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Dandadan 100Km/hr Speedcap "Removal"

GlobiYesHim

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Introduction

I have been told to create this thread in order to discuss something that has been bugging me recently about the notorious 100Km/hr Speedcap mentioned many times by the Turbo Granny (Chapter 3, 7, 94 and the extra page of Volume 1).
I believe that the cap mentioned by the Turbo Granny ONLY applies to Turbo Granny the YOKAI, and it doesn't limit Okarun to only a 100Km/hr speed. This would explain how a multitude of feats have been found that exceed the speed cap even by some large margin. I'll link this other thread I found that listed some of them, though bear in mind that many have been discarded precisely because of the speed cap.

Reasoning

In Chapter 211, Count Saint-Germain points out that Red Baron was able to "level up" the Lord of the Flies ability that Koki Yukishiro was given thanks to her "exceptional gift" (I presume her natural ability to perceive Pygmies after becoming spirit aware). By itself, this means that humans are able to use yokai powers even BETTER than the yokai themselves.
This is supported by the fact that Evil Eye was looking for a human vessel. Some would say that he became stronger only because Jiji is naturally talented and has high spiritual power, however we know from Turbo Granny in chapter 50 that if Evil Eye tried to take over a normal human with low spiritual power, then their cells would break down and they would die. Jiji is just a container large enough to fit the Evil Eye's power, not a booster of the yokai's capabilities.
Why would yokai need human vessels? They can already interact with the physical world. The logical solution would just be to get stronger (as the Evil Eye exclaims that thanks to Jiji he's going to kill all humans). Turbo Granny herself says that she too would have picked Jiji as a vessel. But since Okarun is able to use her power just fine without dying, that means she would have picked Jiji just so she could get even stronger compared to Okarun.

This means that Okarun has higher potential than the Turbo Granny, as we also see him going all out thrice in a row and his form changing drastically (which could be considered an upgrade in the likes of the one done by Koki). In the end, he shouldn't be limited by her cap because humans are able to achieve the yokai powers' full potential. It would also explain why Count Saint-Germain is using a humanoid or an homunculus to craft the "ultimate yokai", since a human would be needed to unlock its full power.

I'm not stating that all the humans in the story can be largely faster than 100km/h. I'm saying that there's no cap because it's only limited to Turbo Granny the yokai. Some humans could be faster, others could be slower.

Proposal

Limit the 100km/hr speedcap only to Turbo Granny and let's do recalculations on all the speed feats so far to determine what would be the fastest human speed without it. Then we look if there are outliers or if this theory doesn't hold itself up.

Scans

Chapter 211, Koki upgrades the Lord of the Flies
Chapter 3, Seiko says that Turbo Granny was known as the 100km/hr granny
Chapter 50, Turbo Granny states that Evil Eye needs a human vessel with high spiritual power otherwise they die
Chapter 211, a humanoid vessel is used to create the Ultimate Yokai
Chapter 41, Turbo Granny admits that she too would have liked to possess Jiji to get stronger
 
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Second22 said:
So are you basically saying that Turbo Granny, the fastest yokai, is actually one of the slowest beings in the series? If that’s really the case, who can move faster than Turbo Granny? Can you give some examples?
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Wasn't Okarun basically moving at SOL in the electric lines? He even questioned how 100km/h was considered fast when he was doing this feat
 
It is never outright confirmed that Turbo Granny is the fastest yokai in the series, even the Evil Eye could have been able to keep up with her (as stated).

Humans simply have the potential to wield powers better than yokai. It doesn't matter who Turbo Granny fights against as Humans are not "bound" by the yokai powers since they can be leveled up. That's why I have made this thread.

Okarun and Zuma atleast.
 
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Okarun can’t even use her power to its full potential. So what do you think actually allows him to surpass Turbo Granny? Her stated ability is being able to run at 100 km/h no matter the terrain.

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How does it make sense that Okarun, who only received her power, can somehow use it better, when he hasn’t even mastered that power completely? And in the end, Turbo Granny herself was still referenced during the scene where he was moving along the power lines on the utility poles, and that speed at the time was Okarun’s speed.

