Hey guys. I'm new here so I apologize if I sound fishy but there are some points I want to make about Dante, Mundus, Argosax and Sparda.
First thing I want to point out is DMC1's opening cutsene suggests that Sparda fought against both Mundus(while he was still a demon king --this will be important later on) and his demon army single-handedly and defeated them all. So whatever power level Mundus may possess, Sparda should be considered at least equal to Mundus, if not more powerful.
Secondly, when Dante fought Mundus in DMC1, he was not in his most well state, I'm not saying that he should be upgraded to something absurd like Universal -I was reading the previous discussion while the rule about Mundus was made- but hear me out; there are two important points to consider;
1) Mundus was not the Demon King he once was. He was sealed by Sparda for 2000 years and he was just regaining his powers when Dante visited Mallet Island. The demons who lived there worshipped him as a higher power and worked for him, sure; but think about it. There was a war between two worlds, meaning the whole mankind was fighting against demon forces; however as both DMC3 and manga suggests, Mundus wasn't even influential to most of the demon population and didn't even appear until Vergil was all alone in the depths of the Demon World.
What I'm trying to say is, basically we can't accept DMC1 Mundus's abilities as a true demonstration of his powers, but rather a fraction of it, and we have no real way to calculate his true power level. I'm suggesting that Mundus should remain as Unknown. Saying anything about his power level until further information would be doing injustice.
Based on every information we have, powerscaling him from Dante and saying At least 6-B makes sense; but it's just a way of saying "We don't know how powerful he is but we know powerless he isn't." which isn't saying much honestly. And based on the information we have, that applies for Sparda and Argosax as well for the same reasons. I will come back to this later.
I mean just think about the way Dante seals Mundus. He borrows powers from Trish, which is Mundus's own creation, and even in his weakened state, Mundus implies he can create infinite number of Trishs. Getting beaten by something you created buy just a fraction of your power doesn't make sense, even if it's your utmost weakened state.
2) In DMC1, Dante wasn't, or at least shouldn't be as powerful as Sparda either, even with Sparda sword. Remember how Arkham turned into a giant blob and Sanctus get devastated by Nero? Of course, it's because they don't have enough "humanity" in them according to the DMC lore; but Dante being a human and Sparda's son doesn't make him as strong as Sparda immediately and we shouldn't assume it.
Remember how the Devil Arm you pick affects Dante's (and Vergil's) DT state in DMC3? That happens because Dante isn't strong enough to keep a true demon form himself and his Devil Arms influence him. That happens in DMC1 too. I agree on the notion that Sparda sword gives him a huge boost, but not enough to defeat entire demon armies and a Demon King all by himself and it simply has to do with Dante's ability to control his own power. In DMC1, he's not there yet.
And yeah there's the "It's implied that Dante surpassed Sparda." argument; but Berial implied the same for Nero, saying "You are just like he was." which is nonsense since he's nowhere near Sparda's power or even Dante's.
My last point is about Argosax since we have a little more information about him than Mundus. According to Argosax's DMC2 Enemy File he is a Demon King, just like Mundus and he was able to subdue all the demons himself. He was also defeated by Sparda, pretty similar to Mundus's case.
Now; Argosax was just unsealed when he fought with Dante. So at that state he should be pretty powerless from what he once was while he was fighting against Sparda, just like Mundus in his DMC1 state. But the difference here is how Dante grown since DMC1's events. Dante who once barely defeated Mundus with borrowed power from his father's sword now kills an nearly --if not equally-- as powerful being with a single gunshot. We are talking about a being that can distort an island just by being near it. It shows both how powerful he is and that he cannot even control/focus his powers clearly. One can even speculate that he's unable to control himself; but I think it's agreeable that against this being, no one in DMC universe except the godtier beings like Sparda, Dante and Mundus could stand a chance.
Now, in DMC4 and DMC2, unlike the other two games, Dante can actually maintain a True DT state. The Devil Arms he possesses doesn't influence/change his Demon Form. Which means he has better, if not total control on his powers.
This is why imo DMC3, DMC1 and DMC4,2 Dante should be treated as separate entities. Anime Dante was also able to one-shot a being he would have more trouble to beat in his earlier incarnations; but unlike DMC4 Dante, which constantly one-shots powerful demons, he used his DT to do so.
What I mean here is that Anime Dante is the last Dante we see defeating a being using his DT, which means he plays serious. If we are going to state that Dante has Planet Level powers, it should just be his 4 and 2 incarnations. Therefore we need a separation.
Moving forward from my conclusions, I suggest that;
- Mundus, Sparda and Argosax should stay as "
Unknow" or should be edited as "
Unknow, at least
6-B, likely
5-B, possibly higher".
- Dante's tiers should be separated as
DMC3 | DMC1 | DMC TAS | DMC4,2 and only DMC4,2 Dante should have the Planet Level tier. DMC1 Dante with Sparda sword should be at equal footing with Anime Dante so I don't think there shouldn't be an addition to him. A parenthesis note like "(6-B with the sword Sparda)" should do the trick, if necessary. This also brings a need to calculate his DMC1 state's power level.
Sorry if this was a long post or if I violated any rule unwillingly. I just thought those points are worth discussing.
Edit: I accidentally posted here. I meant to post it to
this one. Should I repost?
