to touch him?

Abstract existence type 1

@GilverTheProtoAngelo but can Kratos kill Dante tho

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

@GilverTheProtoAngelo but can Kratos kill Dante tho

You act as if I am an expert in Conceptual stuff.....I only recently got into this area od vs debating.

But honestly, I guess he'd end up destroying Dante's name....

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Dante has low godly I believe, and a bunch of 4D hax/resistances. Plus a whole plethora of other stuff, but I'll let more experienced and knowledgeable members on the verse handle that. I just wanted to see how this match pans out now, because I seriously have no clue.

Dude... it's already been established that Dante can't do anything to PoH Kratos (AE type 1 goes brrr) and low godly/4D stuff isn't saving you from someone whose essentially impervious to everything you can do while also having (more or less) the same abilities as you while also having type 1 conceptual BS.

Yeah I think this a stomp tbh, even without the conceptual nonsense the battle would go like this: Dante literally can't do anything while Kratos goes through all his hax until he finds one that Dante doesn't resist (how's that fair?).

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Not to mention depending on what Kratos is scaled to....he is either 2,5 or 9 space-times in 2C tier.

If Kratos is scaled to 5 or 9.

Dante gets power nulled hard. Resistances be damned.

No power, no nothing. Dante is human and he dies.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

If Kratos is scaled to 5 or 9. Dante gets power nulled hard

Dats not how power null works

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Dats not how power null works

I used to think too...
Untill someone showed me, Power Null page.
And I had to debate Kratos against other people powerful then him. And people disagreeing with his power null working against them even though they had no resistance.

Power null resistances at lower lvls of power get countered hard by power null at higher lvls.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

One win-con hax Kratos has (that isn't concept based) is his soul deconstruction which can bypass Dante's low-godly (since iirc you need mid-godly to regen from soul destruction and I think? Dante doesn't resist that particular version of soul hax).

Also having a larger cosmology can benefit some your haxes over your opponent depending on the character (BFR, mind/soul hax, range, etc) but I've never heard of it affecting power null potency.

Either way despite being thematic AF, this is (currently) a mismatch of quite literal godly proportions.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Dude... it's already been established that Dante can't do anything to PoH Kratos (AE type 1 goes brrr) and low godly/4D stuff isn't saving you from someone whose essentially impervious to everything you can do while also having (more or less) the same abilities as you while also having type 1 conceptual BS.

Yeah I think this a stomp tbh, even without the conceptual nonsense the battle would go like this: Dante literally can't do anything while Kratos goes through all his hax until he finds one that Dante doesn't resist (how's that fair?).

Yeah, but this thread boils down to Dante having higher dimensional hax vs Kratos having Conceptual Hax. If higher dimensional hax>Conceptual hax, you could argue Dante's fear manipulation is on another level than that of Zeus', and he can incap him many ways at that point. There probably points in this match where you can argue NLF though, because dante could power sense kratos and realize how much of a monster he is, seal him (kratos can be sealed, PoH was sealed) and be done with it.

Anyway, i'm not arguing for either side here. I just made it to see how the fight plays out now as I said.

 

[ATalentedMaid]

seal him (kratos can be sealed, PoH was sealed) and be done with it.

Then the question is, does Dante capable seal a literally conceptual being?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Dante doesn't resist that particular version of soul hax

He pretty much resist that, he resist everything Kratos has with the sole exception being concept hax

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Then the question is, does Dante capable seal a literally conceptual being?

Nope.

I just want to know if Kratos can kill Dante :v

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Guys Dante isn't affecting Kratos period, again it's a mismatch and considering Kratos' profile states he can use the concept of hope as a weapon it's pretty obvious Dante isn't going to recover from conceptual attacks.

 

[Huzy]

Does the speed difference not matter much in this fight?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Lmao

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Does the speed difference not matter much in this fight?

It does but since it gets equalized all the time we forget about it :v

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

No, that's just my dumbass forgetting to equalize it.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Guys Dante isn't affecting Kratos period, again it's a mismatch and considering Kratos' profile states he can use the concept of hope as a weapon it's pretty obvious Dante isn't going to recover from conceptual attacks.

But what kind of attacks tho? Is he using hope as some pair of fists to punch him? Or as a sword to cut him? If it does how is it gonna kill him? Or is he gonna attack his concept directly?


That's what I'm trying to ask >_>

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But what kind of attacks tho? Is he using hope as some pair of fists to punch him? Or as a sword to cut him?

Yes....he channels Hope through his attacks.....as crazy as that sounds. :v

If it does how is it gonna kill him? Or is he gonna attack his concept directly?

I mean its like Soul Manipulation via physical attacks......only in this instance its Concept.
So most likely yeah

 

[Huzy]

If I'm not wrong, it gets imbued into all of his attacks.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, uhh, it destroys his concept with every punch or....?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Well he banished Fear out of Zeus....but Fear is Type 1 concept.

So in this case Dante loses his name(type 2)....somehow.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Well he banished Fear out of Zeus....but Fear is Type 1 concept.

So in this case Dante loses his name....somehow.

Which does what exactly? (Is it like Paper Mario? when he had his name stolen and became an empty shell).

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Which does what exactly? (Is it like Paper Mario? when he had his name stolen and became an empty shell).

Yeah, no name no power.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I think he is mixing both verses mechanics here?

In dmc names are everything, from power to existence and probably even more. What I don't understand is why his name is getting yeeted? Wouldn't be the whole Dante concept the one being yeeted?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Wouldn't be the whole Dante concept the one being yeeted?

I don't understand......aren't both same?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I don't understand......aren't both same?

If you yeet his name he can take something like Tony again, if you yeet the whole concept of the existence known as Dante nothing would be left, at least that's how I think it works?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So either Dante gets conceptually power nulled then killed or just gets conceptually killed instantly?

So we've gone full circle and it's still a mismatch stomp... :/

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

If you yeet his name he can take something like Tony again, if you yeet the whole concept of the existence known as Dante nothing would be left, at least that's how I think it works?

Well, in that case...its second one.

He gets Thanatos'ed

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No one ever said this was fair

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

So concept hax>Higher Dimensional hax? Cause dante's hax is passive

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Only fear hax is passive , which gets negged by Type 1 Conceptual Fear resistance.

And AE1.