I’m not some “100 km/h cultist” or anything, but I think downplaying Turbo Granny just to break the 100 km/h rule isn’t the right way to approach it
 
Second22 said:
Okarun can’t even use her power to its full potential. So what do you think actually allows him to surpass Turbo Granny? Her stated ability is being able to run at 100 km/h no matter the terrain.

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How does it make sense that Okarun, who only received her power, can somehow use it better, when he hasn’t even mastered that power completely? And in the end, Turbo Granny herself was still referenced during the scene where he was moving along the power lines on the utility poles, and that speed at the time was Okarun’s speed.

I’m not some “100 km/h cultist” or anything, but I think downplaying Turbo Granny just to break the 100 km/h rule isn’t the right way to approach it
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As I have already said, the rules of Turbo Granny don't really count as we saw the Evil Eye looking for a human vessel to get stronger and then Kouki upgrading the Lord of the Flies ability. Both point in the direction that humans can use yokai powers better than yokai, that's all there is to it. The Ultimate Yokai is being contained in a humanoid too.

I am not downplaying Turbo Granny, i'm simply saying that HUMANS can be faster than her (although the Evil Eye could apparently keep up with her).
Feats > Statements. The massive speed of Okarun vs Brella Boy is explained by the fact that humans wield powers better than yokai.
 
GlobiYesHim said:
As I have already said, the rules of Turbo Granny don't really count as we saw the Evil Eye looking for a human vessel to get stronger and then Kouki upgrading the Lord of the Flies ability. Both point in the direction that humans can use yokai powers better than yokai, that's all there is to it. The Ultimate Yokai is being contained in a humanoid too.
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That’s not related. You need to be specific about Turbo Granny, is there any clear context or statement that Okarun can use the power better than Turbo Granny? Obviously not. He can’t even use it at full capacity. Bringing up other characters doesn’t mean Okarun automatically scales to them. In the end, Okarun’s speed is still only stated to be 100 km/h, straight from Turbo Granny herself.
GlobiYesHim said:
I am not downplaying Turbo Granny, i'm simply saying that HUMANS can be faster than her (although the Evil Eye could apparently keep up with her).
Feats > Statements. The massive speed of Okarun vs Brella Boy is explained by the fact that humans wield powers better than yokai.
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It’s ‘can be,’ not ‘is.’ You can’t just say he can. You have to explain how Okarun is actually faster than Turbo Granny
 
Second22 said:
That’s not related. You need to be specific about Turbo Granny, is there any clear context or statement that Okarun can use the power better than Turbo Granny? Obviously not. He can’t even use it at full capacity. Bringing up other characters doesn’t mean Okarun automatically scales to them. In the end, Okarun’s speed is still only stated to be 100 km/h, straight from Turbo Granny herself.

It’s ‘can be,’ not ‘is.’ You can’t just say he can. You have to explain how Okarun is actually faster than Turbo Granny
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He is faster than Turbo Granny 100km/h speed because of the feats we see during the Kur Invasion and the fight against Brella Boy.

Again, yokais look for human vessels because humans can naturally wield yokai powers better. Even if they are inexperienced, they can still significantly increase the output. Koki's leveled up Lord of the Flies covered the entirety of Kamigoe City. And we haven't had any confirmation that Okarun leveled up Turbo Granny's power too, but he did understand combat rythm in the Evil Eye Arc and he then broke his "limiter" by going all out three times in a row.
It is not a turbo granny downscale in any way. You have just assumed that Turbo Granny is the fastest character in the verse, which is not the truth. At best, she's the fastest of the Yokai, but she admitted that even Evil Eye could keep up with her so it's unclear (she's very prideful, i wouldn't trust her vision of being the fastest). It is simply an explanation of the feats we see by the logic that humans are doing them and not yokai.
 
Wasn't there a discussion in an earlier thread about having a "Superhuman, possibly _______" rating for the Dandadan characters' speed so we don't have to choose between consistent feats vs consistent statements?
 
