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CW Flash Revision
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Agree!
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I've started recreate the Arrowverse page. If there is anything you want to add or edit, feel free to do so. Just let me know about the changes you have made here.
The sandbox is here.
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The sandbox is here.
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I did something like this back in 2022 but never got far or finished it, nowadays I'd definitely do things differently but yeah should probably do something like thisI've started recreate the Arrowverse page. If there is anything you want to add or edit, feel free to do so. Just let me know about the changes you have made here.
The sandbox is here.
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Arrowverse (CW) Verse page overhaul
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Sure but like why is the DCEU on there you shouldn't have a whole different verse listed on this ones page
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Because the Arrowverse is a multiverse. And this term has been used to refer to the multiverse since it first appeared. That's why I think every universe and character under the Arrowverse umbrella should be listed on this page.
Also The MCU lists other verses.
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The MCU mentions that they exist but they dont add the characters unless they specifcally appear in a film or TV show, like they don't have Tobey Maguire's Venom on the MCU page or like Spiderverse Miles because neither of them appear in the MCU even if their verses are connected. Even listing Ezra flash for his appearance doesn't work because he has no feats within the arrowverse. You wouldn't handle this the way you're doing it rn
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Marvel Cinematic Universe
For detailed information about this series, visit the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki The Marvel Cinematic Universe, or MCU, is a media franchise, and shared universe that is centered on a series of superhero films and television series independently produced by Marvel Studios, and based on...
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Tobey/Andrew Spider-man universes
Venom
Deadpool
Human Torch
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I disagree. Arrowverse has always been an umbrella term encompassing multiple universe/verse. Therefore, every verse and every character it contains should be written on the verse page. Also I quickly reviewed the wiki rules and it does not state that this cannot be done.
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this doesn't refute what I've said, you're literally proving my point ya goofMarvel Cinematic Universe
For detailed information about this series, visit the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki The Marvel Cinematic Universe, or MCU, is a media franchise, and shared universe that is centered on a series of superhero films and television series independently produced by Marvel Studios, and based on...
Tobey/Andrew Spider-man universes
Venom
Deadpool
Human Torch
We can ping other staff here if need be but we don't do this for any other verse, you can mention that those other verses exist in a encompassing cosmology but if the characters don't directly appear in the arrowverse and do anything then they shouldn't be listed
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Yes, please ping the other staffs.
There is a first time for everything.
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Yes, these verses have specific appearances across the franchise
I, however, don't think we should list ALL the characters from those verses
My understanding of "Arrowverse" is a collection of DC shows delivered on CW during a specific period of time. Starting with Arrow and ending with Stargirl (i think that was the last show to premiere on CW or S and L)
I'm seeing characters from Suicide Squad in there
Malcom Merlyn (a major character across TWO verses) doesn't even have a grid style profile there but Black Adam does
I, however, don't think we should list ALL the characters from those verses
My understanding of "Arrowverse" is a collection of DC shows delivered on CW during a specific period of time. Starting with Arrow and ending with Stargirl (i think that was the last show to premiere on CW or S and L)
I'm seeing characters from Suicide Squad in there
Malcom Merlyn (a major character across TWO verses) doesn't even have a grid style profile there but Black Adam does
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I think every character in the Arrowverse multiverse should be listed.
That's completely wrong. Constantine wasn't delivered on CW, but it's part of the Arrowverse. Supergirl was part of the Arrowverse even before it began airing on The CW. The Flash (CBS) was not delivered on CW, but it became part of the Arrowverse.
I haven't moved on to Malcom and the others yet.
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I HAVE A OFFICIAL NAME FROM OFFICIAL DC WEBSITE
You can look at this imgur link (5 images)
The Bigger Multiverse (Arrowverse + DCEU + Lucifer, Batmans etc.) named
2 times "DC Multiverse"
2 times "The Cinematic DC Multiverse"
and 1 time "DC's Live Action Multiverse"
We can call it "The Cinematic DC Multiverse" and then make a subtitle/sublink to them, like when you wrote Arrowverse or DCEU on VSBW Search section, you went to "The Cinematic DC Multiverse" page
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You can look at this imgur link (5 images)
The Bigger Multiverse (Arrowverse + DCEU + Lucifer, Batmans etc.) named
2 times "DC Multiverse"
2 times "The Cinematic DC Multiverse"
and 1 time "DC's Live Action Multiverse"
We can call it "The Cinematic DC Multiverse" and then make a subtitle/sublink to them, like when you wrote Arrowverse or DCEU on VSBW Search section, you went to "The Cinematic DC Multiverse" page
First Source
Second Source
Third Source
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I think that's a good idea. I'll start working on a the page for this.
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I created a sandbox. If there is anything you want to add or edit, feel free to do so. Just let me know about the changes you have made here.
The sandbox is here.
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The sandbox is here.
