Culexus vs Novel Kars

[Wokistan]

As for the other questions:

• Ephrael Stern is a thing but she's more just her own personal outlier in general. Rebuking a Culexus assassin wasn't the weirdest thing she's done.

• I think they generally can't affect alpha plus psykers but that's dudes like emperor, Magnus, malcador, eldrad, so it's more just a feat flr them. They're so powerful they can't be classified properly on the scale, and with Magnus it was a group of many and he was still weakened, just not enough to stop him from slicing them up

 

[The_Smashor]

"Nemesis is a weird book"

All of JoJo's god tiers are from a weird book. Novel Kars is from a weird book. I would be a massive hypocrite if I complained here.

Personally, I think each individual type of Assassin of the Officio Assassinorum should have a seperate profile. Culexus could have a non-canon book key. We already have 1-B null and 8-C already can't handle it, what's a few more tiers up?

Why not have an 8-C with tier 0 Powernull? Sky's the limit when you don't give a sh-

 

[Wokistan]

Just like psykers culexuses operate on a scale but SBA means all culexuses are Omega minus I guess

Oh yeah just remembered part of the necron plan to defeat chaos is manufactured pariahs (what Culexus assassins are) alongside killing all life.

 

[PsychoWarper]

A few levels of infinty.

 

[Wokistan]

Nemesis also has things like Constantin Valdor being able to be in serious danger from a 9-Cish weapon because he had no shirt on and a daemon that was bound to a Culexus assassin. Nemesis being strange is why I haven't made the file for that specific assassin.

 

[The_Smashor]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Warhammer 40,000! Like the Suggsverse, but they actually tried with the story! I'm not venting, you're venting!

Seriously though, I refuse to beleive they made these characters this overpowered by mistake. They somehow knew about Versus Debating before it got popular.

 

[Wokistan]

They nullify magic and they really weren't kidding about it

You can still just be a robot and beat one to death if you catch it though

They have a niche that they absolutely demolish people in, and there's no reason to ever use them otherwise. Also blanks are one in a billion and most blanks can't be culexus so there can't be more than like 10k in a verse where armies number in the trillions

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There's also that time where Erebus tried to use a super Culexus to kill the emperor and it was apparently a legitimate thread (though I personally doubt that one and nemesis is a weird book)

Considering in more recent times, several dozen blanks were used in an attempt to stop demon Magnus, and he just kind of went "lol k" and murdered them with a big sword instead, while simultaneously fighting Guilliman, I think this is a fair doubt.

 

[The_Smashor]

By the way, while I have the Warhammer experts here, how strong is the average Warhammer character's null? (I.E. everyone but Kharn and the Culexus).

 

[PsychoWarper]

Comparing 40k to Suggs is dumb but eh.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

By the way, while I have the Warhammer experts here, how strong is the average Warhammer character's null? (I.E. everyone but Kharn and the Culexus).

Depends entirely on what you mean by the average character. A lot of characters have the power of "shutting down powers through sheer force of will due to the nature of the Warp", but for the vast majority of people, it's incredibly minor and/or luck based unless in a large enough group powered by strong enough belief.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Most characters in the verse dont even make it past like 8-C and are mostly haxless so... yeah.

If we are talking the average actual relevent character then id refer you to Azzy.

 

[The_Smashor]

The example I was thinking of was Ahzek Ahrima, beacuse I wanted to make a match with him but if his null is too good then it just won't work outright.

I compare the two in the way that they seem tailor made to be overpowered, although Warhammer has a much better story and has a purpose for existing other then having overpowered characters.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ahriman is like so totally not average its not even funny

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Ahzek Ahriman definitely isn't an average character.

 

[PsychoWarper]

He has legit 1-A Type 8 since Tzeen doesnt want him to die since Tzeen likes him Ahriman because Ahriman hates the squid ovo.

 

[The_Smashor]

Ah. So the Powernull should be the least of my concerns?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I know this is a joke but I feel I should point out that Ahriman being saved by Tzeentch isn't combat applicable. Kind of like when the Chaos Gods saved Abaddon by BFRing him.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Wasnt Ahriman able to Null Yncarne whos the Matrium form of a 1-A (Though only one of his things are 1-A)?

 

[PsychoWarper]

I know this is a joke but I feel I should point out that Ahriman being saved by Tzeentch isn't combat applicable. Kind of like when the Chaos Gods saved Abaddon by BFRing him.

This will be ignored for memes

 

[The_Smashor]

You know what? I think I'll just use Typhus instead.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yncarne's materium form isn't 1-A. He's Tier 4. His powers are just extremely busted and Ahriman dumped him somewhere where it didn't seem like he could sustain his existence and the people trapped there couldn't see or act against him. Their powers still seemed to work (like when Yvraine resurrected those 1k Sons), just not against Ahriman.

 

[PsychoWarper]

I didnt say Yncarne is 1-A, I said he was the Matrium form of a 1-A in Ynnead.

 

[PsychoWarper]

You know what? I think I'll just use Typhus instead.

Typhus isnt a smurf afaik (Though I wouldnt be surprised if the Destroyer Hive was smurfy) but hes still pretty busted.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Sort of, yeah. He's like a mini embodiment of Ynnead that can use some of his powers, but I don't think it's as direct as something like the Emperor. I still need to read those Eldar novels.

 

[Wokistan]

Think the best thing the yncarne did was permakill greater daemons.

tbf that is still insane.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Typhus isnt a smurf afaik (Though I wouldnt be surprised if the Destroyer Hive was smurfy) but hes still pretty busted.

Typhus has one potentially busted thing and that's the fact that his space AIDs scythe was dipped in Nurgle's own personal diseases at the heart of his domain. Other than that he's just a rather powerful but very specialized psyker. So he's not terribly hard to make fights for in comparison to some other guys.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Think the best thing the yncarne did was permakill greater daemons.
tbf that is still insane.

The feat of parting the Warp is in all honesty likely better, but yeah the daemon thing is probably a better display of an actual power.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Sort of, yeah. He's like a mini embodiment of Ynnead that can use some of his powers, but I don't think it's as direct as something like the Emperor. I still need to read those Eldar novels.

This is heresy ovo

Anyway we've gone off topic and should get back to the match at hand.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Typhus isnt a smurf afaik (Though I wouldnt be surprised if the Destroyer Hive was smurfy) but hes still pretty busted.

Typhus has one potentially busted thing and that's the fact that his space AIDs scythe was dipped in Nurgle's own personal diseases at the heart of his domain. Other than that he's just a rather powerful but very specialized psyker. So he's not terribly hard to make fights for in comparison to some other guys.

He has the Destroyer Hive that overwhemed the Damon Primarch Mort iirc.

 

[Livinmeme]

necro know kars stomp

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He doesnt...

 

[Livinmeme]

yes know only can null magic warp and pshyco powers

 

[Livinmeme]

also kharn

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No downgrade happened. Literally none

 

[Livinmeme]

well you argue with him i dont know nothing about warhamer well yes but is very limited

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Know nothing about warhammer

Then stop spreading misinformation in multiple threads...

 

[Livinmeme]

i know but is the basic so sorry im misunderstood

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'm actually gonna jump in on Livin, he brings up something I've meant to talk about for a while. While I think the extent to which he goes, but he is right that it would only work on things that would equalize to the warp. Anything that would equalize to something more akin to the C'tan, who have plenty of hax in their own right, wouldn't have their abilities nullified by blanks like Culexus.

This isn't a downgrade, it's a misinterpretation of what equals to what in verse equalization

 

[Livinmeme]

so i was rigth?