GlobiYesHim said:
He is faster than Turbo Granny 100km/h speed because of the feats we see during the Kur Invasion and the fight against Brella Boy.
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So what are you even talking about? If we’re only discussing feats, then every character would instantly scale past 100 km/h — even Turbo Granny herself. But that’s not what we’re talking about. That’s a completely different issue. Rn, we’re discussing whether there’s any clear context or statement saying Okarun isn’t bound by the 100 km/h rule. You can’t just see feats of him moving faster than 100 km/h and claim he’s faster overall when his actual statement-based limit is still below Turbo Granny’s.
GlobiYesHim said:
Again, yokais look for human vessels because humans can naturally wield yokai powers better. Even if they are inexperienced, they can still significantly increase the output. Koki's leveled up Lord of the Flies covered the entirety of Kamigoe City.
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Idc about that point, and I don’t think it affects anything at all. The discussion still comes down to scaling and whether there’s any statement that Okarun can actually surpass Turbo Granny
GlobiYesHim said:
And we haven't had any confirmation that Okarun leveled up Turbo Granny's power too, but he did understand combat rythm in the Evil Eye Arc and he then broke his "limiter" by going all out three times in a row.
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This has nothing to do with speed at all. Turbo Granny can do that all the time. Okarun’s All-Out is just him using Turbo Granny’s 100 km/h power 3 times, his base speed isn’t even 100 km/h.
GlobiYesHim said:
It is not a turbo granny downscale in any way. You have just assumed that Turbo Granny is the fastest character in the verse, which is not the truth. At best, she's the fastest of the Yokai, but she admitted that even Evil Eye could keep up with her so it's unclear (she's very prideful, i wouldn't trust her vision of being the fastest). It is simply an explanation of the feats we see by the logic that humans are doing them and not yokai.
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Exactly Yes, rn you’re saying Okarun and Zuma can go beyond 100 km/h. That’s basically downplaying Turbo Granny, because that’s not actually the case.

You brought up the Evil Eye that Turbo Granny said could keep up with her speed. I don’t think that’s relevant either. It’s obvious that the power Okarun uses from her isn’t even mastered, and he’s not even going all-out, yet he was able to stomp Evil Eye so hard that Evil Eye couldn’t counter even once. I don’t think the context of Turbo Granny’s statement means Evil Eye can keep up with 100 km/h specifically. It’s more likely that it means Evil Eye can keep up with the speed of the power as Okarun is currently using it.

Credibility depends on what’s actually shown in the story. I don’t think the fact that she’s faster than Evil Eye is a lie.

Seiko fought Turbo Granny and stated that her speed is 100 km/h, she couldn’t even track Turbo Granny’s movements. But she was clearly able to keep up with Evil Eye

Even if Okarun or Zuma go beyond 100 km/h, I still believe they wouldn’t be 10–100 time, maybe higher faster than her or other characters. Because when scaling is involved, their speeds would end up being relatively close to each other as shown in the story. Momo isn’t even as fast as Turbo Granny and couldn’t use her psychic powers to grab Turbo Granny, yet she’s still fast enough to catch other characters with her speed

What you wrote in the OP might be correct in some parts, but that’s not something you can use to claim Okarun > Turbo Granny.

I’m not disagreeing with feats > statements, but that’s a separate topic and should have its own thread for discussion. Bringing that up here doesn’t downscale Turbo Granny to just 100 km/h.
 
Second22 said:
So what are you even talking about? If we’re only discussing feats, then every character would instantly scale past 100 km/h — even Turbo Granny herself. But that’s not what we’re talking about. That’s a completely different issue. Rn, we’re discussing whether there’s any clear context or statement saying Okarun isn’t bound by the 100 km/h rule. You can’t just see feats of him moving faster than 100 km/h and claim he’s faster overall when his actual statement-based limit is still below Turbo Granny’s.
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But that's the point I'm trying to break. The statement of Turbo Granny doesn't matter because it's only related to her.
Second22 said:
This has nothing to do with speed at all. Turbo Granny can do that all the time. Okarun’s All-Out is just him using Turbo Granny’s 100 km/h power 3 times, his base speed isn’t even 100 km/h.
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Was this confirmed?
Second22 said:
You brought up the Evil Eye that Turbo Granny said could keep up with her speed. I don’t think that’s relevant either. It’s obvious that the power Okarun uses from her isn’t even mastered, and he’s not even going all-out, yet he was able to stomp Evil Eye so hard that Evil Eye couldn’t counter even once. I don’t think the context of Turbo Granny’s statement means Evil Eye can keep up with 100 km/h specifically. It’s more likely that it means Evil Eye can keep up with the speed of the power as Okarun is currently using it.
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Chapter 56. Turbo Granny states: "His speed is considerable too. He can even keep up with my power". The way she states it suggests that she's referring to herself fighting him.
Second22 said:
Seiko fought Turbo Granny and stated that her speed is 100 km/h, she couldn’t even track Turbo Granny’s movements. But she was clearly able to keep up with Evil Eye