ByArrow/TheCinematicDCMultiverse
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I added a calculation to T6I created a sandbox. If there is anything you want to add or edit, feel free to do so. Just let me know about the changes you have made here.
The sandbox is here.
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@Antvasima gonna need staff here the users trying to create a unified DC page combining multiple continuities, I've explained why we don't do this but will still need other staff to speak on it regardless
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Perhaps Dale is right, I don’t think we need to overcomplicate the cosmology
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Okay
Since they share the same cosmology, the cosmology will have the same complicate whether we make such a page or not.
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What is the problem here? Do people want to scale the DC comicbooks and the different iterations of movie and tv versions of the DC characters to each other? That obviously isn't workable due to conflicting cosmologies, continuities, and power levels.
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No
What we want is to create a verse page called "the Cinematic DC Multiverse" and list on this new page the verses that are in the same biggerverse, like the Arrowverse, the DCEU, etc., that are defined by DC as a whole verse.That obviously isn't workable due to conflicting cosmologies, continuities, and power levels.
And since these verses already work in the same cosmology and are defined by DC as a whole verse, and since we are already cross-scaling between many of them, we think it would be better.
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But they never mentioned that all of the depictions of DC comics in LA were in a same space. The Donnerverse and Smallville are already in the Arrowverse but the Burtonverse (which is quite old) has been incorporated in the DCEU, and no other production from the DCEU is mentioned here. We can't just smoosh them together when there are contradicting decisions as to who owns what.
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I didn’t understand what you mean.
The Burtonverse and the DCEU were already included in the Arrowverse.
I didn’t understand what you mean again.
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Trying to unify and make an overall combined verse page for the Arrowverse, DCEU, Burtonvers, and Smallville adding all of their characters and calcs into 1 verse pageWhat is the problem here? Do people want to scale the DC comicbooks and the different iterations of movie and tv versions of the DC characters to each other? That obviously isn't workable due to conflicting cosmologies, continuities, and power levels.
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Oh I didn’t know that!
What I’m saying is that there’s no real benefit in merging every character from these verses into a single one, since they’ve had almost no interaction with each other and it would make scaling a nightmare. Even if they exist within the same distant multiverse, it still makes more sense to keep separate groups for each verse.
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Okay. I suppose that may be reasonable, as long as you avoid unreasonable cross-scaling between different universe versions of the characters.
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my reasoning to be against is that it's combining different verses who have characters who never interact with each other even if you want to consider it a unified cosmology that are all on one verse page instead of already having their separate verse pages like we already haveOr are there good reasons for not doing so?
Like the MCU doesn't do this. It just acknowledges the other universe does exist (like Spiderverse or the Tobey Maguire films), and if a character appears in the MCU, then they can make it to the MCU verse page.What this is proposing is that no matter whether they appear or not in the arrowverse that they are entire verse will be listed on that verse page
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It will allow us to list them more accurately, and already DC accepts them all as one, as I have proposed to do.
No it wouldn’t.
They will already be listed as separat group on the verse page.
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Thank youOkay. I suppose that may be reasonable, as long as you avoid unreasonable cross-scaling between different universe versions of the characters.
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This was what was previously proposing. The current proposal is to create a new verse called “the Cinematic DC Multiverse” and place the DCEU, Burtonverse, Arrowverse, and others under this new verse. This is what DC has accepted to.
So the Arrowverse too will fall under this new verse. So not The other verses will fall under the Arrowverse. And this is not the same as the MCU's situation.
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Since there’d be are a gazillion versions of the same character if we unified every verse, we’d have evident cross-scaling issues. I’m aware Ant mentioned that, but what would even be the point of creating this megaverse if we have to contain our scaling to the different preexisting verses..
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Its exactly the same situation but the MCU doesn't go out of its way for all the other verses into one unified verse page they only note that other verses have been rolled into its cosmology
You don't just combine every calc and every character from X verse into the verse page if they themself never appear and have a feat in an arrowverse crossover, not how it works
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Yeah I remember that’s why Jean wasn’t added to the MCU
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We will unify not every verse, but only the verses that are shown.
How? Even if we didn't do this, we're already cross-scaling. Furthermore, if this will cause a problem, it will cause a problem whether we perform this unify or not, because even if we don't the unify, we are still doing cross-scaling.
Because we will list it more accurately, because DC accepts it this way. Because that's what it is, all these characters are part of the same verse. We are not creating a separate verse for the DCEU's Flashpoint, or for the Arrowverse's Flashpoint or Reverse Flashpoint, because these are part of the same verse and are listed on the same verse page.
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As I said, if we were to unify the other verse under the Arrowverse, it would be the same situation as the MCU. But we don't do that. We create a new verse directly. If we were to create a new verse called “the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse” and gather the verses from the multiverse under this verse, it would be the same as the current situation. That's why using the MCU as an example doesn't work because it's not exactly the same situation.
You're still saying Arrowverse. We've moved beyond the Arrowverse; we're talking about creating a new verse here.
