Cthulhi surviving the Sinking of R'lyeh

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

So uh yeah stuff. Have this blog https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Saikou_The_Lewd_King/R'lyeh_Sinking

I'm mainly looking to see if my numbers used are correct. Basically..

Calc 1: 1 Second timeframe, Everest Weight. 6-B

Calc 2: 1 Second timeframe, Scaled Everest Weight. 6-B

Calc 3: 1 Second timeframe, Ythogtha Weight. 6-A

Calc 4: FTE timeframe, Ythogtha Weight, Low 5-B

Calc 5: FTE timeframe using Ythogtha's Height, Ythogtha Weight, 5-A

I personally believes Calc 3 is the most accurate one. If it's accepted, it scales to everyone who were previously 8-C to 8-A, Cthulhu himself, Dagon and likely Ythogtha.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

So should any upgrade happen, it scales to

• the Cthulhi (obviously)

• Shoggoths (specifically made to be capable of fighting the Cthulhi)

• Elder Things with tech (made tech to fight the Cthulhi)

• The Great Race of Yith with tech

• Flying Polyps

• Mi-go with tech

• Dagon

?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well also Cthulhu himself but he is obviously far above said feat so it probably won't need to be added. As I said it's the exact same thing as Cthulhi's previous 8-C to 8-A feat in term of scaling, except Ythogtha and Dagon are affected as said feat is above their current stats, and due to their status they are much above simple races like those.

 

[LordXcano]

1. R'lyeh is obviously nowhere near the size of Everest. Even by your own word it would have to fit within a 4 km deep ocean. That's half the height of Everest.

2. 1 second is not a low end. A minute or 30 seconds is.

3. It is literally impossible for R'lyeh to have sunk 2000 km, that is literally 1/3rd of the Earth's radius.

4. You are scaling R'lyeh's dimensions to Cthulhu. R'lyeh has impossible geometry, it does not need to be Cthulhu's height to contain him.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

1. R'lyeh is obviously nowhere near the size of Everest. Even by your own word it would have to fit within a 4 km deep ocean. That's half the height of Everest.

Isn't the (deepest portion of the) ocean closer to 11km? That said, I don't remember where exactly R'lyeh was supposed to be located, I'd have to check, again.

Edit: According to the coordinates given by Lovecraft, R'lyeh sank right near Point Nemo. No idea how deep Point Nemo is, though.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

1. 4km is using the average depth here, not a definitie depth.

2. But 30 seconds or a Minute is way enough for them to get out of the city, or at least react. Both time where it sank, all things still inside were unable to escape, they were trapped by the sinking.

3. Exactly why I'm not using that ultra high end seriously.

4. But the building Cthulhu is in is literally bigger than him, and the city itself is bigger. There is nothing hinting that it is bigger on the inside or anything helping countain something big.

 

[LordXcano]

1. But you still used it

2. 30 seconds to a minute is not enough time to escape a city in any way

4. Statement for this?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

1. Do you think I should use any diferent number then?

2. It certainly is enough for beings capable of FTL flight to avoid sinking with their city.

4. I don't exactly have a statement for this, but if R'lyeh was somewhat warped to be able to countain things bigger than it, then sure as heck it would have been stated somewhere. Knowing Lovecraft at least a whole Paragraph would be dedicated to describing it. All cases of R'lyeh having impossible geometry have only been showcased on a small scale, not on the city as a whole. Said city also has been repeadtly stated to be huge and shit. At this point I think saying that R'lyeh can only hold Cthulhu via reality warping seems like mere speculation.

 

[LordXcano]

1. I'm saying the city should be logically smaller than the ocean depth you used. Cthulhu could've been on his back while in R'lyeh.

2. In that case you would assume the timeframe is 1 nanosecond or less. Also, acceleration is a thing. We don't know how long it takes for them to reach FTL speed and much less that same speed in water.

4. Okay, but my point about Cthulhu logically not standing up while in the city still stands. He's contained in it and once he stands up his head is above the waves. This indicates that at one point he was laying down or else he would've been visible and uncontained from the very start.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

1. Even if Cthulhu was laying down, the city should still be larger than he is high.

2. Pretty sure doing so would be calc stacking. Using timeframe from characters' reactions.

Also, when the city first sunk it was on an island not water. It would have been pretty easy to avoid sinking with it if it sunk slowly.

4. My point also still stands. The city should still be bigger than Cthulhu is tall.

 

[Eldritch_abomination]

the city's size should not be scaled to Cthulhu, since Cthulhu can change it's size at will...

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

All the times when his size was described was when he was in the city doe.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

So has anyone found Point Nemo's depth or?...

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_of_inaccessibility

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Not that I see. The only data about it I found are its distance to the main land and random Cthulhu refereces. Although one could guess Lovecraft wasn't exactly knowledgable about this kind of stuff.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"This Oceanic Point of Inaccessibility was famously used by H. P. Lovecraft as R'lyeh, the earthly home of Cthulhu."

See. Goddamn Mythos references.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

http://gcaptain.com/maritime-monday-may-2-2016/

"What you're looking at here is a jellyfish filmed just a few days ago by the 2016 Deepwater Exploration of the Marianas expedition at a depth of 3700 meters (or 2.3 miles) under water."

Closest I could get.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well yeah but that's the place known to be the deepest place in the ocean so I doubt it's useable here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But the Oceanic Point of Inacessibility is in the Marianas.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Nah, the point we are discussing here is the Point of Nemo, which is the point the furthest away from all lands on the surface of the globe. It's in the Pacific Ocean, near Sout America. The Marians are below Japan, not far from Australia.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

But the Oceanic Point of Inacessibility is in the Marianas.

So approximately 11km?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Nah, the point we are discussing here is the Point of Nemo, which is the point the furthest away from all lands on the surface of the globe. It's in the Pacific Ocean, near Sout America. The Marians are below Japan, not far from Australia.

Regardless, the article is about an expedition around the Point of Nemo, and they give the 3.2 Miles depth for the place.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

So slighty higher than my own assumption but still below Mount Everest. Only way this would work is, as Lord pointed out is that R'lyeh is only comparable to Everest in length, not height. I don't think this would change the result too much as the whole point was that R'lyeh was likely much bigger than the height of Mt. Everest. So using the Mountain's weight wouldn't be too far-fetched. R'lyeh was on an island too so it's not just the buildings. I will probably re-calc using 3.2 miles doe.

 

[LordXcano]

Mount Everest's weight is way higher than what you'd get by a city with Mount Everest's lenght IIRC. After all, the destruction of Mount Everest is what we use as the baseline for Island Level, so I think it'd have to have a little more mass than a city.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

(Sorry for very long answer) Well like I said, the fact is that R'lyeh is still much bigger than Everest is. And R'lyeh is actually on an island (So the island must have sank with it).

So yeah Monster more or less as big as mountains higher than mount everest living in a building large enough to countain it. Said building is in a city much bigger than it, and the city is supported by the island on it. And an island should have more or less the same density as a mountain. I guess.