Even if Okarun or Zuma go beyond 100 km/h, I still believe they wouldn’t be 10–100 time, maybe higher faster than her or other characters. Because when scaling is involved, their speeds would end up being relatively close to each other as shown in the story. Momo isn’t even as fast as Turbo Granny and couldn’t use her psychic powers to grab Turbo Granny, yet she’s still fast enough to catch other characters with her speed

What you wrote in the OP might be correct in some parts, but that’s not something you can use to claim Okarun > Turbo Granny.

I’m not disagreeing with feats > statements, but that’s a separate topic and should have its own thread for discussion. Bringing that up here doesn’t downscale Turbo Granny to just 100 km/h.
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Logically the characters aren't like 100000km/h fast, but this applies to any series when considering powerscaling. I doubt most FTL characters in most series can do a loop around the Earth in a fraction of a second. Using the logic that Zuma and Okarun can't be significantly faster than the other characters doesn't matter. We rely on the feats that we see on screen.

I'm connecting the fact that the Evil Eye was looking for a human vessel (alongside Turbo Granny), the fact that Koki upgraded the Lord of the Flies and that the Ultimate Yokai is being contained in a humanoid to determine humans as better wielders of powers than yokai. And because of that Okarun has the chance to move faster than 100km, which explains why we see him moving considerably faster than the speed cap Turbo Granny set. I still don't understand how this downscales Turbo Granny since her stats remain unchanged.
 
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Do you realize you’ve barely countered any of the points I made? Rn you’re just repeating the same things.
GlobiYesHim said:
But that's the point I'm trying to break. The statement of Turbo Granny doesn't matter because it's only related to her.
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But that does matter, because Okarun’s power literally comes from Turbo Granny. Her statement isn’t some unrelated self-description, it defines the source and limits of the ability he’s using. You can’t separate the user from the origin of the power when the mechanics are directly tied to her. If her speed statement establishes how that power works, then it’s absolutely relevant to Okarun unless there’s clear proof he surpassed those limits.
GlobiYesHim said:
Was this confirmed?
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This is something generally understood. The REAL question should be what evidence proves he’s above Turbo Granny — not asking what proves Okarun isn’t above her. He’s using HER power, which is clearly stated to be able to run at 100 km/h no matter the place. And he can’t even use that power to its full extent, or even maintain the full 100 km/h properly.

And in the databook, they have the same speed stat.

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And Turbo Granny is still way stronger than Okarun in other areas too, so the idea that Okarun uses her power better than she does can be ruled out entirely.

And Evil Eye doesn’t even compare to Turbo Granny in speed
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GlobiYesHim said:
Chapter 56. Turbo Granny states: "His speed is considerable too. He can even keep up with my power". The way she states it suggests that she's referring to herself fighting him.
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Keep up doesn’t mean same speed — those aren’t the same thing. Evil Eye is still much slower than Okarun based on what’s shown in the story, and the databook also places him below Turbo Granny in speed
GlobiYesHim said:
Logically the characters aren't like 10000km/h fast, but this applies to any series when considering powerscaling. I doubt most FTL characters in most series can do a loop around the Earth in a fraction of a second. Using the logic that Zuma and Okarun can't be significantly faster than the other characters doesn't matter. We rely on the feats that we see on screen.
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That argument only works when the series actually treats feats as overriding stated limits. Here, the speed is directly tied to a named ability with an explicit value (100 km/h) and a defined source. That’s not just cinematic exaggeration — that’s a mechanical stat.
GlobiYesHim said:
I'm connecting the fact that the Evil Eye was looking for a human vessel (alongside Turbo Granny), the fact that Koki upgraded the Lord of the Flies and that the Ultimate Yokai is being contained in a humanoid to determine humans as better wielders of powers than yokai. And because of that Okarun has the chance to move faster than 100km, which explains why we see him moving considerably faster than the speed cap Turbo Granny set. I still don't understand how this downscales Turbo Granny since her stats remain unchanged.
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Humans being better vessels doesn’t mean they raise the original stat of the power. Okarun using Turbo Granny’s ability more efficiently is about control, not exceeding the source’s defined speed. Since the 100 km/h value is tied to her ability and no statement says he broke that limit, the cap still applies. Otherwise you’re turning a source-based ability into a random scalable stat, which the story never establishes.

It downscales her because you’re taking the one ability that’s supposed to make her special and treating it like a basic stat everyone can just pass. That makes her defining trait feel less important
 
Second22 said:
So what matters then, Own made-up context?
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actually observed scaling chains in the story

you said yourself the charts are wildly nonsensical
Second22 said:
Ah, now that I think about it, if the chart’s actually right, the scaling’s a total mess again. So many questions pop up, like:

If the 8-B comes from Mongolian Death Worm, then anyone with lower attack power shouldn’t even be scaling to 8-B.
And then there’s the new calc that puts something at Low 7-B, which is higher than basically the whole verse’s old numbers.
Plus all the talk about multipliers—24×, 100×, 240×, all that.
If a character doesn’t scale to the Worm’s Low 7-B, what do they even scale from, 8-C?
How the heck can Okarun go toe-to-toe with Evil Eye when Evil Eye’s AP is way above even Dover Demon’s 24× form? The gap’s huge, they shouldn’t be trading blows—yet Okarun somehow does.
And why’s giant-form Vamola’s attack power so low when she’s got some of the biggest AP feats in the whole series, like she should be top-tier.
And then there’s the durability thing too—Dover Demon’s durability stat isn’t even that high, yet it tanks hits from the 100× guys, which means the others should be able to tank them too. Same with Aira—she tanked a 240× hit, so anyone with higher durability than her should be able to tank it as well, right?
I feel like we’ve got a mountain of stuff to sort out… I hate Dandadan scaling. a lot of it just doesn’t add up, so maybe we shouldn’t rely on it at all—or better yet, just drop it entirely. Either that, or separate things out and calc each feat individually, only scaling a few specific characters. There’s a whole bunch of other stuff too.
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MochOath said:
actually observed scaling chains in the story

you said yourself the charts are wildly nonsensical
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I was pointing out something that doesn’t make sense, not saying that all the information is completely wrong. Since nothing has been shown to be wrong or out of context, there’s no reason to say the charts are invalid. I even said some of it can still be used as a reference, just not in certain cases where it’s clearly illogical based on what we see in the story
 
In the end it's a way to explain how Okarun is not limited to the cap in order to demonstrate the feats that happened on the screen. Downscaling Turbo Granny was not in my plan, but if it helps explain how things can happen then so be it. We might get more information about Okarun in the future but I still think humans can wield powers better than yokai from what has been shown and hinted so far.
 
If there’s better combat speed feats, then why not just bring them up for the characters to scale? I don’t think the wiki limits characters to their running speed.
 
Burning_Full_Fingers said:
If there’s better combat speed feats, then why not just bring them up for the characters to scale? I don’t think the wiki limits characters to their running speed.
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that same running speed damn near blitzes people and its noted to be superior to their combat speed and is the majority of the speed incorporated into their combat speed so yeah
 
KingTempest said:
that same running speed damn near blitzes people and its noted to be superior to their combat speed and is the majority of the speed incorporated into their combat speed so yeah
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Well, I dunno. Wiki does say consistent feats > statements, but I don’t read Dandandan with a versus debate mind.
 
Dandadan got consistent statements so that's an issue in itself
 
I just don’t agree with breaking the 100 km/hr cap this way, and I believe there are better approaches, for example, proving feats > statements outright instead of downplaying Turbo Granny
 
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